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Old 29th Feb 2024, 20:22
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Originally Posted by sycamore
#7393 .Possibly a Wyvern,looking at the prop-disc seems contraprops,or even a Gannet..
It’s a Firefly! It looks like a Firefly, it’s Firefly shaped, and it makes sense as there were large numbers of surplus Fireflys around.

It does not look like a Wyvern or a Gannet, it’s not Wyvern or Gannet shaped, and there were no surplus Wyverns or Gannets.

It’s a Firefly.

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Originally Posted by pr00ne
It’s a Firefly! It looks like a Firefly, it’s Firefly shaped, and it makes sense as there were large numbers of surplus Fireflys around.

It does not look like a Wyvern or a Gannet, it’s not Wyvern or Gannet shaped, and there were no surplus Wyverns or Gannets.

It’s a Firefly.
Nope. Although something with a contra-prop is a no-brainer for an unmanned (presumably!) launch to mitigate slipsteam effects, its not a Firefly or Wyvern, as 4 Hispano bulges are visible on the unfolding part of the wing. Only one other British naval-fighter had a contraprop.

Its a Seafire 47.
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Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz
Nope. Although something with a contra-prop is a no-brainer for an unmanned (presumably!) launch to mitigate slipsteam effects, its not a Firefly or Wyvern, as 4 Hispano bulges are visible on the unfolding part of the wing. Only one other British naval-fighter had a contraprop.

Its a Seafire 47.
Zooming in it does look like a Spitfire although I disagree about the contra prop thing excluding a Firefly. I have seen Firefly's being launched off carriers to test the catapult. On this occasion though it looks more Spitfire than Firefly.
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It was the complexity of the wingfold that dissuaded me from Firefly. Subject test-vehicle clearly has a simple chordwise hinge, and demonstrates a modicum of T/E flap. Most, if not all, the Firefly's flap is on the lifting/twisting hinged section. Although most Spit/Seafires only had 2-position flaps, later marks introduced a TAKEOFF selection.
(I read that FAA pilots of early Seafire marks, when embarked, would select full flap, then flaps up whilst an air-mechanic inserted wooden wedges to jam the flaps at around 10 deg for takeoff. Once airborne, flaps momentarily to FULL, then UP and the wedges fell out!).
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Ceegar for Duncan

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Duncan has it - Seafire 47 -

HMS Perseus - (Captain HA Traill CBE) Steam Catapult trials 1951 from Rosyth, off May Is. -
sea trials of the prototype BXS.1 slotted-tube steam catapult - the brainchild of Commander Colin C Mitchell RNVR. - It required 20 minutes between launches.
https://www.royalnavyresearcharchive...ps/PERSEUS.htm

Later, Perseus went to Norfolk VA for further trials - including jet aircraft.
At one stage alongside, borrowing steam from USS Eugene A Greene DD711 to prove compatibility with USN high pressure systems.

The IWM has a movie compilation showing the progress of trials with the steam catapult from deadloads (alongside) to live (piloted) launchings of many RN and USN aircraft - listed in the description - which later on, omits to mention the move to the USA. .


"HMS Perseus, lying alongside in the basin of Rosyth Dockyard, fires floating deadloads to test the steam catapult, which has been installed as a low superstructure on the forward end of the flightdeck. This is followed by sea trials off May Island with a series of Seafire F.47s (bearing Triumph's letter code) with their wing tips removed at the folding point - they are launched with engines running, and despite their mutilation the first aircraft fly quite successfully - one is still climbing as the camera cuts away, and flew on until its 20-gallon fuel load was exhausted. The last two aircraft have tailplanes damaged with an axe and a single 'flap' lowered, but one still manages manage to fly some distance. A series of piloted launchings follow using Firefly Mk 5/6s and Grumman Avengers, some bearing RNAS Ford markings. ..."
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https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1060023478

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Sorry, I meant to say it was a Seafire! I should have said I've also seen a photo of a Sea hornet
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Sad news, Aircraft carrier C551 'Giuseppe Garibaldi' from the 1st of October 2024, will be taken out of service to be disarmed.


any news of a repalcement?
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Sad news, Aircraft carrier C551 'Giuseppe Garibaldi' from the 1st of October 2024, will be taken out of service to be disarmed.


any news of a repalcement?
Trieste is about to join the fleet having finished, or about to finish its sea trials, that's why Garibaldi is being withdrawn from service.
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HMS St Albans off the wall at Devonport today and starting sea trials following the longest Type 23 frigate LIFEX refit yet (approx 58 months).

https://www.navylookout.com/end-in-s...fex-programme/

Despite being the youngest of the frigates, HMS St Albans has endured the longest time in LIFEX. The work involved 1.2 million man-hours including some 350 structural enhancements, PGMU and the complete removal of her two electric propulsion motors for a major overhaul…..

Originally it was intended that 11 of the 13 ships would receive the Power Generation Machinery Upgrade (PGMU) but only HMS Richmond, St Albans and Sutherland will benefit from this. Essentially the upgrade involves replacing the four diesel generator sets with modern equivalents to provide much greater fuel efficiency and performance, especially in hotter climates. (
More technical details here)”
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This short clip of Pathé newsreel (with usual aren't we wonderful tone commentary) includes two launches of partial airframes with Theseus's P deck letter code, so assumably is some of the same footage currently unavailable on the IWM website.

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"HMS St Albans off the wall at Devonport today and starting sea trials following the longest Type 23 frigate LIFEX refit yet (approx 58 months)."

WW2 was only about 69 months...................

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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"HMS St Albans off the wall at Devonport today and starting sea trials following the longest Type 23 frigate LIFEX refit yet (approx 58 months)."

WW2 was only about 69 months...................
One was a war of national survival, one was a refit constrained by budget and extended by COVID. What's your point?
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You think nearly 5 years in refit is accepteable ? Whatever the excuse?
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You think nearly 5 years in refit is accepteable ? Whatever the excuse?
Not particularly. But that's got nothing to do with WW2.

Much like the build time for T26 it's got more to do with industrial constraints than anything else.
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very very interesting..................... 7 months and pushing all the way.
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​​​​​​​Lockheed Martin has been awarded a 109 million USD contract to support the integration of TRIDENT IID5 and re-entry subsystems into the Common Missile Compartment for the new DREADNOUGHT (UK) and COLUMBIA (US) SSBNs. Work is expected to be complete by end Feb 2029.
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QE has just left Portsmouth for Rosyth for her repairs. In the light of the length of time taken for the repairs to PoW, although presumably QEs will be less complex, I am still unclear how this will mesh with her planned refit. PoW was scheduled to take over as Fleet Flagship towards the end of this yrear.
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Presumably just civil use whilst the RN use the deep port at Mare Harbour.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/harl...-port-project/

Harland & Wolff preferred bidder on Falklands port project

Harland & Wolff has announced that it has been awarded preferred bidder status for the Falkland Islands Port Replacement Project (FIPASS).

The project will involve the construction, transportation and installation of four floating pontoons of circa 90 metres each in length.

The project is expected to generate between £100m and £120m revenue over a two-year period commencing in FY24.

The company will use it expansive facilities across the UK to provide optionality and de-risk the fabrication of these pontoons.


https://www.harland-wolff.com/news/d...ility-project/
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https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-o...sile-upgrades/

UK outlines when Destroyers will get missile upgrades

The Ministry of Defence is to spend £405 million to upgrade the Sea Viper missile system recently used by the Royal Navy to down drones over the Red Sea.
Initial Operating Capability for the upgrades is scheduled for February 2028.

The information came to light in response to a Written Parliamentary Question. Kevan Jones, MP for North Durham, asked:

“To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, when he plans the upgrade to Type 45’s Sea Viper Air Defence system to deliver Ballistic Missile Defence Capability will achieve initial operating capability.”

James Cartlidge, The Minister of State, Ministry of Defence, responded:

“Sea Viper Evolution is the first stage of UK Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) with enhancements to the Type 45 Destroyer’s Multi-Function Radar, Combat Management System (CMS), Weapon Command and Control (C2), and the ASTER 30 Block 1 missile. Initial Operating Capability (IOC) is scheduled for February 2028, and the UK is currently in an Assessment Phase for future capability upgrades.”…….
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