Future Carrier (Including Costs)
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Puts BAe and UK ship building rates in perspective…
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...-just-5-years/
Japan To Procure 12 New FFM In Just 5 Years
The Japanese Ministry of Defense (MoD) will acquire a total of 12 new FFMs that will succeed the Mogami-class FFM for the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) in coming five years, a spokesperson at the Japanese Acquisition, Technology & Logistics Agency (ATLA) revealed to Naval News on November 2.
The Mogami class, which has a standard displacement of 3900 tons with a full load displacement of about 5500 tons, is currently being built at a high pace of two ships per year both at shipbuilder Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI)’ facility in Nagasaki City on the island of Kyushu and its subsidiary Maritime Systems’ facility in Tamano City of Okayama Prefecture.
The JMSDF had originally planned to build a total of 22 Mogami-class frigates as Tokyo ramps up efforts to strengthen the country’s naval forces. However, it has decided to now procure a total of only 12 such frigates until the current fiscal year (FY) 2023, with plans to construct a new class of 12 warships from 2024 until 2028. The new frigates will essentially be improved Mogami-class ships that are set to be built to the design proposed by MHI.…
Despite the fact the new class will be bigger than Mogami-class, defense officials said the new class’s crew complement will be only 90, the same as that of the Mogami-class. To achieve this, Japanese naval planners have likely incorporated the new class with a higher level of automation and deployed extensive lean-manning concepts throughout the vessel.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...-just-5-years/
Japan To Procure 12 New FFM In Just 5 Years
The Japanese Ministry of Defense (MoD) will acquire a total of 12 new FFMs that will succeed the Mogami-class FFM for the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) in coming five years, a spokesperson at the Japanese Acquisition, Technology & Logistics Agency (ATLA) revealed to Naval News on November 2.
The Mogami class, which has a standard displacement of 3900 tons with a full load displacement of about 5500 tons, is currently being built at a high pace of two ships per year both at shipbuilder Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI)’ facility in Nagasaki City on the island of Kyushu and its subsidiary Maritime Systems’ facility in Tamano City of Okayama Prefecture.
The JMSDF had originally planned to build a total of 22 Mogami-class frigates as Tokyo ramps up efforts to strengthen the country’s naval forces. However, it has decided to now procure a total of only 12 such frigates until the current fiscal year (FY) 2023, with plans to construct a new class of 12 warships from 2024 until 2028. The new frigates will essentially be improved Mogami-class ships that are set to be built to the design proposed by MHI.…
Despite the fact the new class will be bigger than Mogami-class, defense officials said the new class’s crew complement will be only 90, the same as that of the Mogami-class. To achieve this, Japanese naval planners have likely incorporated the new class with a higher level of automation and deployed extensive lean-manning concepts throughout the vessel.
How "lean" can you get for a ship that can expect to be engaged in combat at some time during its service and suffer casualties in systems and crew?
How do you build in sufficient redundancy in people to continue to fight the ship and deal with damage control issues resulting from combat damage?
How do you build in sufficient redundancy in people to continue to fight the ship and deal with damage control issues resulting from combat damage?
"However, it has decided to now procure a total of only 12 such frigates until the current fiscal year (FY) 2023, with plans to construct a new class of 12 warships from 2024 until 2028. The new frigates will essentially be improved Mogami-class ships that are set to be built to the design proposed by MHI.…"
makes the UK's build rate look really pathetic - but then the Japanese have always prefered steady production with upgrades to each class rather than a complete redesign
makes the UK's build rate look really pathetic - but then the Japanese have always prefered steady production with upgrades to each class rather than a complete redesign
They are currently building 2 mogami a year atm, so they going from 2 * 3900 standard tons to 2 * 4880 standard ton ship. They other thing they dismissed the rumored 2 more maya class ships
The JMSDF has over 40 destroyers and frigates in service.................. as opposed to less than 20 in the RN
As opposed to an Atlantic power, with no such equivalent threat.
It's a bit like saying Poland have hundreds of tanks and the British army only plans on 127.
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Which one might surmise has something to do with them being a Pacific nation with an aggressive and increasingly well armed neighbour close by,.
As opposed to an Atlantic power, with no such equivalent threat.
It's a bit like saying Poland have hundreds of tanks and the British army only plans on 127.
As opposed to an Atlantic power, with no such equivalent threat.
It's a bit like saying Poland have hundreds of tanks and the British army only plans on 127.
However the constitutional limits on Japanese forces since the Second World War have prevented the Japanese Maritime Self Defence Force (not officially a navy - all down to the constitution they accepted when under American occupation) from acquiring 'offensive' things such as aircraft carriers or amphibious forces, so they need lots of frigates and destroyers to make up for the shortfall in firepower and to provide things such as large numbers of ASW helicopters.
Britain and NATO have long viewed carriers as being key to protecting Sea Lines of Communication - either across the Atlantic or within European waters, something A56 forgets.
Which one might surmise has something to do with them being a Pacific nation with an aggressive and increasingly well armed neighbour close by,.
As opposed to an Atlantic power, with no such equivalent threat.
It's a bit like saying Poland have hundreds of tanks and the British army only plans on 127.
As opposed to an Atlantic power, with no such equivalent threat.
It's a bit like saying Poland have hundreds of tanks and the British army only plans on 127.
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Royal Navy is looking to add not 1 but 2 floating docks to enhance fleet time maintenance for submarine fleet, since nuclear-certified dry docks in Devonport are oversubscribed. The floating docks will be based in Faslane. Been a while since Royal Navy last used floating docks.
The first whisper heard of this outside the MOD's corridors was a fleeting mention in the NAO examination of the Equipment Programme 2022, saying that decisions had to be taken on how to allocate Central funding for projects such as extra A400Ms and an "additional floating dock".
This "Additional Fleet Time Docking Capability (AFTDC) Programme" ought to be a central component in the extra money allocated to "Nuclear" and related infrastructure in the Defence Command Paper refresh. It adds to the work in Devonport to prepare No 10 dock for nuclear work.
The first whisper heard of this outside the MOD's corridors was a fleeting mention in the NAO examination of the Equipment Programme 2022, saying that decisions had to be taken on how to allocate Central funding for projects such as extra A400Ms and an "additional floating dock".
This "Additional Fleet Time Docking Capability (AFTDC) Programme" ought to be a central component in the extra money allocated to "Nuclear" and related infrastructure in the Defence Command Paper refresh. It adds to the work in Devonport to prepare No 10 dock for nuclear work.
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"D" Lock West in Portsmouth is to be replaced with a new sliding/rolling caisson, with the existing one removed and disposed of.
This, in other cases, wouldn't have my ears perked, BUT D lock is the one area that years ago was identified for forconversion to a QE-class capable dry dock.
I think a QE class dry dock idea has had to be abandoned as far back as 2018 and replacing caisson in itself will not make D lock capable to take a QE. Needs widening.
Even so, I am curious to see if the new caisson, by any chance, is moved forwards. Would keep the option alive for the future.
This, in other cases, wouldn't have my ears perked, BUT D lock is the one area that years ago was identified for forconversion to a QE-class capable dry dock.
I think a QE class dry dock idea has had to be abandoned as far back as 2018 and replacing caisson in itself will not make D lock capable to take a QE. Needs widening.
Even so, I am curious to see if the new caisson, by any chance, is moved forwards. Would keep the option alive for the future.
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Royal Navy is looking to add not 1 but 2 floating docks to enhance fleet time maintenance for submarine fleet, since nuclear-certified dry docks in Devonport are oversubscribed. The floating docks will be based in Faslane. Been a while since Royal Navy last used floating docks.
The first whisper heard of this outside the MOD's corridors was a fleeting mention in the NAO examination of the Equipment Programme 2022, saying that decisions had to be taken on how to allocate Central funding for projects such as extra A400Ms and an "additional floating dock".
This "Additional Fleet Time Docking Capability (AFTDC) Programme" ought to be a central component in the extra money allocated to "Nuclear" and related infrastructure in the Defence Command Paper refresh. It adds to the work in Devonport to prepare No 10 dock for nuclear work.
The first whisper heard of this outside the MOD's corridors was a fleeting mention in the NAO examination of the Equipment Programme 2022, saying that decisions had to be taken on how to allocate Central funding for projects such as extra A400Ms and an "additional floating dock".
This "Additional Fleet Time Docking Capability (AFTDC) Programme" ought to be a central component in the extra money allocated to "Nuclear" and related infrastructure in the Defence Command Paper refresh. It adds to the work in Devonport to prepare No 10 dock for nuclear work.
The provision of floating docks would be a wise provision if Scotland becomes independent and nuclear free.
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At 2200 GMT tonight BBC Four will start showing Chris Terill's 1995 documentary HMS Brilliant, about the frigate of the same name taking part in NATO operations in the Adriatic as a brutal conflict raged in Bosnia. The first episode was filmed during a period of operating in the high threat area just off the coast, and includes an air defence exercise with Sea Harriers from HMS Invincible. Although the carrier deployments were maiinly in support of forces ashore, they also had a role providing defence for upthreat naval units.
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