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Old 5th Jul 2023, 18:11
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Is it on its way to Rosyth?
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HMS Prince of Wales due to leave Rosyth

Also reported by UKDefence Journal https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-...sea-this-week/

Conclusions can easily be drawn from the NtM.

FORTH PORTS LIMITED

NtM No 60 of 2023 18 th July 2023

NOTICE TO MARINERS
FIRTH OF FORTH

Large Vessel Movement – Firth of Forth

Ref Chart 728

Mariners are advised that a large vessel is due from Babcock non-tidal basin to R1 anchorage.

The vessel will sail from Babcock, transit the Rosyth channel and onward to R1 anchorage on the 19th July 2023. It will then remain at anchor for a period of approximately 3 to 4 days before passing under the bridges and sailing to sea.

The vessel will also be assisted by multiple tugs during transits, as well as standing by at anchor.

The vessel will be escorted by military and police craft which will maintain an exclusion zone around the operation of 200m during transit and at anchor. The exclusion zone of 200m will be in place at all times with the police craft in attendance at all times.

All vessels should keep well clear of the operation during transit and while the vessel is at anchor.

Police and military craft will exhibit 3 vertical green lights during the hours of darkness.
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HMS Prince of Wales has left Rosyth dockyard and is waiting for the right conditions to pass under the Forth bridges.
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Putting naval repairs into perspective…

​​​​​​​Interesting if unsurprising. German F124-frigate Sachsen, which suffered VLS launch failure in 2018, had to wait five years for installation of new VLS segment. Two years delivery time incl paperwork, then three years because ship was needed for deployment.
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From Friday (4 August):HMS Prince of Wales returns to Portsmouth primed for front-line duties - Royal Navy

Britain’s biggest warship is all systems go – and primed for front-line duties – as she returns home to Portsmouth today.

HMS Prince of Wales has spent the last ten days ramping up for an autumn deployment, which will see the ship operate a multitude of aircraft and drones off the east coast of the United States, pushing the boundaries of carrier operations.

The 65,000-tonne behemoth made ‘calm seas rage’ on a series of trials, putting her upgrades through their paces and ensuring all her state-of-the-art systems were ready for full action.

It was then onto the carrier’s main line of work as the flight deck reopened for business, with Chinook and Merlin helicopters appearing on board during a busy schedule of day and night flying.

HMS Prince of Wales also worked with F-35B Lightning aircraft – the fifth-generation stealth jet the ship was designed around – and Typhoon fighters on air defence training.

It means both the Royal Navy’s aircraft carriers are now ready for deployments this autumn.

Fleet flagship HMS Queen Elizabeth completed a period of sea training in June and flying operations with F-35B jets from 617 Squadron and Wildcat and Merlin helicopters across July, readying her for operations in the coming months...


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"The 65,000-tonne behemoth made ‘calm seas rage’ on a series of trials,"

Who writes this stuff???
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Artificial intelligence?
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Old 7th Aug 2023, 08:27
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"The 65,000-tonne behemoth made ‘calm seas rage’ on a series of trials,"

Who writes this stuff???
and which VSO signed it off?
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"Which VSO signed it off?" - maybe a dentist?
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Old 7th Aug 2023, 10:58
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Looks like the USMC will be visiting at some point this year:

This year we will be operating F-35s, V-22 Ospreys, drones and the RN Merlin helicopters – pushing the boundaries of naval aviation and UK Carrier Strike capability as we progress towards a global deployment in 2025.
(...)Once the ship has completed her propulsion trials, she will bring her flight deck back to life before returning to Portsmouth to prepare for her autumn deployment to the USA.
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Old 7th Aug 2023, 12:21
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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
Looks like the USMC will be visiting at some point this year:
Not necessarily. I understand the cruise is partly to resume SRVL trials using newly installed equipment, and that is done using RAF/RN pilots and aircraft.
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Not necessarily. I understand the cruise is partly to resume SRVL trials using newly installed equipment, and that is done using RAF/RN pilots and aircraft.
I think SLXO was referring to the Ospreys. Might be doing some SHOL trials.
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It was indeed the Ospreys, though as she is going to be in US waters maybe some more mixed F-35 activity wouldn't go amiss given it is the operating model for the foreseeable future.
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Old 7th Aug 2023, 15:16
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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
It was indeed the Ospreys, though as she is going to be in US waters maybe some more mixed F-35 activity wouldn't go amiss given it is the operating model for the foreseeable future.
Assuming that SRVL eventually becomes the normal QE Class landing technique for RAF/RN F-35B pilots, I wonder if USMC pilots will adopt the same technique, or stick to their usual vertical landings.
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This year we will be operating F-35s, V-22 Ospreys, drones and the RN Merlin helicopters – pushing the boundaries of " UK " naval aviation and UK Carrier Strike capability as we progress towards a global deployment in 2025.
My bolding.....as the US Navy has been doing all of that for sometime assuming you substitute CH-53's , Seahawks, and CH-47's for the Merlin Helicopters.

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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
Assuming that SRVL eventually becomes the normal QE Class landing technique for RAF/RN F-35B pilots, I wonder if USMC pilots will adopt the same technique, or stick to their usual vertical landings.
Not sure an assumption can be made at this early stage of the actual SRVL trials with the proper Bedford Array. VLs are said to be 'as easy as' when an SRVL not required so I would assume a VL is the usual recovery method. Do you wonder if the USMC F-35Bs will SRVL on their flat decks? I would guess they will carry them out (when certified) when embarked on the QE Class flat decks. I would have thought this aspect of USMC SRVLs on their USN LHA/LHDs would have been discussed here already? The USMC flat decks are narrow with rolling decks an issue (as I have been told). Years ago the USMC were interested but then NOTHING since.
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I believe that I was the first person ever to carry out a SRVL, on 1st May 1982. It was not because I was too heavy to hover - more that I was too light due to a part of my tail having been blown away by a 20mm HE.

A man ahead of my time🙂

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Originally Posted by SLXOwft
Looks like the USMC will be visiting at some point this year:
Could be the USN CMV-22 (The fat COD one) - IIRC it was designed to transport an F-35 engine.
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A few years back they seemed to be demonstrating th CV-22 around and about the London area - I always presumed that eventually the UK would buy/lease/rent a couple for COD
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Old 8th Aug 2023, 17:32
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Originally Posted by Davef68
Could be the USN CMV-22 (The fat COD one) - IIRC it was designed to transport an F-35 engine.
I think you might have that backwards - the F-35 engine package was designed to fit (and be transported by) an CMV-22.
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