Future Carrier (Including Costs)
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RVL does indeed sound alarming. Can anything be done to improve it - arrestor wires parhaps? Lower speeds (compared to F35C) = easier and cheaper to arrest.
Edited on 11/2/07 to add the following:
1. An aircraft landing at 40 knots will have a lot less kinetic energy than one landing at 120 knots - a ninth to be exact.
2. The control system developed by Qinetiq should be able to place the landing aircraft in a fairly exact part of the deck.
3. A single wire, perhaps two, could be used to arrest the landing aircraft. Due to the lower speeds the wires and associated equipment would not need to be so heavy duty.
4. MacTaggart Scott would be glad of the work, which could be exported to other shipborne F35B operators.
LO
Surely the whole point of V/STOL aircraft is that they can operate from austere locations? Isn't this why the USMC wanted the F35B?
RVL does indeed sound alarming. Can anything be done to improve it - arrestor wires parhaps? Lower speeds (compared to F35C) = easier and cheaper to arrest.
Edited on 11/2/07 to add the following:
1. An aircraft landing at 40 knots will have a lot less kinetic energy than one landing at 120 knots - a ninth to be exact.
2. The control system developed by Qinetiq should be able to place the landing aircraft in a fairly exact part of the deck.
3. A single wire, perhaps two, could be used to arrest the landing aircraft. Due to the lower speeds the wires and associated equipment would not need to be so heavy duty.
4. MacTaggart Scott would be glad of the work, which could be exported to other shipborne F35B operators.
LO
Surely the whole point of V/STOL aircraft is that they can operate from austere locations? Isn't this why the USMC wanted the F35B?
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Originally Posted by LowObservable
The Rafale should have decent performance as long as they can launch at their design max weight. If they can't do that off the CdG they have effbombed up somehow.
told you that ? 
WEBF - partly for austere, although I tend to agree with LO on the desirability of operating complex stealth a/c from an austere field, but they also want to get their a/c on their Amphibs. Suspect they don't really care whether its stealthy or not, just whether it'll get airborne off a STOVL run. JSF was the only game in town at the time, hence they got aboard that program. God knows why we did though.
As for RVL the limiter is not the arrestment, it's the ability to go-around if it all goes tits. If the engine is having to spool down and you're nowhere near flying speed, then you're basically knackered. You might be able to keep more thrust on with some form of arrester, but then it would have to be strong, in which case why not go the whole hog, buy Dave Charlie and be open to REAL fallback options, eg F18E or in extremis R****e (there - I've said it), not to mention real MASC and options for real COD/AAR.
As for RVL the limiter is not the arrestment, it's the ability to go-around if it all goes tits. If the engine is having to spool down and you're nowhere near flying speed, then you're basically knackered. You might be able to keep more thrust on with some form of arrester, but then it would have to be strong, in which case why not go the whole hog, buy Dave Charlie and be open to REAL fallback options, eg F18E or in extremis R****e (there - I've said it), not to mention real MASC and options for real COD/AAR.
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LO
Surely the whole point of V/STOL aircraft is that they can operate from austere locations? Isn't this why the USMC wanted the F35B?
Surely the whole point of V/STOL aircraft is that they can operate from austere locations? Isn't this why the USMC wanted the F35B?
If you really wanted a V/STOL aircraft to operate from austere locations it would not look like an F-35, and I don't expect them to do a lot of that.
Originally Posted by rduarte
Who fu told you that ?
told you that ? Frou Frou: How dare you, you filthy weaselle!
Solider: Weasel? Hah! You're one to talk, aristo-waat-heug!
Frou Four: Warthog? Hah!
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Jacko has his head up his ass. F-35B will come with wet pylons and external tanks. Takes ROA up to 600nm or so with internal payload.
F-22 has external tanks which can be jettisoned along with their pylons if needed.
For the record, UK Adm thingy said when Dave B was announced the winner, the factors were: cheaper carrier to buy & to run, available earlier, higher UK industrial content, more flexible deployment.
F-22 has external tanks which can be jettisoned along with their pylons if needed.
For the record, UK Adm thingy said when Dave B was announced the winner, the factors were: cheaper carrier to buy & to run, available earlier, higher UK industrial content, more flexible deployment.
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Ok morons if you want to spend a lot of £ on F-35 ,B or C Or F-18 E it is up to you.
I think, thanks, to your politicians, you won t get any carriers, for that i don t give a sh about you and you f country.
Neverless,do not forget about that :
You may have some surprise in a near futur.
I think, thanks, to your politicians, you won t get any carriers, for that i don t give a sh
about you and you f country.Neverless,do not forget about that :
You may have some surprise in a near futur.
Who was it who said:
". . . you know frankly, going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind!"
Wonderful place, France. Great food, superb wine, terrific scenery...
Only one problem (apart from their $hite cars, of course).......
Any guesses?
A la votre!!
". . . you know frankly, going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind!"
Wonderful place, France. Great food, superb wine, terrific scenery...
Only one problem (apart from their $hite cars, of course).......
Any guesses?
A la votre!!
Well we probably all guessed it wasn't a jet-des-grenouilles - because it's off to fly a war mission. So no real need for your explanation, petite-quequette!
Edmund: Vivre, indeed. Now, what I'm looking for, Mrs M, is a particular kind of frenchy -- namely, one who is transparently obsessed with Argentina but also short on brain cells......
Miggins: Ah, well, I've got just the fellow for you -- over there by the window: The Comte de Frou Frou.
[Shot of Frou Frou holding -- and looking oddly at -- a huge suspicious-looking sausage.]
Miggins: He's pretty down on his luck, and he's made that horse's willy last all morning.
Edmund: Oh, good. Baldrick, we have struck garlic!
Miggins: Ah, well, I've got just the fellow for you -- over there by the window: The Comte de Frou Frou.
[Shot of Frou Frou holding -- and looking oddly at -- a huge suspicious-looking sausage.]
Miggins: He's pretty down on his luck, and he's made that horse's willy last all morning.
Edmund: Oh, good. Baldrick, we have struck garlic!
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Pick a side and stick with it! Are you rooting for the Portuguese, the French or the Argentinians?
Oh, wait, sorry, you're French........I forgot, it's just what you do......
And for the A-4 and 25 de Mayo photos, do you not understand the irony in your posts? Who made the A-4s? Who built the 25dM? Who built your much beloved Exocets? Don't think "Made in Argentina" is stamped on any of it!
Oh, wait, sorry, you're French........I forgot, it's just what you do......
And for the A-4 and 25 de Mayo photos, do you not understand the irony in your posts? Who made the A-4s? Who built the 25dM? Who built your much beloved Exocets? Don't think "Made in Argentina" is stamped on any of it!
Rduarte, you appear to have confused this with the Aviation History and Nostalgia forum, I'm sure they'd love all these old pictures you're digging up. Otherwise your posts are like pencils without lead.
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You are very english, but never mind.
You need to buy the Rafale, it s better for France and Europe, not so good for the US,but excellent for the british tax payers.
You need to buy the Rafale, it s better for France and Europe, not so good for the US,but excellent for the british tax payers.