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I wouldn´t wind us up about the size of the French fleet if I was you. Just remember what happened the last time you got us worried.... Mers-el-Kebir 
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Let me say,France HAVE a CVN whith 40 aircrafts (dauphin,rafale,Sem,hawkey),GB has 2 CVS with no planes and i doubt if any day it ll get a CV (with or no planes 
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rduarte.
You are correct in saying you have better equipment and more than the Royal Navy. (but then who doesn't)
However, kit doesn't fight on it's own does it?
Somebody has to actually wield the weapon to make it fight.
The French military has, throughout history, often seemed strong on paper, but this has patently failed to translate into operational capability and results.
You have an entirely untested Military in recent times that has a very poor and extensive history of scuttling off when the Foie Gras runs out and the going gets tough.
This, of course, is why the people of the world, including you personally to some elementary degree, speak English and not French.
Stick to your cooking, striking and manipulation of the EC agricultural policy, and leave the fighting to those who are good at it.
(Can I add music as well please? Joe Le Taxi, sheesh!)
You are correct in saying you have better equipment and more than the Royal Navy. (but then who doesn't)
However, kit doesn't fight on it's own does it?
Somebody has to actually wield the weapon to make it fight.
The French military has, throughout history, often seemed strong on paper, but this has patently failed to translate into operational capability and results.
You have an entirely untested Military in recent times that has a very poor and extensive history of scuttling off when the Foie Gras runs out and the going gets tough.
This, of course, is why the people of the world, including you personally to some elementary degree, speak English and not French.
Stick to your cooking, striking and manipulation of the EC agricultural policy, and leave the fighting to those who are good at it.
(Can I add music as well please? Joe Le Taxi, sheesh!)
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Originally Posted by Tourist
This, of course, is why the people of the world, including you personally to some elementary degree, speak English and not French.
and the world speak english, is because the US and not the GB.
Morever, if the US did not got into the war, you ,Brits ll speak german.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Morever, if the US did not got into the war, you ,Brits ll speak german
So, Russian perhaps, but not German, and certainly not French......
If you do not open this door, we shall take this castle by
force!
In the name of God and the glory of our--
Right! That settles it!
Yes, this time and try any more or we fire arrows at the tops of your heads and make castanets out of your testicles already! Ha ha!
Walk away. Just ignore them........
force!
In the name of God and the glory of our--
Right! That settles it!
Yes, this time and try any more or we fire arrows at the tops of your heads and make castanets out of your testicles already! Ha ha!
Walk away. Just ignore them........
Stepping aside from the France vs GB willy waving contest for a second......
800 and 801 will still have the full allocation of aircraft they were originally planning on. The only change is that 801 will not be standing up on 1 Oct due to manpower problems.
Since when did this thread become about who's got the best Navy? It's always those with the biggest chips that shout the most
800 and 801 will still have the full allocation of aircraft they were originally planning on. The only change is that 801 will not be standing up on 1 Oct due to manpower problems.
Since when did this thread become about who's got the best Navy? It's always those with the biggest chips that shout the most
Perhaps it's time we looked at a few facts here.
1. In 1939, the French and British were the only two countries who fully realised the threat posed to Western civilisation by Germany. In all fairness it has to be said that Roosevelt, too, realised what was what, but it took the US public two years, a kick up the arse from Japan and the subsequent declaration of war by Germany on the USA to get the picture.
2. During the Battle of France in the summer of 1940, France lost 130,000 dead. To put that into perspective, this was more that the US lost from all causes (death, wounds, desertion etc.) during the whole Normandy campaign, or the 256,000 dead of Britain over the whole course of the war. The French leaders, out-generalled and with memories of the bloodbath of WW1 elected to save lives and retain control of at least some French territory by seeking an armistice.
It is perhaps salutary to remember that the French army was not the only one defeated by the (numerically inferior) Germans that summer. But one other army was able, by dint of abandoniong all its equipment, to scramble back across the Channel and defend their island by sea and air until it could be used as a springboard for the invasion and liberation of the Continent.
Free French forces fought with notable distinction at, for example, Bir Hakeim during the Alamein campaign, at Monte Cassino under General Juin (probably the most competent general of all during that campaign) and during the advance up France following the invasion of southern France under General Le Clerc.
3. The French fought with notable bravery (as is their wont) in Vietnam - e.g. at Dien Bien Phu - but let us remind ourselves that they were not the only major power to be ultimately defeated by a ragged-arsed peasant army there.
Knocking France is a pretty cheap way of getting laughs - and betrays a sad ignorance of history.
1. In 1939, the French and British were the only two countries who fully realised the threat posed to Western civilisation by Germany. In all fairness it has to be said that Roosevelt, too, realised what was what, but it took the US public two years, a kick up the arse from Japan and the subsequent declaration of war by Germany on the USA to get the picture.
2. During the Battle of France in the summer of 1940, France lost 130,000 dead. To put that into perspective, this was more that the US lost from all causes (death, wounds, desertion etc.) during the whole Normandy campaign, or the 256,000 dead of Britain over the whole course of the war. The French leaders, out-generalled and with memories of the bloodbath of WW1 elected to save lives and retain control of at least some French territory by seeking an armistice.
It is perhaps salutary to remember that the French army was not the only one defeated by the (numerically inferior) Germans that summer. But one other army was able, by dint of abandoniong all its equipment, to scramble back across the Channel and defend their island by sea and air until it could be used as a springboard for the invasion and liberation of the Continent.
Free French forces fought with notable distinction at, for example, Bir Hakeim during the Alamein campaign, at Monte Cassino under General Juin (probably the most competent general of all during that campaign) and during the advance up France following the invasion of southern France under General Le Clerc.
3. The French fought with notable bravery (as is their wont) in Vietnam - e.g. at Dien Bien Phu - but let us remind ourselves that they were not the only major power to be ultimately defeated by a ragged-arsed peasant army there.
Knocking France is a pretty cheap way of getting laughs - and betrays a sad ignorance of history.
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Blimey these frogs don't half get riled easily don't they, they'll be burning sheep next if they don't calm down.
Funny how they like to mention Dien Bien Phu as some kind of victory. Especialy as the French top brass in charge proved to be callous and pretty bloody awfull. And that a large portion of the combatants on the French side werent actually french (maybe thats why the troops on the ground lasted so long without giving up).
Just admit it Pierre...... when it comes to getting a bit punchy and dirty, you chaps would rather eat cheese and fraternize with the enemy.
Funny how they like to mention Dien Bien Phu as some kind of victory. Especialy as the French top brass in charge proved to be callous and pretty bloody awfull. And that a large portion of the combatants on the French side werent actually french (maybe thats why the troops on the ground lasted so long without giving up).
Just admit it Pierre...... when it comes to getting a bit punchy and dirty, you chaps would rather eat cheese and fraternize with the enemy.
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rduarte.
Why on earth would I learn another language?
Schiller.
So essentially what you are saying is that France considers the defence of the their own country not worth more than 130,000 deaths, whilst we consider the liberation of other peoples countries including France, worth at least 256,000 of our deaths.
So we are at least 2 1/2 times less war-shy than the French.
Thank you for clearing that up.
Why on earth would I learn another language?
Schiller.
So essentially what you are saying is that France considers the defence of the their own country not worth more than 130,000 deaths, whilst we consider the liberation of other peoples countries including France, worth at least 256,000 of our deaths.
So we are at least 2 1/2 times less war-shy than the French.
Thank you for clearing that up.
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Late Arm Live,
What makes you think 801 Sqn’s, or 800’s for that matter, manpower problems will a short lived thing. Surely the writing is on the wall that the fixed wing element of the Fleet Air Arm is too small to sustain itself.
Just a thought!
What makes you think 801 Sqn’s, or 800’s for that matter, manpower problems will a short lived thing. Surely the writing is on the wall that the fixed wing element of the Fleet Air Arm is too small to sustain itself.
Just a thought!
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@ Tourist
Why learn another language, just go to France or Germany ,or Spain,or.....
I believe the if the war was between Gb and Germany, Germany would win.
Same question with Russia, same answear, Germany would win.
Now between the US and Germany.......if Germany could bomber the US, as the US did with Germany I do not think the US would win.
Why learn another language, just go to France or Germany ,or Spain,or.....
I believe the if the war was between Gb and Germany, Germany would win.
Same question with Russia, same answear, Germany would win.
Now between the US and Germany.......if Germany could bomber the US, as the US did with Germany I do not think the US would win.
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Interesting discussion on Eurofighter and carriers here on the Guardian forum:
http://tinyurl.com/mkqgv
http://tinyurl.com/mkqgv
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
rduarte,
Now that´s the sort of muddled thinking that got Germany into trouble.....twice. Maybe you think it would be a case of third time lucky.
Now that´s the sort of muddled thinking that got Germany into trouble.....twice. Maybe you think it would be a case of third time lucky.
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rduarte.
"Why learn another language, just go to France or Germany ,or Spain,or....."
You make my point exactly. You all speak English (though some of your posts are stretching my point a tad), so why waste my precious grey cells learning your languages?
Incidentally, you say that the world speaks English because of the US.
But then you must ask yourself why the Yanks mangle the English language and not the French?
Because once again the French overestimated the efficacy of their military might, and we kicked your @rse.
"Why learn another language, just go to France or Germany ,or Spain,or....."
You make my point exactly. You all speak English (though some of your posts are stretching my point a tad), so why waste my precious grey cells learning your languages?
Incidentally, you say that the world speaks English because of the US.
But then you must ask yourself why the Yanks mangle the English language and not the French?
Because once again the French overestimated the efficacy of their military might, and we kicked your @rse.