Parliamentary Questions concerning Hercules Safety
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Des Browne has ultimate responsibility. CAS needs to justify his words and guarantees to HCDC. The decision to go to Afg was probably taken by Tony Blair. Take your pick! I would Love to know what Sir Jock would describe as overstretch though.......
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have written my letter to the airships in question. i need from someone though addresses to send them to. please can someone direct me with the appropriate addresses. do i send to MoD or RAF or parliament?
i tried earlier to post on that i had left a query for my friend whom i've not seen for a while but he works in marshalls on the hercules. i was wondering if he could be of any help. the three times i tried a kept getting redirected and so gave up...albeit temporarily..as i'd never give up on you guys. i'm now in the local library ha ha you cannot keep a good man down,or woman.
please can someone give me the contact details asap.
last but not least as i'm not in western region i am unable to see the news broadcast from HTV that is imminent this week. there was rumour that our local (anglia) were going to run it but at the mo i think that is unlikely. i'd love to know when it's on and how it went. i have mislaid the details of journos involved but can you see if there is anyway they can get in contact nige or ask on my behalf as i'd like a copy of the report as i put it to my memory box that i'm builiding of bob for my little girl. bob was/is my hero and i want her to know how brave and special he is.
keep the faith!
i tried earlier to post on that i had left a query for my friend whom i've not seen for a while but he works in marshalls on the hercules. i was wondering if he could be of any help. the three times i tried a kept getting redirected and so gave up...albeit temporarily..as i'd never give up on you guys. i'm now in the local library ha ha you cannot keep a good man down,or woman.
please can someone give me the contact details asap.
last but not least as i'm not in western region i am unable to see the news broadcast from HTV that is imminent this week. there was rumour that our local (anglia) were going to run it but at the mo i think that is unlikely. i'd love to know when it's on and how it went. i have mislaid the details of journos involved but can you see if there is anyway they can get in contact nige or ask on my behalf as i'd like a copy of the report as i put it to my memory box that i'm builiding of bob for my little girl. bob was/is my hero and i want her to know how brave and special he is.
keep the faith!
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thankyou for the help with the adresses and advice. i received an email from a member of a squadron at lyneham. rank,name and squadron will remain anonymous as there will no doubt be some sad git who will start trying to find out who they were and go and tell their CO so there will no doubt be hassle for them....to put it politely! my little five year old girl knows not to tell tales it's a shame that those that read this far away are unable to remember that. the main subject of the matter is that albert crews are behind me at lyneham i do hope so. i do not want to cause trouble for those who fly in the hercs day in and day out. maybe one day i can come back to lyneham and see all that my brother did. at the mo i don't think i'd be invited to lyneham,especially by the CO which saddens me but it's something to work towards. i'll look forward to it, as it'd be an honour!
letters done but i 'll let you know who's got incoming!!! they'll need a DAS against me soon! hope it's a fully functioning one...not appropriate or sufficient.i'm sick of hearing that! Chief of Defence Staff.....Chief of Air Staff....Commander in Chief and as mentioned before AOC 2 Gp! lets wait for the reply.
letters done but i 'll let you know who's got incoming!!! they'll need a DAS against me soon! hope it's a fully functioning one...not appropriate or sufficient.i'm sick of hearing that! Chief of Defence Staff.....Chief of Air Staff....Commander in Chief and as mentioned before AOC 2 Gp! lets wait for the reply.
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hi guys, well...i've seen myself on the telly box so i anticipate that there will be nige's piece on the local tv tonight.
i have found out that they are in the process of fitting the foam at marshalls and it is being done by an outside contractor tiger tanks or is tank tigers? so at least the ball is rolling....
i have found out that they are in the process of fitting the foam at marshalls and it is being done by an outside contractor tiger tanks or is tank tigers? so at least the ball is rolling....
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'RAF = civvies in uniform'
How we laughed when we arrived in Oman in 2001/2 and found a 'Deployed Admin Group', complete with Camp Warrant Officer (left over from Exercise UNSAFE SAREER), who inisisted on tent inspections and enough paperwork for the whole russian army. What a total joke!
No wonder we get a bad press from the teeth arms!
'RAF = civvies in uniform'
How we laughed when we arrived in Oman in 2001/2 and found a 'Deployed Admin Group', complete with Camp Warrant Officer (left over from Exercise UNSAFE SAREER), who inisisted on tent inspections and enough paperwork for the whole russian army. What a total joke!
No wonder we get a bad press from the teeth arms!
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i would not worry too much
Good morning lovely lady, I would not worry about your reception at Lynham. Some of the top brass have to display the official party line, but unless the situation is different to down here, they really want you to succeed, and are proberly having a quite chuckle about the discomfort on high.
I remember my old CO, would get us in for a debriefing on some problem, and after listening to all the "facts", would quitely dismiss the "drivers" and would then turn round and say "now tell me what really is the situation".
You have displayed considerable courage, and are also multi tasking capable. I mean who else could
Run a house
Hold down a responsible job
and in your spare time (GRIN)
Send rockets.
We love your style
Regards
Col
I remember my old CO, would get us in for a debriefing on some problem, and after listening to all the "facts", would quitely dismiss the "drivers" and would then turn round and say "now tell me what really is the situation".
You have displayed considerable courage, and are also multi tasking capable. I mean who else could
Run a house
Hold down a responsible job
and in your spare time (GRIN)
Send rockets.
We love your style
Regards
Col
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I believe HTV West are broadcasting from RIAT this evening, with a piece about Herc foam. Apologies in advance for the thread creep, but I have lifted a piece from Liam Fox's speech a few days ago regarding overstretch. According to Sir Jock there is no such thing, however RAF recruiting has dropped by 2/3rds. Liam Fox appears to be very switched on...
The current level of defence expenditure is supposed to provide for, at most, no more than one small-scale operation and two medium-scale operations at any one time. Yet the NAO military readiness report in June 2005 highlighted the fact that the armed forces operated consistently over the planned level of activity during 2002, 2003 and 2004. The NAO highlighted concerns about its impact on the armed forces, saying:
"'The high operational tempo conducted by the Department generates a number of personnel and equipment related risks. These risks include: reduced opportunities for, and levels of, training—leading to skill fade in processes and techniques not exercised in current or recent operations; potentially negative impacts on recruitment and retention rates... a reduced pool of reserve forces to augment regular personnel and units; the need for additional equipment; and added demands on both equipment and logistic support. The recurring high tempo of operations also places a premium on the Department's ability to identify such risks quickly and to take early mitigation action".
With regards to the Army, the recommended harmony guideline for intervals between tours is 24 months. That is what the balance, to which the Secretary of State referred, was supposed to be. Yet the Ministry of Defence's annual report for 2004-05 states that the average tour interval for infantry units is 21 months and the average tour interval for Royal Artillery units is 19 months. The report stated that there were specialist troops experiencing significantly worse tour intervals and that certain elements of the Army have tour intervals of less than one year. For example, the Queen's Royal Lancers had only12 months between a tour of duty in Kosovo and a tour of duty in Iraq. I spoke to soldiers in Iraq last week, who expected a gap of only eight months between their deployment there and subsequent deployment to Afghanistan. That is not acceptable. It is not a reasonable balance and it puts far too much pressure on our armed forces and their families.
The divorce rate in the armed forces is increasing and concerns are being expressed about the quality of service children's education. I look forward to reading the Defence Committee's report on that issue, to be published at the end of this month, with very great interest.
The current level of defence expenditure is supposed to provide for, at most, no more than one small-scale operation and two medium-scale operations at any one time. Yet the NAO military readiness report in June 2005 highlighted the fact that the armed forces operated consistently over the planned level of activity during 2002, 2003 and 2004. The NAO highlighted concerns about its impact on the armed forces, saying:
"'The high operational tempo conducted by the Department generates a number of personnel and equipment related risks. These risks include: reduced opportunities for, and levels of, training—leading to skill fade in processes and techniques not exercised in current or recent operations; potentially negative impacts on recruitment and retention rates... a reduced pool of reserve forces to augment regular personnel and units; the need for additional equipment; and added demands on both equipment and logistic support. The recurring high tempo of operations also places a premium on the Department's ability to identify such risks quickly and to take early mitigation action".
With regards to the Army, the recommended harmony guideline for intervals between tours is 24 months. That is what the balance, to which the Secretary of State referred, was supposed to be. Yet the Ministry of Defence's annual report for 2004-05 states that the average tour interval for infantry units is 21 months and the average tour interval for Royal Artillery units is 19 months. The report stated that there were specialist troops experiencing significantly worse tour intervals and that certain elements of the Army have tour intervals of less than one year. For example, the Queen's Royal Lancers had only12 months between a tour of duty in Kosovo and a tour of duty in Iraq. I spoke to soldiers in Iraq last week, who expected a gap of only eight months between their deployment there and subsequent deployment to Afghanistan. That is not acceptable. It is not a reasonable balance and it puts far too much pressure on our armed forces and their families.
The divorce rate in the armed forces is increasing and concerns are being expressed about the quality of service children's education. I look forward to reading the Defence Committee's report on that issue, to be published at the end of this month, with very great interest.
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morning chaps. the letters to the airships have been sent registerd post or is it recorded? one of the two anyway where the recipient cannot claim to have not received the letter in question! untrusting madam aren't i eh?! it's only because i have had letters been ignored before that i'm not taking chances. so as i write this they are probably reading the letters as we speak! i have had an interim reply from downing street yesterday. it states they are im reciept of the letter and it is receiving attention and they will reply shortly. i look forward to the reply that is getting so much attention....!
there is the oppurtunity to speak to more reporters as military families have forwarded on a contact from radio four that are doing a programme on the shortages faced by those in iraq and afghanistan. methinks a little mention about the foam issue will be required! i'm also trying to set about getting onto question time...just to let the establishment know that although i have to intercept my life with the joys of ironing, trying not to kill patients, be a woman of dreams, doing tv interviews i'm not going anywhere.
i found a defence number for sorting out the handing in of the petition so i may sort that out soon. what do peoples think? things have slowed down on the signature front.
there is the oppurtunity to speak to more reporters as military families have forwarded on a contact from radio four that are doing a programme on the shortages faced by those in iraq and afghanistan. methinks a little mention about the foam issue will be required! i'm also trying to set about getting onto question time...just to let the establishment know that although i have to intercept my life with the joys of ironing, trying not to kill patients, be a woman of dreams, doing tv interviews i'm not going anywhere.
i found a defence number for sorting out the handing in of the petition so i may sort that out soon. what do peoples think? things have slowed down on the signature front.
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For such a 'specialist' subject, the seriousness of which the general public and a majority of the media can't begin to grasp, I think that 2500+ is very impressive and it may be worth 'pulling the plug' sooner rather than later.
Nonetheless, perhaps we should all go for one last 'trawl' and write or phone today!?
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Nonetheless, perhaps we should all go for one last 'trawl' and write or phone today!?
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that's what i think. i have emailed flight magasine to see if they will do a link to it. therefore i think the need to start taking steps towards handing it in is very much needed. i have asked mr blair if i can hand it in. mr browne has been offered the same opportunity! i should think another week or so and that will be it.it has slowed down but as i said there are over 2500 and creeping up towards the 2600 mark.
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Petition requires publicity
I would hope that Air Forces Monthly magazine would be sympathetic. their reporting seems to be pro aircrew.
Send them an outline of the campaign thus far and hopefully they will give some publicity.
They have done some reports that do expose the problems such as the crisis in the support helicopter forces.
www.airforcesmonthly.com
Good luck
Send them an outline of the campaign thus far and hopefully they will give some publicity.
They have done some reports that do expose the problems such as the crisis in the support helicopter forces.
www.airforcesmonthly.com
Good luck
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SLC!!!
good point sir. i have also iniatied a letter to the CO of lyneham. i am contacting anyone i can think of to try and find out why these planes are not equipped and protected...and why the hell there are planes going out to afghanistan in this state. either there is someone who quite frankly is deluded to think that the planes are sufficently equipped for the threat environmentt they are going to or there is a massive cover up going on and someone is not being honest. take your pick with your chosen theory.
like i've stated before. i do not want to put the heeby-jeebies up people. i do not want to cause offence, if possible. i do want answers though. there is nothing wrong with that...or is there. it is not enough to tell me some half baked set of events then not action the steps to ensure that a loss of that magnitude is never repeated and for the same reasons. the men on that plane were not collateral damage in a war, they were the unwilling pawns unlucky to be the result of a risk the powers that be chose to risk. i will put that right.
good point sir. i have also iniatied a letter to the CO of lyneham. i am contacting anyone i can think of to try and find out why these planes are not equipped and protected...and why the hell there are planes going out to afghanistan in this state. either there is someone who quite frankly is deluded to think that the planes are sufficently equipped for the threat environmentt they are going to or there is a massive cover up going on and someone is not being honest. take your pick with your chosen theory.
like i've stated before. i do not want to put the heeby-jeebies up people. i do not want to cause offence, if possible. i do want answers though. there is nothing wrong with that...or is there. it is not enough to tell me some half baked set of events then not action the steps to ensure that a loss of that magnitude is never repeated and for the same reasons. the men on that plane were not collateral damage in a war, they were the unwilling pawns unlucky to be the result of a risk the powers that be chose to risk. i will put that right.
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Today is the tenth anniversary of the TWA 800 disaster, a 747 that exploded off Long Island. The aircraft was brought down by a fuel tank explosion and over 200 people died. 10 years later Boeing has agreed to fit all of its new aircraft with a fuel tank inerting system. There is continuing debate in the US about the possibility of retrofitting existing commercial aircraft with a similar system. It goes without saying that US military aircraft are protected. Contrast this with the MoD. The MoD never planned to fit foam to the Hercules fleet even though an RAF C130 was lost to a fuel tank explosion. It behoves averyone who cares to maintain the pressure on the MoD and the Govt. Many RAF crews are risking their lives in unprotected aircraft, this amounts to nothing short of a national scandal. Please keep at it we are winning the argument.
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Absolutely, Nige. I believe that the reason for not fitting such inerting systems to airliners is because the calculated risk of occurence after TWA 800 was deemed very low. However, of course, they got the calculation wrong and now airlines and gov'ts, each side of the Atlantic, are playing the 'cost of litigation v cost of retrofittting v risk' game ....with our lives. Sh!tty but often a sad fact of reality! YES, IT IS A NATIONAL SCANDAL!
BY THE WAY - A HUGE APOLOGY TO ALL THOSE WHO GOT HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS, OF HERC FOAM EMAILS FROM MY HOME EMAIL ADDRESS RECENTLY.
APPARENTLY, I WAS INFECTED WITH A 'WORM' THAT TAKES AN EMAIL AND CLONES IT SELF THOUSANDS OF TIMES USING EVERY EMAIL ADDRESS IN ONES OUTLOOK ADDRESS-BOOK! SADLY, IT DOES NOT SHOW UP IN A VIRUS SCAN, HOWEVER IT IS A LITTLE-KNOWN FAULT WITH SERVERS AND MICROSOFT OFFICE BUSINESS APPLICATIONS. BE WARNED!
IF ANYONE IS STILL GETTING EMAILS FROM MY HOME ADDRESS, PLEASE TREAT THEM AS SPAM, TAKE ME OFF YOUR 'APPROVED' LIST AND I WILL SEND YOU A NEW AND SAFE ADDRESS IN DUE COURSE.
ALTHOUGH I COULD BE ACCUSED OF BEING PARANOID, ITS FUNNY THAT THIS HAPPENED WITH A HERC FOAM PETITION EMAIL JUST AFTER I SAID I WAS DOING A LAST TRAWL. AS SOMEONE SAID, PERHAPS IT WAS INTENDED BY 'THE DARKSIDE'. WHO KNOWS?
HOWEVER, IT HAS BACKFIRED AND IS QUITE FUNNY BECAUSE IT HAS ACTUALLY HELPED ME GET IN CONTACT WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE WERE 'INCOGNITO'.
IT ALSO MEANS THAT SOME 'UNHELPFUL' PEOPLE WILL HAVE GOT A FEW THOUSAND EMAILS TOO!
ONCE AGAIN, SORRY TO ALL THOSE WHO WERE INCONVENIENCED (BUT THINK YOURSELF LUCKY - AS MY BROTHER IN LAW GOT OVER 20,000 EMAILS).
IF ONLY WE COULD TURN THESE INTO PETITION SIGNATURES!!!!!?????
BY THE WAY - A HUGE APOLOGY TO ALL THOSE WHO GOT HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS, OF HERC FOAM EMAILS FROM MY HOME EMAIL ADDRESS RECENTLY.
APPARENTLY, I WAS INFECTED WITH A 'WORM' THAT TAKES AN EMAIL AND CLONES IT SELF THOUSANDS OF TIMES USING EVERY EMAIL ADDRESS IN ONES OUTLOOK ADDRESS-BOOK! SADLY, IT DOES NOT SHOW UP IN A VIRUS SCAN, HOWEVER IT IS A LITTLE-KNOWN FAULT WITH SERVERS AND MICROSOFT OFFICE BUSINESS APPLICATIONS. BE WARNED!
IF ANYONE IS STILL GETTING EMAILS FROM MY HOME ADDRESS, PLEASE TREAT THEM AS SPAM, TAKE ME OFF YOUR 'APPROVED' LIST AND I WILL SEND YOU A NEW AND SAFE ADDRESS IN DUE COURSE.
ALTHOUGH I COULD BE ACCUSED OF BEING PARANOID, ITS FUNNY THAT THIS HAPPENED WITH A HERC FOAM PETITION EMAIL JUST AFTER I SAID I WAS DOING A LAST TRAWL. AS SOMEONE SAID, PERHAPS IT WAS INTENDED BY 'THE DARKSIDE'. WHO KNOWS?
HOWEVER, IT HAS BACKFIRED AND IS QUITE FUNNY BECAUSE IT HAS ACTUALLY HELPED ME GET IN CONTACT WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE WERE 'INCOGNITO'.
IT ALSO MEANS THAT SOME 'UNHELPFUL' PEOPLE WILL HAVE GOT A FEW THOUSAND EMAILS TOO!
ONCE AGAIN, SORRY TO ALL THOSE WHO WERE INCONVENIENCED (BUT THINK YOURSELF LUCKY - AS MY BROTHER IN LAW GOT OVER 20,000 EMAILS).
IF ONLY WE COULD TURN THESE INTO PETITION SIGNATURES!!!!!?????
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Absolutely, Nige. I believe that the reason for not fitting such inerting systems to airliners is because the calculated risk of occurence after TWA 800 was deemed very low. However, of course, they got the calculation wrong and now airlines and gov'ts, each side of the Atlantic, are playing the 'cost of litigation v cost of retrofittting v risk' game ....with our lives. Sh!tty but often a sad fact of reality! YES, IT IS A NATIONAL SCANDAL!
BY THE WAY - A HUGE APOLOGY TO ALL THOSE WHO GOT HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS, OF HERC FOAM EMAILS FROM MY HOME EMAIL ADDRESS RECENTLY.
APPARENTLY, I WAS INFECTED WITH A 'WORM' THAT TAKES AN EMAIL AND CLONES IT SELF THOUSANDS OF TIMES USING EVERY EMAIL ADDRESS IN ONES OUTLOOK ADDRESS-BOOK! SADLY, IT DOES NOT SHOW UP IN A VIRUS SCAN, HOWEVER IT IS A LITTLE-KNOWN FAULT WITH SERVERS AND MICROSOFT OFFICE BUSINESS APPLICATIONS. BE WARNED!
IF ANYONE IS STILL GETTING EMAILS FROM MY HOME ADDRESS, PLEASE TREAT THEM AS SPAM, TAKE ME OFF YOUR 'APPROVED' LIST AND I WILL SEND YOU A NEW AND SAFE ADDRESS IN DUE COURSE.
ALTHOUGH I COULD BE ACCUSED OF BEING PARANOID, ITS FUNNY THAT THIS HAPPENED WITH A HERC FOAM PETITION EMAIL JUST AFTER I SAID I WAS DOING A LAST TRAWL. AS SOMEONE SAID, PERHAPS IT WAS INTENDED BY 'THE DARKSIDE'. WHO KNOWS?
HOWEVER, IT HAS BACKFIRED AND IS QUITE FUNNY BECAUSE IT HAS ACTUALLY HELPED ME GET IN CONTACT WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE WERE 'INCOGNITO'.
IT ALSO MEANS THAT SOME 'UNHELPFUL' PEOPLE WILL HAVE GOT A FEW THOUSAND EMAILS TOO!
ONCE AGAIN, SORRY TO ALL THOSE WHO WERE INCONVENIENCED (BUT THINK YOURSELF LUCKY - AS MY BROTHER IN LAW GOT OVER 20,000 EMAILS).
IF ONLY WE COULD TURN THESE INTO PETITION SIGNATURES!!!!!?????
BY THE WAY - A HUGE APOLOGY TO ALL THOSE WHO GOT HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS, OF HERC FOAM EMAILS FROM MY HOME EMAIL ADDRESS RECENTLY.
APPARENTLY, I WAS INFECTED WITH A 'WORM' THAT TAKES AN EMAIL AND CLONES IT SELF THOUSANDS OF TIMES USING EVERY EMAIL ADDRESS IN ONES OUTLOOK ADDRESS-BOOK! SADLY, IT DOES NOT SHOW UP IN A VIRUS SCAN, HOWEVER IT IS A LITTLE-KNOWN FAULT WITH SERVERS AND MICROSOFT OFFICE BUSINESS APPLICATIONS. BE WARNED!
IF ANYONE IS STILL GETTING EMAILS FROM MY HOME ADDRESS, PLEASE TREAT THEM AS SPAM, TAKE ME OFF YOUR 'APPROVED' LIST AND I WILL SEND YOU A NEW AND SAFE ADDRESS IN DUE COURSE.
ALTHOUGH I COULD BE ACCUSED OF BEING PARANOID, ITS FUNNY THAT THIS HAPPENED WITH A HERC FOAM PETITION EMAIL JUST AFTER I SAID I WAS DOING A LAST TRAWL. AS SOMEONE SAID, PERHAPS IT WAS INTENDED BY 'THE DARKSIDE'. WHO KNOWS?
HOWEVER, IT HAS BACKFIRED AND IS QUITE FUNNY BECAUSE IT HAS ACTUALLY HELPED ME GET IN CONTACT WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE WERE 'INCOGNITO'.
IT ALSO MEANS THAT SOME 'UNHELPFUL' PEOPLE WILL HAVE GOT A FEW THOUSAND EMAILS TOO!
ONCE AGAIN, SORRY TO ALL THOSE WHO WERE INCONVENIENCED (BUT THINK YOURSELF LUCKY - AS MY BROTHER IN LAW GOT OVER 20,000 EMAILS).
IF ONLY WE COULD TURN THESE INTO PETITION SIGNATURES!!!!!?????
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wow, we were lucky! we got over 2,500 emails and it took 3x2hr sessions to recieve them all. we are without the computer know all so it took a fair few hours to delete them all. the good news is that we've broken the 2,600 mark. that i think is down to the tv work and the coverage at RIAT! i'm also confident your outstanding last stand flip has helped. i'm struck down with shingles and so things are on the go slow at the mo. i'm waiting to hear back from the letters and then take the next step, although tomorrow i'm in ocntact with radio four so watch out you've still got alot to answer for and the heat is not off you yet ministers/penny pinchers! i am not a storm of which you can weather and ride out. poorly or not i'm still going to keep campaigning. this way it means that i don't have the disruption of work to get in the way. watch this space.
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Originally Posted by Grimweasel
I heard from a mate, that John Reid asked the Herc Captain on a recent visit to Iraq, what his thoughts were on the foam etc. He was flying in albert at the time (a J). It shows that he must be listening. Anyone know what the Captain said????