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Good old BEags - more goutrage! On to the selective memory loss already - mind you, poor chap is getting on
Nott Cuts
'Short term' Shackelton AEW 2
NIMWACS
Front line first
Options for change
Closure of Halton hospital
Fatty Soames
For ----- sake, team, get off your ar$es and keep those bunch of Conservative tossers out on Thursday!
Nott Cuts
'Short term' Shackelton AEW 2
NIMWACS
Front line first
Options for change
Closure of Halton hospital
Fatty Soames
For ----- sake, team, get off your ar$es and keep those bunch of Conservative tossers out on Thursday!
Not so senile as to remember how bad things have been under Labour and/or Nouveau Labour.....
Never have there been so many lies and such spin-ridden deceit as under the current bunch of liars...
Take the pi$$ out of me as much as you like, I really don't give a to$$. But surely no-one can stomach a third term under the gurning pratt Bliar and his slimeball cohorts.....
GET RID OF LABOUR!! You know it makes sense!
Never have there been so many lies and such spin-ridden deceit as under the current bunch of liars...
Take the pi$$ out of me as much as you like, I really don't give a to$$. But surely no-one can stomach a third term under the gurning pratt Bliar and his slimeball cohorts.....
GET RID OF LABOUR!! You know it makes sense!
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Claymore was the much rumoured name for TSR-2 if it had gone into service.
BEagle has a much better name for her.
Beagle,
“Never have there been so many lies and soin-ridden deceit as under the current bunch of liars...”
Apart from not being entirely sure what a “soin” is surely you are having rather selective memory loss, or do we have to remind you about the Tory 18 years of;
Archer, Aitken, Hamilton etc, cash for questions, ilegal arms trading, chronic underfunding of the NHS, the railways, transport infrastructure, interest rates at 15.7% massive unemployment, the Poll tax, John Nott, Michael Portillo, boom and bust, selling of the MoD Married quarters estate in a desperate bid to raise cash, virtual elimination of the Defence medical services (remember RAF Hospitals?) scrapping the Vulcan force before Tornado was in service (John Notts infamous ‘window of vulnerability’) selling of HMS Endurance, scrapping of two thirds of the Carrier fleet, all of the assault ships and a third of the RN surface escort fleet, (can’t imagine why the Argies thought they could have a go at the Falklands, can you?) contractorisation, privatisation, Private Finance Initiatives (YES, the Tories invented them!) dismantling the free NHS dental service, and so on and so on and so on.
FOR F*CKS SAKE TEAM, GET OFF YOUR ARSES AND KEEP THAT BUNCH OF TORY TO55ERS OUT ON THURSDAY!!!!!!!!!!
DON’T LET THE TORIES IN!
VOTE LABOUR.
“Never have there been so many lies and soin-ridden deceit as under the current bunch of liars...”
Apart from not being entirely sure what a “soin” is surely you are having rather selective memory loss, or do we have to remind you about the Tory 18 years of;
Archer, Aitken, Hamilton etc, cash for questions, ilegal arms trading, chronic underfunding of the NHS, the railways, transport infrastructure, interest rates at 15.7% massive unemployment, the Poll tax, John Nott, Michael Portillo, boom and bust, selling of the MoD Married quarters estate in a desperate bid to raise cash, virtual elimination of the Defence medical services (remember RAF Hospitals?) scrapping the Vulcan force before Tornado was in service (John Notts infamous ‘window of vulnerability’) selling of HMS Endurance, scrapping of two thirds of the Carrier fleet, all of the assault ships and a third of the RN surface escort fleet, (can’t imagine why the Argies thought they could have a go at the Falklands, can you?) contractorisation, privatisation, Private Finance Initiatives (YES, the Tories invented them!) dismantling the free NHS dental service, and so on and so on and so on.
FOR F*CKS SAKE TEAM, GET OFF YOUR ARSES AND KEEP THAT BUNCH OF TORY TO55ERS OUT ON THURSDAY!!!!!!!!!!
DON’T LET THE TORIES IN!
VOTE LABOUR.
Soin?
Please explain? Oh - perhaps you are making much of the proximty of the 'O' and 'P' keys on my laptop? Gosh, well done, you spotted my temporary typo before I did. Big deal....
Now explain away the lies of your 'noo labour' luvvie chums which are increasingly being exposed for what they are as the days tick away.....
Who on earth wants Bliar and the rest of his gang to have yet another term in office?
Apart from you, proone.
Please explain? Oh - perhaps you are making much of the proximty of the 'O' and 'P' keys on my laptop? Gosh, well done, you spotted my temporary typo before I did. Big deal....
Now explain away the lies of your 'noo labour' luvvie chums which are increasingly being exposed for what they are as the days tick away.....
Who on earth wants Bliar and the rest of his gang to have yet another term in office?
Apart from you, proone.
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And me, and 40% of the electorate if the Times* is to be believed!
The TSR2 was a technological marvel killed off by economics and politics both left and right wing - no chance of that happening again because of the withdrawal penalties deliberately written into contracts to discourage those countries for trying to drop costly/unpopular projects
*Well known Blairite pinko fag commie subversive newspaper
The TSR2 was a technological marvel killed off by economics and politics both left and right wing - no chance of that happening again because of the withdrawal penalties deliberately written into contracts to discourage those countries for trying to drop costly/unpopular projects
*Well known Blairite pinko fag commie subversive newspaper
BEagle,
soin? I see you edited it, I didn't spot is as a typo and far from being clever I didn't know what it was, now I know, ta.
As Maple 01 has stolen my thunder I'll restrict myself to pointing out that we will find out the answer to your question BEagle on Friday morning, to paraphrase Dowding, if I'm right, we'll have another Labour Government, if I'm wrong, God help us as we will have Micheal Howard leading another version of Thatcherism.
What specific lies would you be referring to BEagle? If they are increasingly being "exposed as the days tick away" how do you explain the constant Labour lead in the polls?
soin? I see you edited it, I didn't spot is as a typo and far from being clever I didn't know what it was, now I know, ta.
As Maple 01 has stolen my thunder I'll restrict myself to pointing out that we will find out the answer to your question BEagle on Friday morning, to paraphrase Dowding, if I'm right, we'll have another Labour Government, if I'm wrong, God help us as we will have Micheal Howard leading another version of Thatcherism.
What specific lies would you be referring to BEagle? If they are increasingly being "exposed as the days tick away" how do you explain the constant Labour lead in the polls?
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Prune (?) refuted Beagles suggestion that there had been a possibility of a coup d'parliament. I beg to differ and suggest that in this case Beagle might not have been too far off the mark.
Remember ex-DSACEUR, General Walter Walker. I sent a cartoon in with my ISS work and my tutor acknowledged it but said it was too near the mark.
There were very definitely undercurrents at that time and unrelated to the 1 Gp Guest night or even, directly, to the subject of this thread.
OTOH the FEAF requirement was real but was TSR2 needed for that mission? Some targets were miles and miles of trees, bridge, miles and miles of trees. You hardly needed Mach 1 against guns on a bridge head with an exposure time of less than a minute.
Great plane though and nice if the RAAF had bought it too.
Remember ex-DSACEUR, General Walter Walker. I sent a cartoon in with my ISS work and my tutor acknowledged it but said it was too near the mark.
There were very definitely undercurrents at that time and unrelated to the 1 Gp Guest night or even, directly, to the subject of this thread.
OTOH the FEAF requirement was real but was TSR2 needed for that mission? Some targets were miles and miles of trees, bridge, miles and miles of trees. You hardly needed Mach 1 against guns on a bridge head with an exposure time of less than a minute.
Great plane though and nice if the RAAF had bought it too.
Pontius Navigator,
If that was the case Pontius then seeing as the Labout Gov't was returned with a vastly increased majority in 1966 it would have been an undemocratic unconstitutional act and the perpretrators would quite rightly have ended up on the end of a rope!
I was a new wet behind the ears baby pilot at the time of the 1 Group dining in night, rumour that reached us mere mortals at the time was that it was mainly about a lack of a perceived future with Polaris being on the verge of introduction and a general frustration at spending your career in Lincolnshire and huge chunks of time on Q? I can't see aircrew getting all hot under the collar at the Govt f the day or the cancellation of TSR-2, after all wasn't the incident in 1967, some years after the cancellation?
If that was the case Pontius then seeing as the Labout Gov't was returned with a vastly increased majority in 1966 it would have been an undemocratic unconstitutional act and the perpretrators would quite rightly have ended up on the end of a rope!
I was a new wet behind the ears baby pilot at the time of the 1 Group dining in night, rumour that reached us mere mortals at the time was that it was mainly about a lack of a perceived future with Polaris being on the verge of introduction and a general frustration at spending your career in Lincolnshire and huge chunks of time on Q? I can't see aircrew getting all hot under the collar at the Govt f the day or the cancellation of TSR-2, after all wasn't the incident in 1967, some years after the cancellation?
From Sky News:
BLAIR DEFENDS IRAQ WAR
The Prime Minister has renewed the defence of his decision to take Britain to war with Iraq, following fresh disclosures about the build up to the conflict.
Tony Blair insisted he had done the right thing in launching military action with the US to overthrow Saddam Hussein.
He said opposition leaders criticising him had not been facing reality.
Mr Blair said: "The real world was you had to take a decision to take Saddam out, put him in prison or leave him in power. I decided to put him in prison."
He went on: "When you do this job you take difficult decisions and there is a wear and tear that comes with that.
"But in the end the question people have got to ask themselves is who do you trust to run the economy... who do you trust to deal with the big issues that confront this country?"
Not you or yours, that's for sure!
Labour OUT!!
BLAIR DEFENDS IRAQ WAR
The Prime Minister has renewed the defence of his decision to take Britain to war with Iraq, following fresh disclosures about the build up to the conflict.
Tony Blair insisted he had done the right thing in launching military action with the US to overthrow Saddam Hussein.
He said opposition leaders criticising him had not been facing reality.
Mr Blair said: "The real world was you had to take a decision to take Saddam out, put him in prison or leave him in power. I decided to put him in prison."
He went on: "When you do this job you take difficult decisions and there is a wear and tear that comes with that.
"But in the end the question people have got to ask themselves is who do you trust to run the economy... who do you trust to deal with the big issues that confront this country?"
Not you or yours, that's for sure!
Labour OUT!!
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prOOne, thinking about the context, I finished my ISS in 74, the talk was thus some 7 years after the 1 Gp Dining In and the TSR2 debacle.
Thanks for the peep under your disguise, at least you are not the Red Don <g.>
BTW I quite liked the Forces' Friend.
Thanks for the peep under your disguise, at least you are not the Red Don <g.>
BTW I quite liked the Forces' Friend.
"Who on earth wants Bliar and the rest of his gang to have yet another term in office?"
Well many traditional Tories probably see it as a 'least worst' option, BEags, old chum!
If it's any comfort, BEags, I will be voting Tory, but only because I still have a Tory constituency MP who reflects the old-style, pre-Thatcherite, decent, centrist, one-nation, benevolent, patrician, pragmatic conservatism of the 40s, 50s and 60s, before a once proud party was hijacked by a bunch of jumped up bourgeois Manchester Liberals who have nothing to do with the traditional values of conservatism.
No-one could despise the grinning Tony, with his faux-estuarine, glottal-stopping, jacket-removing, 'man of the people', 'ordinary blokeish' act more than I do. I hate the fecker more even than I hated Kinnock, or Thatcher.
Led by moderates, reflecting the decency and sense of figures like Ken Clarke, Chris Patten, and even Portaloo as he is now, (and following on from Gilmour, Pym, Heath et al) voting for the Tories could be a joy again and you could do so and look yourself in the eye without shame.
But a vote for Howard is a vote for a party that has become so morally bankrupt that it can only appeal to our greed (cutting taxes) and to our worst and most shameful xenophobic fears (all this shameful banging on about immigration).
The system is well and truly broken, and whatever happens on 5 May will be unbearably depressing, unless its a Labour majority so slender that it sees an immediate end to Blair.
Well many traditional Tories probably see it as a 'least worst' option, BEags, old chum!
If it's any comfort, BEags, I will be voting Tory, but only because I still have a Tory constituency MP who reflects the old-style, pre-Thatcherite, decent, centrist, one-nation, benevolent, patrician, pragmatic conservatism of the 40s, 50s and 60s, before a once proud party was hijacked by a bunch of jumped up bourgeois Manchester Liberals who have nothing to do with the traditional values of conservatism.
No-one could despise the grinning Tony, with his faux-estuarine, glottal-stopping, jacket-removing, 'man of the people', 'ordinary blokeish' act more than I do. I hate the fecker more even than I hated Kinnock, or Thatcher.
Led by moderates, reflecting the decency and sense of figures like Ken Clarke, Chris Patten, and even Portaloo as he is now, (and following on from Gilmour, Pym, Heath et al) voting for the Tories could be a joy again and you could do so and look yourself in the eye without shame.
But a vote for Howard is a vote for a party that has become so morally bankrupt that it can only appeal to our greed (cutting taxes) and to our worst and most shameful xenophobic fears (all this shameful banging on about immigration).
The system is well and truly broken, and whatever happens on 5 May will be unbearably depressing, unless its a Labour majority so slender that it sees an immediate end to Blair.
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Howard isn't rying to appeal to traditional Conservative voters with his immigration ploy, he is after the traditional Labour voters whose lives have been radically effected by unrestricted immigration.
Yes, yes. 'Cos we're full up, aren't we? All these nasty darkies over here, taking our jobs (sorry benefits), eyeing up our women and doubtless soon to be murdering our children.
And there has been unrestricted immigration, hasn't there? Anyone who wants to can just come here?
This ignorant and dangerous nonsense may be aimed at those blue collar Essex men who voted Tory under Thatcher and who then switched back to Labour, and indeed to the most ignorant, prejudiced, bottom-feeding scum who have always voted Labour, but it's also aimed at the small-minded, often blue-rinsed, Little Englander crackpots who have always voted Tory (or who are tempted by the Referendum Party, Jimmy Goldsmith, Veritas, and all the other far right crackpots) in a desparate effort to energise the core Tory Party activists.
And that's certainly who they're after with their promises of lower taxes and hand-outs to the users of private medicine and education.
I fear that the Tories need a catastrophic drubbing before they'll go back to the common sense, pragmatism and decency which once characterised the Party.
And there has been unrestricted immigration, hasn't there? Anyone who wants to can just come here?
This ignorant and dangerous nonsense may be aimed at those blue collar Essex men who voted Tory under Thatcher and who then switched back to Labour, and indeed to the most ignorant, prejudiced, bottom-feeding scum who have always voted Labour, but it's also aimed at the small-minded, often blue-rinsed, Little Englander crackpots who have always voted Tory (or who are tempted by the Referendum Party, Jimmy Goldsmith, Veritas, and all the other far right crackpots) in a desparate effort to energise the core Tory Party activists.
And that's certainly who they're after with their promises of lower taxes and hand-outs to the users of private medicine and education.
I fear that the Tories need a catastrophic drubbing before they'll go back to the common sense, pragmatism and decency which once characterised the Party.
Jacko,
Never have I agreed with you more!
In front of me is a ballot paper (postal vote applied for as I'm away on exercise all May...).
Only three candidates from the "major" political parties.
Never have I wished more fervently for a "none of the above" option! (There used to be at least one Green or Looney). This time the only option seems to be a deliberately spoilt paper...
Never have I agreed with you more!
In front of me is a ballot paper (postal vote applied for as I'm away on exercise all May...).
Only three candidates from the "major" political parties.
Never have I wished more fervently for a "none of the above" option! (There used to be at least one Green or Looney). This time the only option seems to be a deliberately spoilt paper...
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Proone
You produce spin like a labour DJ:
"People like you who constantly put the UK down hack me off when we stand as the worlds 4th largest economy, with the fastest rate of growth in Europe, the most dynamic economy of any in the G8 and a most successful record of creating a dynamic and tolerant society. "
From below:
http://www.hugginsassociates.com/latest_news.php
"The UK Competitiveness Index 2005 report, which is published today, benchmarks the competitiveness of the UK and its regions and localities. The report shows that the competitiveness of the UK economy has weakened since 1997, with a composite competitiveness benchmark of leading nations finding that the UK has slipped from a ranking of 9th position in 1997 to only 17th position by 2004."
Using Europe as a comparison gives you the nice warm feeling because the EU is not competitive due to mountains of red tape and legislation that we have slavishly followed. NL are strangling our economy with administrative burden.
Within the business world, we believe that NL supports small businesses, as long as you start off with a large one.
Regards
Retard
You produce spin like a labour DJ:
"People like you who constantly put the UK down hack me off when we stand as the worlds 4th largest economy, with the fastest rate of growth in Europe, the most dynamic economy of any in the G8 and a most successful record of creating a dynamic and tolerant society. "
From below:
http://www.hugginsassociates.com/latest_news.php
"The UK Competitiveness Index 2005 report, which is published today, benchmarks the competitiveness of the UK and its regions and localities. The report shows that the competitiveness of the UK economy has weakened since 1997, with a composite competitiveness benchmark of leading nations finding that the UK has slipped from a ranking of 9th position in 1997 to only 17th position by 2004."
Using Europe as a comparison gives you the nice warm feeling because the EU is not competitive due to mountains of red tape and legislation that we have slavishly followed. NL are strangling our economy with administrative burden.
Within the business world, we believe that NL supports small businesses, as long as you start off with a large one.
Regards
Retard
Omark44
What utter nonsense! The only choice people like you face is whether to vote BNP or UKIP, you must be so upset you can’t vote National Front any more.
Racist alarmist inaccurate claptrap!
Engineer(retard)
51 months of consecutive positive economic growth, the highest rate of growth amongst the G7, record inward investment, record investment in overseas assets, the most stable economy in the G8, low interest rates, low inflation, low unemployment, the highest number of people in employment ever and a reduction in debt,and you expect me to be upset because some Professor thinks there is a disparity between the leading and lagging regions of the UK and that only London, the South east of England and the East of England can compete effectively with the most competitive regions globally?
Who was using Europe as a comparison? The G7 and G8 include the USA, Japan and Canada!
What utter nonsense! The only choice people like you face is whether to vote BNP or UKIP, you must be so upset you can’t vote National Front any more.
Racist alarmist inaccurate claptrap!
Engineer(retard)
51 months of consecutive positive economic growth, the highest rate of growth amongst the G7, record inward investment, record investment in overseas assets, the most stable economy in the G8, low interest rates, low inflation, low unemployment, the highest number of people in employment ever and a reduction in debt,and you expect me to be upset because some Professor thinks there is a disparity between the leading and lagging regions of the UK and that only London, the South east of England and the East of England can compete effectively with the most competitive regions globally?
Who was using Europe as a comparison? The G7 and G8 include the USA, Japan and Canada!
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