Movers v Loadies (Merged)
Muppets or Loadies
I cannot remember the last time a Loadie bent a herc.
Equally, I cannot remember the last time a Muppet didn't bend a Herc.
Loadies get paid more, so they can buy more pies when the in flight pies have gone.
As to Muppets, Pay Peanuts, Get Monkeys.
I will bet my bottom dollar that a monkey could do the Muppets job, with less training and fewer accidents.
Equally, I cannot remember the last time a Muppet didn't bend a Herc.
Loadies get paid more, so they can buy more pies when the in flight pies have gone.
As to Muppets, Pay Peanuts, Get Monkeys.
I will bet my bottom dollar that a monkey could do the Muppets job, with less training and fewer accidents.
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Well guys,
This all started off when I asked a simple question, some time ago, on the Freight Dogs forum, then got slagged off by a couple of people, who would purport to being of slightly above average intelligence, for asking this one question.
I was obviously incorrect to assume that people reading this forum were honest, forthright and decent, so I thought, “ok, lets start a new topic to see if we can’t get a little bit of inter-trade banter going to see what comes out of it”.
Well. It started out ok but then soon degenerated into a slagging match, with dare I say it most of the negative comments coming from the same genre that I first encountered.
I was hoping for something a little more intelligent, and with a little more humour.
One or two decent replies from the likes of DC8, C130, TAC Queen, Echo5,BEagle (thank you), but then one or two seem to let the side down a tad, and the plot now appears to have been lost.
This all started off when I asked a simple question, some time ago, on the Freight Dogs forum, then got slagged off by a couple of people, who would purport to being of slightly above average intelligence, for asking this one question.
I was obviously incorrect to assume that people reading this forum were honest, forthright and decent, so I thought, “ok, lets start a new topic to see if we can’t get a little bit of inter-trade banter going to see what comes out of it”.
Well. It started out ok but then soon degenerated into a slagging match, with dare I say it most of the negative comments coming from the same genre that I first encountered.
I was hoping for something a little more intelligent, and with a little more humour.
One or two decent replies from the likes of DC8, C130, TAC Queen, Echo5,BEagle (thank you), but then one or two seem to let the side down a tad, and the plot now appears to have been lost.
Movers, ALMs or whatever. Treat them civilly, find out what they can and can't do, will or won't do and the whole team benefits....
But that used to happen mostly 'down route' when they weren't subject to the constipating effect of the homeplate 'Ops' empire...
If you're going to have a pop at someone, look no further than the abysmally inefficient 'phone-answering' branch, IMHO
But that used to happen mostly 'down route' when they weren't subject to the constipating effect of the homeplate 'Ops' empire...
If you're going to have a pop at someone, look no further than the abysmally inefficient 'phone-answering' branch, IMHO
ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring...
BEagle,
That's if they can be even bothered to answer the phone. These guys must live on the theory that "Every time you answer the work phone, another Elvis dies"
That's if they can be even bothered to answer the phone. These guys must live on the theory that "Every time you answer the work phone, another Elvis dies"
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Have to say, I used to be a muppet (and not a very good one at that). That said, the outfit I work happily for has loaders, trimmers, route planners, load planners, customs clearance agents, ramp sups, et al......and about 5 loadmasters for when no-one has the cert to close the doors.
.............gentlemen Loadmasters, you do the math. You are exponentially accelerating down a cul de sac.
Oh, and by the way, bad as I was I got a nice little job on the strength of it. Have a nice one!
.............gentlemen Loadmasters, you do the math. You are exponentially accelerating down a cul de sac.
Oh, and by the way, bad as I was I got a nice little job on the strength of it. Have a nice one!
Movers.........chip on shoulder non aircrew idiots who think they are Combat troops with all the chest webbing and gear but no weapons!! Funny eh? But then there are Loadies who fall into the same category. What the hell? Lets all just do the job, get along and draw the pay,eh?
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As a neutral bystander and a potential WSOp (ALM), I find this all a little disconcerting, isn't it time to kiss and make up?
Do the other aircrew branches have the same sort of views towards their ground crew colleagues? (and vice versa)
Do the other aircrew branches have the same sort of views towards their ground crew colleagues? (and vice versa)
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Things went down hill when the MALM was disestablished and the ALM courses stopped at the Movements School. People had a better appreciation of what each could do.
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Good grief
Since my initial ventures in here I have stayed out for as long as posible, but I have read a whole plethora of insights as to the merits and shortcomings of both trades and felt I should add my 6'pennyworth.
Spent my first 15 years as a "techie" with a meteoric rise from LAC thro' to Sgt. Worked on fast,fixed and rotary at 1st,2nd and3rd line, done Europe and the emerald isles and nothing compares to what i do now
TMT and GST as both Cpl and Sgt did not in anyway prepare me for the hardship of AAITC, let alone the rigours of selection! We had guys who were "X" regiment, army and firemen, probably some of the most difficult trades, physicaly, to enter who all stated this was about as hard as it gets. The 7 weeks i spent at Finningly were, without doubt, the hardest 7 weeks of my 29 year RAF life so far.
Follow this with proffesional training for rotary and fixed wing in company with the annual check upon check we endure and my utmost admiration goes out for anyone who gains a flying badge, in any discipline.
For those of you out there who doubt the sincerity of this post I emplore you to go seek the opinion of those other "x" tradesmen you know who have made the efort and ask them if they would sooner return to being being "scuffers", "stackers", "techies", "blunties" etc etc and see if you can guess what the answer is
However seeing some of the vitriol on display here I can only assume that some of the posters, you can probably guess who you are, have either failed in their attempts to make the next step up or bowed to the ineviatble peer pressure that pervades the Great British mindset. Thank god TAC Queen and the young man on the current J course, to name but a few, had the courage to persue a dream, and long may it continue
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Since my initial ventures in here I have stayed out for as long as posible, but I have read a whole plethora of insights as to the merits and shortcomings of both trades and felt I should add my 6'pennyworth.
Spent my first 15 years as a "techie" with a meteoric rise from LAC thro' to Sgt. Worked on fast,fixed and rotary at 1st,2nd and3rd line, done Europe and the emerald isles and nothing compares to what i do now
TMT and GST as both Cpl and Sgt did not in anyway prepare me for the hardship of AAITC, let alone the rigours of selection! We had guys who were "X" regiment, army and firemen, probably some of the most difficult trades, physicaly, to enter who all stated this was about as hard as it gets. The 7 weeks i spent at Finningly were, without doubt, the hardest 7 weeks of my 29 year RAF life so far.
Follow this with proffesional training for rotary and fixed wing in company with the annual check upon check we endure and my utmost admiration goes out for anyone who gains a flying badge, in any discipline.
For those of you out there who doubt the sincerity of this post I emplore you to go seek the opinion of those other "x" tradesmen you know who have made the efort and ask them if they would sooner return to being being "scuffers", "stackers", "techies", "blunties" etc etc
and see if you can guess what the answer is However seeing some of the vitriol on display here I can only assume that some of the posters, you can probably guess who you are, have either failed in their attempts to make the next step up or bowed to the ineviatble peer pressure that pervades the Great British mindset. Thank god TAC Queen and the young man on the current J course, to name but a few, had the courage to persue a dream, and long may it continue
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Champagne anyone...?
I persued a dream once.
She was bloody livid.
I feel I've added nothing to this high brow debate.
Another successful evening's Ppruning then
Keep up the good work chaps
She was bloody livid.
I feel I've added nothing to this high brow debate.
Another successful evening's Ppruning then
Keep up the good work chaps
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Nice web site Stoppers!
Theres only one group of people I can think of that whinge more than Movers - the 'NAFIA' who are doing a wonderful job of preventing the J model from progressing and developing.
Theres only one group of people I can think of that whinge more than Movers - the 'NAFIA' who are doing a wonderful job of preventing the J model from progressing and developing.
Do I hear that there is a body of thought which advocates returning the Js to Lockheed Martin, acquiring more C-17s and keeping the refurbished Ks going until A400M and FSTA are here? Then standardising on C-17, A400M and FSTA...........??
Bull$hit, porcovolant sentiment, commonsense or just rumour control? Over to you....
Bull$hit, porcovolant sentiment, commonsense or just rumour control? Over to you....
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Hi all.
Just a quick reply to moggie ....the reason that you had to get up early was airfield opening times ...not because the movers wanted to get to the beach, and im sure you know that movers dont dictate opening times.....
Cheers
Just a quick reply to moggie ....the reason that you had to get up early was airfield opening times ...not because the movers wanted to get to the beach, and im sure you know that movers dont dictate opening times.....
Cheers
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What is going on, I go on route for a couple of days and you have all gone mad.
FFP- Imprest what imprest. Not only do I not receive it because I mostly visit DZ/LZ’s. When I do go on route it’s to places were one is not entitled. (Or so the gear monkey told me, come to think of it he did seem very flush the other evening.)
Blaky875- I am shocked that you think I am a girl sorry woman, did you not do your equal opportunity course. (I thou rally enjoyed mine and whole heartily embrace the current climate of equality.)
I am shocked and utterly horrified that you had to bring sex into the matter. The Royal British Air Force does not have any sex. I mean people who have sex, sorry I mean people of sex. We are a sex LESS society (well in my house any way)
Do you imply sir that I have a woman’s purse?
I grant you that I do have saggy man breasts
And yes I have been told I walk a bit funny.
But please, I think this thread has run its course.
In the words of Mr B. This thread is like a broken pencil.
P.S. Here’s to all the be-atches out there, put the kettle on luv.
I’m off now to change my sex. I have the breast I just need the tears.
FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT.
All spelling mistakes are because I can’t spell.
FFP- Imprest what imprest. Not only do I not receive it because I mostly visit DZ/LZ’s. When I do go on route it’s to places were one is not entitled. (Or so the gear monkey told me, come to think of it he did seem very flush the other evening.)
Blaky875- I am shocked that you think I am a girl sorry woman, did you not do your equal opportunity course. (I thou rally enjoyed mine and whole heartily embrace the current climate of equality.)
I am shocked and utterly horrified that you had to bring sex into the matter. The Royal British Air Force does not have any sex. I mean people who have sex, sorry I mean people of sex. We are a sex LESS society (well in my house any way)
Do you imply sir that I have a woman’s purse?
I grant you that I do have saggy man breasts
And yes I have been told I walk a bit funny.
But please, I think this thread has run its course.
In the words of Mr B. This thread is like a broken pencil.
P.S. Here’s to all the be-atches out there, put the kettle on luv.
I’m off now to change my sex. I have the breast I just need the tears.
FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT.
All spelling mistakes are because I can’t spell.