Originally Posted by Bee9sho (Post 11883384)

guys , i sent them an email if they have any type of payment plans or any other type cause honestly it hard to Offord 33k$ without base training and with the base it will definitely go above 50k$ easily , have anyone asked them before ? how does it go usually ? pay all of it once or how come ?

Originally Posted by souabnim (Post 11392189)

Hello Everyone!

I did the second officer program assessment in 2021 and passed. I decided to delay the start of the Type rating as Fly Dubai recently increased the Max age limit from 29 to 35 years old.

Here are the details:







Currently when you open the Flydubai Pilot, second officer page and click on apply now, it will direct you to CAE's website but no clear indication of how to get started. I recommend you email the following person:

To: Nigina Surkova

nigina.surkova @ cae.com

AND

CC: Deborah Alberetulage

deborah.alberetulage @ cae.com


and in the email subject type: Fly Dubai Second Officer Program.

In the email, mention your name and that you would like to apply for the program and request the requirements so you can submit your application.

____________________________________________________________ __________________________

Here is how this program works:

1)This program requires that you have:

CPL ME/IR from any ICAO state with 220 total hours(recently updated, previously was 250 hours).
1st Class Medical
MCC Course ( JOC not required because it's part of the type rating)(recently removed from the page, maybe a typo, but definitely still required)
ATPL theory( this can also be done after the type rating for those without this requirement)- Those with EASA.UK CAA or other ATPL credit will still be required to redo it with Fujairah Aviation Academy9 2-3 Months and $5000)

So you will require the MCC to apply! Preferably on a 737 for your own benefit in the assessment but not required.

2) After submitting your application, you will be invited for the assessment. The assessment is done in Dubai, and is a 2 day assessment. They will charge you $1000 for the assessment costs after you confirm the dates you can attend.

Day 1: Assessment consists of a simulator assessment on the B737NG Full motion Level D simulator ( See comments below for sim assessment description) - In CAE simulator facility, Dubai Silicon Oasis.
Day 2: Compass test and Psychometric test(all done on a computer) in Emirates Airlines headquarters. CAE is owned by Emirates and they conduct the assessment, so do not go for the Fly Dubai assessment package. As per the following website, which is used for the preparation of this day ( latest pilot job- Emirates assessment, sorry had to remove the URL to post, new member :) )



Results of the assessment are revealed within a week or 2 weeks.


3) When the assessment is successful, you can schedule your 737 Type Rating with CAE. They want you to begin the Type rating within 1 year.

Type rating is about 2 months long(56 days) and costs $33,000. 50% has to be paid for seat confirmation when you agree on a date and the other 50% 10 working days before beginning the type rating.

At the end of the type rating, during the exam, two examiners will be present. One examiner representing CAE for the Type Rating endorsement, and a second examiner representing Fly Dubai for the second officer assessment.

At the end of the simulator session, they will inform you if both are a pass!



4) This step I don't know a lot about, but this is what I know so far: After successfully passing the Type rating, Fly Dubai will invite you for another formal interview, and at this point they might have a few additional requirements before you start with them as a co-pilot(second officer).

For example: They might require you to do Base training on a 737 depending on license requirements for type rating endorsement. For example EASA license holders will have to complete this in Europe on their expense.


5) When you begin with FlyDubai, you will have to complete 30 sectors before you are released in the line. During this time the salary might only be 12,000dhs a month total, but this phase should not take long. you can complete 4 sectors in 1 day flying in the Gulf region.

When fully released, the salary becomes 20,000dhs a month TOTAL, until you complete 1500 hours on the 737, thats when your ATPL will be unfozen and pay will increase to 40,000 dhs a month(including housing and flying pay). It takes 2 to 2.5 years to complete these hours.

Sim description:

2-day CAE Assessment
Day 1: CAE Dubai Silicon Oasis Branch (Simulator Assessment B737NG Level D):

 Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then you’ll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, that’s okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!



Cost Planning : $1k for the assessment + $33k for the Type rating (Does not include housing, food) + $5k for GCAA ATPL theory + Base training(6 Touch and Gos) if your license requires it for license validation into a UAE GCAA license.

Note: The notes above were sent as an email to a friend that inquired on the program, hope it's useful for everyone, and excuse any mistakes.

Originally Posted by CAndreani (Post 11796546)

Hi all!

I've been reading through this forum for the past few days and would like to confirm if what I’ve understood so far is correct. Here’s my personal context:

I’m currently in the IFR phase of training, with just a few months left before my checkride and APS MCC course. I passed all 13 EASA ATPL subjects in Switzerland and have already completed the aUPRT course, Night VFR rating, VFR/IFR RT certificate, and ELP Level 6. I also hold the Medical Class 1 (EASA). By the time I finish, I should have obtained the CPL/IR with ME-IR (with 220 total flight hours, 40 of which are on the sim) and, of course, the APS MCC.

That being said, and please correct me if I’m wrong, my next steps to be eligible to apply to FZ are as follows:

• Apply to CAE for the flydubai Second Officer Programme.
• Attend the two day assessments.
• If I receive positive feedback, confirm my availability for the TR on the 73 and pay the tuition fees (around USD 30'000).
• Move to the UAE for seven weeks.
• Successfully pass all checkrides.
• Get assessed on the final check by two examiners one from CAE and one from FZ.
• If I pass with the CAE examiner, I will likely receive a contract offer from FZ.
• Return to Switzerland to get the 73 rating endorsed under my EASA license.
• Go back to the UAE to sit for 14 GCAA exams, including 200 hours ground theory and the medical (around USD 5000).
• Finally, wait to be called by FZ.

Additionally, based on other posts in this thread, I should use the Latest Pilot Jobs Emirates training package to prepare for the two-day assessment at CAE.

For anyone familiar with the upcoming batches: what would be the most feasible time to expect placement in a batch? I anticipate completing my training by the end of February or March.

Originally Posted by jumpseater254 (Post 11889993)

Correct me if I am wrong but I think the 220 hours should be actual flight time without sim

Originally Posted by CAndreani (Post 11796546)

Hi all!

I've been reading through this forum for the past few days and would like to confirm if what I’ve understood so far is correct. Here’s my personal context:

I’m currently in the IFR phase of training, with just a few months left before my checkride and APS MCC course. I passed all 13 EASA ATPL subjects in Switzerland and have already completed the aUPRT course, Night VFR rating, VFR/IFR RT certificate, and ELP Level 6. I also hold the Medical Class 1 (EASA). By the time I finish, I should have obtained the CPL/IR with ME-IR (with 220 total flight hours, 40 of which are on the sim) and, of course, the APS MCC.

That being said, and please correct me if I’m wrong, my next steps to be eligible to apply to FZ are as follows:

• Apply to CAE for the flydubai Second Officer Programme.
• Attend the two day assessments.
• If I receive positive feedback, confirm my availability for the TR on the 73 and pay the tuition fees (around USD 30'000).
• Move to the UAE for seven weeks.
• Successfully pass all checkrides.
• Get assessed on the final check by two examiners one from CAE and one from FZ.
• If I pass with the CAE examiner, I will likely receive a contract offer from FZ.
• Return to Switzerland to get the 73 rating endorsed under my EASA license.
• Go back to the UAE to sit for 14 GCAA exams, including 200 hours ground theory and the medical (around USD 5000).
• Finally, wait to be called by FZ.

Additionally, based on other posts in this thread, I should use the Latest Pilot Jobs Emirates training package to prepare for the two-day assessment at CAE.

For anyone familiar with the upcoming batches: what would be the most feasible time to expect placement in a batch? I anticipate completing my training by the end of February or March.

Originally Posted by jumpseater254 (Post 11892529)

Is anyone familiar with organisations in Europe that can provide base training for EASA CPL candidates other than BAA? What is the approximate cost for the base training? If I convert my license to a different country, do I still have to do the base training and have the TR endorsed on my EASA license or can I get it endorsed on my other foreign license and skip the base training.

Originally Posted by Flyinghigh320 (Post 11338799)

HI Sushiwaster, what is the update on the assesment, I just received an Email and i would like to ask your help for assessment

Originally Posted by cat123 (Post 11769400)

use the latest pilot jobs for the practice.
you would require to read the explanation given for all the ATPL questions as the answers / options they provide are not the same. if time permits, read the Ace Technical Pilot book.
Be careful with the time.
SIM is straightforward if you go prepared as per the PPT they provide.

There are some staff from CAE whom you would be intracting behave as if they are doing us a favor!

Originally Posted by kazehyy (Post 11929570)

hi, a very very naiive question from me, but do you guys think they would terminate all second officer vacancies due to the new ab initio pilot program flydubai has started recently?

Originally Posted by souabnim (Post 11392189)

Hello Everyone!

I did the second officer program assessment in 2021 and passed. I decided to delay the start of the Type rating as Fly Dubai recently increased the Max age limit from 29 to 35 years old.

Here are the details:







Currently when you open the Flydubai Pilot, second officer page and click on apply now, it will direct you to CAE's website but no clear indication of how to get started. I recommend you email the following person:

To: Nigina Surkova

nigina.surkova @ cae.com

AND

CC: Deborah Alberetulage

deborah.alberetulage @ cae.com


and in the email subject type: Fly Dubai Second Officer Program.

In the email, mention your name and that you would like to apply for the program and request the requirements so you can submit your application.

____________________________________________________________ __________________________

Here is how this program works:

1)This program requires that you have:

CPL ME/IR from any ICAO state with 220 total hours(recently updated, previously was 250 hours).
1st Class Medical
MCC Course ( JOC not required because it's part of the type rating)(recently removed from the page, maybe a typo, but definitely still required)
ATPL theory( this can also be done after the type rating for those without this requirement)- Those with EASA.UK CAA or other ATPL credit will still be required to redo it with Fujairah Aviation Academy9 2-3 Months and $5000)

So you will require the MCC to apply! Preferably on a 737 for your own benefit in the assessment but not required.

2) After submitting your application, you will be invited for the assessment. The assessment is done in Dubai, and is a 2 day assessment. They will charge you $1000 for the assessment costs after you confirm the dates you can attend.

Day 1: Assessment consists of a simulator assessment on the B737NG Full motion Level D simulator ( See comments below for sim assessment description) - In CAE simulator facility, Dubai Silicon Oasis.
Day 2: Compass test and Psychometric test(all done on a computer) in Emirates Airlines headquarters. CAE is owned by Emirates and they conduct the assessment, so do not go for the Fly Dubai assessment package. As per the following website, which is used for the preparation of this day ( latest pilot job- Emirates assessment, sorry had to remove the URL to post, new member :) )



Results of the assessment are revealed within a week or 2 weeks.


3) When the assessment is successful, you can schedule your 737 Type Rating with CAE. They want you to begin the Type rating within 1 year.

Type rating is about 2 months long(56 days) and costs $33,000. 50% has to be paid for seat confirmation when you agree on a date and the other 50% 10 working days before beginning the type rating.

At the end of the type rating, during the exam, two examiners will be present. One examiner representing CAE for the Type Rating endorsement, and a second examiner representing Fly Dubai for the second officer assessment.

At the end of the simulator session, they will inform you if both are a pass!



4) This step I don't know a lot about, but this is what I know so far: After successfully passing the Type rating, Fly Dubai will invite you for another formal interview, and at this point they might have a few additional requirements before you start with them as a co-pilot(second officer).

For example: They might require you to do Base training on a 737 depending on license requirements for type rating endorsement. For example EASA license holders will have to complete this in Europe on their expense.


5) When you begin with FlyDubai, you will have to complete 30 sectors before you are released in the line. During this time the salary might only be 12,000dhs a month total, but this phase should not take long. you can complete 4 sectors in 1 day flying in the Gulf region.

When fully released, the salary becomes 20,000dhs a month TOTAL, until you complete 1500 hours on the 737, thats when your ATPL will be unfozen and pay will increase to 40,000 dhs a month(including housing and flying pay). It takes 2 to 2.5 years to complete these hours.

Sim description:

2-day CAE Assessment
Day 1: CAE Dubai Silicon Oasis Branch (Simulator Assessment B737NG Level D):

 Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then you’ll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, that’s okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!



Cost Planning : $1k for the assessment + $33k for the Type rating (Does not include housing, food) + $5k for GCAA ATPL theory + Base training(6 Touch and Gos) if your license requires it for license validation into a UAE GCAA license.

Note: The notes above were sent as an email to a friend that inquired on the program, hope it's useful for everyone, and excuse any mistakes.

Originally Posted by Skying (Post 11942794)

Hi all,
On the computer testing day of the the 2 day assessment (aptitude, COMPASS etc.), do they give joystick and pedals or is it just mouse and keyboard?
Also, is there any interview at any point during those 2 days?

Originally Posted by Eva_unit_001 (Post 11942951)

Hey, Thanks so much for the info. Was wondering about your timeline into the program. How long did it take for you to get an assessment date from when you submitted your docs and if you have received a class date yet? Thanks!

Originally Posted by NextGen737 (Post 11941672)

Originally Posted by Breall61 (Post 11943509)

Hey these are great insights! Thank you! Just wondering what material did you use to review for the assessment particularly the advanced compass test and psychometric. All the best!