Fly Dubai Second Officer Programme

[Lep17]

Does anyone know what is tested on the aptitude test for the 737 initial TR for Flydubai?

I understand as far as now that before starting the TR in CAE you must pass an aptitude test, I’ve been looking for answers but nothing is updated because it was recently continued again.

if anyone has some advice for passing this aptitude test it will be much appreciated =)

[A320LGW]

How do you apply? When I hit "apply" on their website it takes me to a CAE page but there's nowhere to apply on it.

[Lep17]

Originally Posted by A320LGW

How do you apply? When I hit "apply" on their website it takes me to a CAE page but there's nowhere to apply on it.

Contact CAE in Dubai directly you just apply for the TR of the 737NG, as I understand if you pass everything 1st attempt you get to interview with flydubai. Best of luck

[A320LGW]

Originally Posted by Lep17

Contact CAE in Dubai directly you just apply for the TR of the 737NG, as I understand if you pass everything 1st attempt you get to interview with flydubai. Best of luck

So where does the bond come into play if you must do thr 737 TR on your own and then interview later? I read on the flydubai website they pay for the training and there is a 36,000 USD bond

[Lep17]

That might be for a first officer, as a second officer you pay for your training which is around 20,000 USD you must have your CPL,IR, ATPL frozen or in the u.s. ATP-CTP plush 250 he tt

[IFLYyouBREATH]

11. The candidate should do UAE Frozen ATPL Theory of 250 hrs (Ground School) prior to joining Flydubai

[Lep17]

Originally Posted by Sushiwaster

Hey guys, from what I know so far for the initial assessment we will have an advance compass test, psychometric test, panel interview and FFS session on the 737NG (SID, Radial intercept, Steep turns, then vectors for ILS and one visual pattern. Will be going for the assessment at the start of sept, will be glad to update with more information then if y'all would like that. Hope it helps, Cheers!

Do you what's in the psychometric test, I found it on latest pilots and it has ATP questions from easa.
I've heard FOs don't do that test, so I just wanted to know exactly what they test on the psychometric or compass test.

[Mohammedd777]

UAE frozen ATPL

Hey guys, I have a question and I hope I get an answer ASAP, I have done my EASA frozen ATPL ( Integrated ATPL ) in Spain and I want to join the Flydubai's program. According to the requirement ( I should have a UAE frozen ATPL theory ). I want to know Should I do the exams ONLY? or Should I have to do 250hrs of Ground school and the exams together?
( this question is for anyone who did the program or to anyone who's going to do it and he/she is in the same situation ? )

I have tried to ask CAE about this and they are not sure exactly how it goes in Flydubai

Thank you guys!!

[Lep17]

Originally Posted by Mohammedd777

Hey guys, I have a question and I hope I get an answer ASAP, I have done my EASA frozen ATPL ( Integrated ATPL ) in Spain and I want to join the Flydubai's program. According to the requirement ( I should have a UAE frozen ATPL theory ). I want to know Should I do the exams ONLY? or Should I have to do 250hrs of Ground school and the exams together?
( this question is for anyone who did the program or to anyone who's going to do it and he/she is in the same situation ? )

I have tried to ask CAE about this and they are not sure exactly how it goes in Flydubai

Thank you guys!!

I believe you will only have to do the GCAA exams as EASA and GCAA is pretty much a copy paste, speak to fujairah aviation academy and let them know you have a easa frozen how ever they might have the info, I absolutely do not recommend taking the exams with them, alpha aviation does the exams only in Sharjah for a much better price.
​​​​​​i hope this helps

[Flyinghigh320]

HI Sushiwaster, what is the update on the assesment, I just received an Email and i would like to ask your help for assessment

[souabnim]

Flydubai Second Officer assessment, sim, and cost details.

Hello Everyone!

I did the second officer program assessment in 2021 and passed. I decided to delay the start of the Type rating as Fly Dubai recently increased the Max age limit from 29 to 35 years old.

Here are the details:







Currently when you open the Flydubai Pilot, second officer page and click on apply now, it will direct you to CAE's website but no clear indication of how to get started. I recommend you email the following person:

To: Nigina Surkova

nigina.surkova @ cae.com

AND

CC: Deborah Alberetulage

deborah.alberetulage @ cae.com


and in the email subject type: Fly Dubai Second Officer Program.

In the email, mention your name and that you would like to apply for the program and request the requirements so you can submit your application.

____________________________________________________________ __________________________

Here is how this program works:

1)This program requires that you have:

CPL ME/IR from any ICAO state with 220 total hours(recently updated, previously was 250 hours).
1st Class Medical
MCC Course ( JOC not required because it's part of the type rating)(recently removed from the page, maybe a typo, but definitely still required)
ATPL theory( this can also be done after the type rating for those without this requirement)- Those with EASA.UK CAA or other ATPL credit will still be required to redo it with Fujairah Aviation Academy9 2-3 Months and $5000)

So you will require the MCC to apply! Preferably on a 737 for your own benefit in the assessment but not required.

2) After submitting your application, you will be invited for the assessment. The assessment is done in Dubai, and is a 2 day assessment. They will charge you $1000 for the assessment costs after you confirm the dates you can attend.

Day 1: Assessment consists of a simulator assessment on the B737NG Full motion Level D simulator ( See comments below for sim assessment description) - In CAE simulator facility, Dubai Silicon Oasis.
Day 2: Compass test and Psychometric test(all done on a computer) in Emirates Airlines headquarters. CAE is owned by Emirates and they conduct the assessment, so do not go for the Fly Dubai assessment package. As per the following website, which is used for the preparation of this day ( latest pilot job- Emirates assessment, sorry had to remove the URL to post, new member )



Results of the assessment are revealed within a week or 2 weeks.


3) When the assessment is successful, you can schedule your 737 Type Rating with CAE. They want you to begin the Type rating within 1 year.

Type rating is about 2 months long(56 days) and costs $33,000. 50% has to be paid for seat confirmation when you agree on a date and the other 50% 10 working days before beginning the type rating.

At the end of the type rating, during the exam, two examiners will be present. One examiner representing CAE for the Type Rating endorsement, and a second examiner representing Fly Dubai for the second officer assessment.

At the end of the simulator session, they will inform you if both are a pass!



4) This step I don't know a lot about, but this is what I know so far: After successfully passing the Type rating, Fly Dubai will invite you for another formal interview, and at this point they might have a few additional requirements before you start with them as a co-pilot(second officer).

For example: They might require you to do Base training on a 737 depending on license requirements for type rating endorsement. For example EASA license holders will have to complete this in Europe on their expense.


5) When you begin with FlyDubai, you will have to complete 30 sectors before you are released in the line. During this time the salary might only be 12,000dhs a month total, but this phase should not take long. you can complete 4 sectors in 1 day flying in the Gulf region.

When fully released, the salary becomes 20,000dhs a month TOTAL, until you complete 1500 hours on the 737, thats when your ATPL will be unfozen and pay will increase to 40,000 dhs a month(including housing and flying pay). It takes 2 to 2.5 years to complete these hours.

Sim description:

2-day CAE Assessment
Day 1: CAE Dubai Silicon Oasis Branch (Simulator Assessment B737NG Level D):

 Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then you’ll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, that’s okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!



Cost Planning : $1k for the assessment + $33k for the Type rating (Does not include housing, food) + $5k for GCAA ATPL theory + Base training(6 Touch and Gos) if your license requires it for license validation into a UAE GCAA license.

Note: The notes above were sent as an email to a friend that inquired on the program, hope it's useful for everyone, and excuse any mistakes.

[kox0111]

What are the odds of pilots getting job with FlyDubai after completion of TR?
Because paying out around 40000 USD its not an easy thing if you finish without a job at the end...

[souabnim]

Originally Posted by Mohammedd777

Hey guys, I have a question and I hope I get an answer ASAP, I have done my EASA frozen ATPL ( Integrated ATPL ) in Spain and I want to join the Flydubai's program. According to the requirement ( I should have a UAE frozen ATPL theory ). I want to know Should I do the exams ONLY? or Should I have to do 250hrs of Ground school and the exams together?
( this question is for anyone who did the program or to anyone who's going to do it and he/she is in the same situation ? )

I have tried to ask CAE about this and they are not sure exactly how it goes in Flydubai

Thank you guys!!

Salam Mohammed,

According to those that did the assessment with myself and are now flying with Flydubai, as I stayed in touch with them. They had to do the GCAA ATPL with Fujeirah Aviation Academy, reduced groundschool hours of 220 distance learning and 30 in a classroom, total 250hours. Cost is 18,000Dhs. Also they were in similar shoes as you and they had already done their EASA ATPL. This requirement was done by them after successfully completing the Type Rating.

Hope that helps.

[souabnim]

I posted a reply same day you asked your question but it seems that it didn't go through.

I was told by the Training Director who gave us the assessment simulator brief that Majority make it, not sure if someone actually gave me this figure or just what I understood, but likely to be 85-90%+ make it through to Fly Dubai, Also he said those that didn't make it had weak CRM/MCC skills and/or very weak performance/Knowledge. Otherwise I agree that it would be an expensive Type Rating without the Job. The course also includes a lot of hours, over 50 Full Flight Simulator hours, to help everyone succeed. It's also understandable that Fly Dubai wants Good pilots, who will eventually become Captains and not just career first officers.

One of the guys who passed the assessment and finished the Type rating and got the job, had been out of flying for 9+ years, he did his flight review and made it through the Type Rating and will soon be in the right seat.

Hope that helps.

[kox0111]

I understand, thank you for response tho...

My biggest problem here is because I have a validation of my licence in UAE but they still want me to do 250hr ground school ATPL and 14 exams which doesnt make sense since my licence is recognized by UAE GCAA..
If there was not that thing I would surely go for it with some bank loan or something... I suppose total cost without that conversion would be like 1k+33k+5k(2 days + 56 days stay in UAE + 2 return airplane tickets)= 39k...

[souabnim]

Originally Posted by kox0111

I understand, thank you for response tho...

My biggest problem here is because I have a validation of my licence in UAE but they still want me to do 250hr ground school ATPL and 14 exams which doesnt make sense since my licence is recognized by UAE GCAA..
If there was not that thing I would surely go for it with some bank loan or something... I suppose total cost without that conversion would be like 1k+33k+5k(2 days + 56 days stay in UAE + 2 return airplane tickets)= 39k...

The main requirement is to have good knowledge of the ATPL subjects, which is proven by doing the ATPL theory exams. In the past, a few years before Covid-19, those that had done the ATPL theory in their country were accepted as equivalent. Obviously those with a FAA license or from countries that don’t follow the “ATPL theory” system, had to do the GCAA ATPL exams anyways. But for some reason, now everyone has to do(or redo) it. It also brought more business to Flydubais partner Fujeirah Aviation Academy.

Also, because of my instructing experience, and meeting an exception the GCAA made, I can get a UAE GCAA license by only doing two written exams, the license is valid but still doesn’t meet Fly Dubais requirement.


I still think Flydubai is a good deal, and they probably have the best pay of a “low cost” airline.

You can consider WIZZ air AbuDhabi, they still require ATPL theory(EASA or UAE GCAA), and their pay is not that great. Maybe the only advantage is that the initial investment is lower compared to Fly Dubai.

also Air Arabia’s T3 academy has a program for getting the type rating and 750 hours on the A320 for about 155k AED. Also still requires ATPL theory from any country.


btw what was the process like for you to get the license validation? And from which license did you do that?

all the best!

[kox0111]

Its my friends ICAO license, but we have the same thing so I suppose they would accept it the same way..
Unfortunately aviation these days came to the point where airliners can scam you easily to earn money and you cant do anything about it...
They require more and more training like AUPRT MCC JOC TR and other stuff so they don't have to pay for it...
I understand that for example you should pass AirLaw but all 14 is a joke and its made only for making ATO some money...

We cant get job anywhere today unfortunately without having additional 40k to invest... and to pray they are not just gonna reject us at the interview...

[ssongyj]

Originally Posted by souabnim

Hello Everyone!

I did the second officer program assessment in 2021 and passed. I decided to delay the start of the Type rating as Fly Dubai recently increased the Max age limit from 29 to 35 years old.

Here are the details:







Currently when you open the Flydubai Pilot, second officer page and click on apply now, it will direct you to CAE's website but no clear indication of how to get started. I recommend you email the following person:

To: Nigina Surkova

nigina.surkova @ cae.com

AND

CC: Deborah Alberetulage

deborah.alberetulage @ cae.com


and in the email subject type: Fly Dubai Second Officer Program.

In the email, mention your name and that you would like to apply for the program and request the requirements so you can submit your application.

____________________________________________________________ __________________________

Here is how this program works:

1)This program requires that you have:

CPL ME/IR from any ICAO state with 220 total hours(recently updated, previously was 250 hours).
1st Class Medical
MCC Course ( JOC not required because it's part of the type rating)(recently removed from the page, maybe a typo, but definitely still required)
ATPL theory( this can also be done after the type rating for those without this requirement)- Those with EASA.UK CAA or other ATPL credit will still be required to redo it with Fujairah Aviation Academy9 2-3 Months and $5000)

So you will require the MCC to apply! Preferably on a 737 for your own benefit in the assessment but not required.

2) After submitting your application, you will be invited for the assessment. The assessment is done in Dubai, and is a 2 day assessment. They will charge you $1000 for the assessment costs after you confirm the dates you can attend.

Day 1: Assessment consists of a simulator assessment on the B737NG Full motion Level D simulator ( See comments below for sim assessment description) - In CAE simulator facility, Dubai Silicon Oasis.
Day 2: Compass test and Psychometric test(all done on a computer) in Emirates Airlines headquarters. CAE is owned by Emirates and they conduct the assessment, so do not go for the Fly Dubai assessment package. As per the following website, which is used for the preparation of this day ( latest pilot job- Emirates assessment, sorry had to remove the URL to post, new member )



Results of the assessment are revealed within a week or 2 weeks.


3) When the assessment is successful, you can schedule your 737 Type Rating with CAE. They want you to begin the Type rating within 1 year.

Type rating is about 2 months long(56 days) and costs $33,000. 50% has to be paid for seat confirmation when you agree on a date and the other 50% 10 working days before beginning the type rating.

At the end of the type rating, during the exam, two examiners will be present. One examiner representing CAE for the Type Rating endorsement, and a second examiner representing Fly Dubai for the second officer assessment.

At the end of the simulator session, they will inform you if both are a pass!



4) This step I don't know a lot about, but this is what I know so far: After successfully passing the Type rating, Fly Dubai will invite you for another formal interview, and at this point they might have a few additional requirements before you start with them as a co-pilot(second officer).

For example: They might require you to do Base training on a 737 depending on license requirements for type rating endorsement. For example EASA license holders will have to complete this in Europe on their expense.


5) When you begin with FlyDubai, you will have to complete 30 sectors before you are released in the line. During this time the salary might only be 12,000dhs a month total, but this phase should not take long. you can complete 4 sectors in 1 day flying in the Gulf region.

When fully released, the salary becomes 20,000dhs a month TOTAL, until you complete 1500 hours on the 737, thats when your ATPL will be unfozen and pay will increase to 40,000 dhs a month(including housing and flying pay). It takes 2 to 2.5 years to complete these hours.

Sim description:

2-day CAE Assessment
Day 1: CAE Dubai Silicon Oasis Branch (Simulator Assessment B737NG Level D):

 Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then you’ll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, that’s okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!



Cost Planning : $1k for the assessment + $33k for the Type rating (Does not include housing, food) + $5k for GCAA ATPL theory + Base training(6 Touch and Gos) if your license requires it for license validation into a UAE GCAA license.

Note: The notes above were sent as an email to a friend that inquired on the program, hope it's useful for everyone, and excuse any mistakes.

Hello, Souabnim.
Thanks a lot for your info. It was what I was looking exactly.
I have some more question about the assessments.
Could you tell me either your email or whats app please?

[cruisepower]

Guys are being offered start date as early as 1 month after completing the type rating.

[B7789]

If you guys know ;
When they say 35years old maximum, does it include 35years until the day you have 36. Or when you're 35years old it's over?
Is it just at the time you submitted your application, you will be invited for the assessment ?
I am very interested, by joining, i used to live in UAE and i'd love to go back.