Who ever posted $27000 is dreaming as that is @ 100K AED, that might of been the month that the profit share was included.
The web site does not reflect the current situation, DEC are coming ,soon, but not in the hugh #'s as you might think. Put it this way- EK will have problems getting all that they would like because the pass rate will not be great, that is what the stats say. A word of advice for those DEC's that do come - dont slack off once you are on line, you will be checked for the first 9 months . including no notice check rides with standards,fail once - pressure is on , fail a 2nd time - gone packing

I'm guessing their company email???

inciter:

I cannot imagine what toilet-bowl abortion you evolved from to make such an outrageous statement. No Emirates TRE would ever consider acting as shamefully as you suggest.

You have proficiently succeeded in ensuring the opposite effect of your pathetic desire. No doubt, ICAO and the UAE GCAA will now be aware that the integrity of the Emirates Airline may be compromised due to the possibility of manipulated DEC pilot selection/training in order to placate disgruntled First Officers. These entities will now more closely monitor Emirates pilot training. Ironically, any sub-standard First Officers will be more exposed.

On the very, very, slight chance that any renegade Emirates TRE may subscribe to your retaliatory methods, I suggest that any DEC who fails selection or training and feels they may have been discriminated against in any Emirates simulator, submits a detailed report to the respective civil aviation legislative authorities.

In the USA the Pilot Record Improvement Act 1996 (PRIA) is in place. The Act requires all airlines to provide training records, including simulator reports, of any former employee, before that person can be recruited by a US airline. In anticipation of any replies to this post that the requirement to produce records only applies to US airlines, it does not. Emirates flies to the USA, therefore, FAA inspectors may request training records from Emirates and take the appropriate action should Emirates not comply and/or the records are determined to be false.

Inciter, I suggest you pursue your cause with Emirates management rather than hoping that TRE's act illegally on your behalf.

That was my reaction, FB, but then I did the math.

A TRE with on 10th increment, doing 104 hrs and 17 training duties (which they are!!) recieving housing and ERP on, say AUDs does indeed pull 90+k DHS.

$27k would still be a helluva good month, but not inconcievable.

TOMMY TILT... Outstanding..!!
 

To Anyone Who's Not A Space Cadet :suspect:...

TOMMY TILT'S - Post is one of the best in recent memory...:D

Well done Sir... Respect for stating the obvious.. and protecting the integrity of the training department...
The embracement of common decency and integrity that you choose to mention and infer... simply seems to be missing from so many Flight Decks around the globe at present...

Nice to see a person of substance make a suite of comments worth reading for once..!!

If you and your ilk are the individuals responsible for assessing prospective candidates (right or left seat)... Then they are in good hands..!

Well Done...

Regards
Scotty D:p

Funny...

This thread just proves that pilots are all the same, no matter if on Emirates or Ryanair or Air China. Everybody just looks to your own career. Experienced F/O's hate DEC's, Long Haul guys "look down" to Low Cost ones. And many don't realize that YOU can be the one looking for a better job in the very near future.

Never say never... And don't forget that you ARE NOT the eagle that you think you are!

Fly safe.

"- A minimum of 7000 hours total flying time (only front seat time on turboprop and/or turbojet aircraft can be counted).
- A minimum of 3000 hours command time on multi-crew, multi-engine commercial jet aircraft with an MTOW of 50 tonnes or more."

Are there many FOs in EK that have these hours? Just asking, not trying to put gasoline on the fire...

Fuel Dump...you are the man! Let me sign below your words! Great!

Safe flights!

GoAround_Flaps20

Tommy tilt and Scotty Dog,

Well said I fully agree

Fuel Dump nailed it!

PG

HAHAH I guess a bunch of Ryanair captains agree with you wholeheartedly Fuel Dump, fancy that!

As far as screening DEC's, if it's the same level as EK took last round, it won't exactly be a chore to justify failing them. If anything the selection TRE's must have been bending over backwards to get them in, not keep them out.

As a former DEC I do not have a problem with EK hiring them, what I think is wrong is lowering the criteria from 10k 3k on an EK type. Under the previous criteria ie last weeks rules, they would have been experienced on type and most likely experienced in similar flying to EK ops. These type of pilots would be a useful addition to the operation.

Under this weeks rules that is not necessary going to be the case.

What is also frustrating is a lot of people already here meet the criteria for DEC now but are frozen waiting for 3 years.

I cannot find anything on their website either.If and when it does,I guess they will do so only because the airline needs DEC to keep up with the expansion plans and also give their F/O's a fair chance...i.e.. they may lower the requirements for their F/O's too.And yes,new guys would be at the bottom of the seniority list.Good luck to all the upgrading F/O's.
Can anyone jot down new requirements about which we are discussing here?

"What is also frustrating is a lot of people already here meet the criteria for DEC now but are frozen waiting for 3 years."

So a lot of guys with 5-6 years as captains on the 737 or 320 has joined EK as FOs? Where did they come from? Wonder why didn't they apply to SQ Cargo as DEC on the 744 instead since they met the requirements and we have hired a lot of guys the last couple of years.

Patty,

Probably because EK offer better long term prospects than SQ cargo especially after the way the expats were treated in mainline...

And for your info yes there are quite a few people within the company who meet the requirements except the 3 years in the company...

Rgds.

Go to Welcome to Emirates Group Careers Centre - Work for Emirates and click on Pilot Jobs. Click Apply Now. Register. On Page 02 of the application under “Position Applied For” the pulldown choices are CAPTAIN, FIRST OFFICER and SFI/SFE. Pick CAPTAIN. Below that it will say “If there are no opportunities for Direct Entry Captains, do you wish to be considered for a position as First Officer?” Select Yes or No. Bob’s your uncle.

"Probably because EK offer better long term prospects than SQ cargo"

Exactly. Even if you have to wait four years for your wide body command. Nice to hear someone admit that instead of the usual bitching about being "shafted" "screwed" etc etc


"And for your info yes there are quite a few people within the company who meet the requirements except the 3 years in the company..."

Well, then the company should of course give these guys an upgrade before resorting to DECs. But, would the other FOs prefer that THEY jump the queue rather than DECs doing it?

DECs were a disaster last time around with supposedly high time pilots. What kind of pilots are we going to get with 3000 PIC and just narrow body domestic pilots?
As has been said before on the website there is no need for these DECs whatsoever. That being said when these "qualified" DECs come into Emirates they will not be well received to say the least. That is just human nature.
Pilots are their own worst enemies and this is just another example of the downward spiral of the industry. We only have ourselves to blame and the DECs in particular.
Caveat emptor

You guys keep making the argument that it was a disaster the last time they took DEC's, sorry but the numbers just don't back that claim, 20% failure rate is actually very good compared with all other companies that hire DEC's what do you think is the pass rate at KAL? Asiana? Air Japan? Sin Cargo? And about how they will be welcomed, It is the same story at every DEC job available out there, they will thrive and earn the respect of their colleagues just like you will if and when you move on from EK, because as an expat there is no permanency in ANY job, at some point you will want to have some variety in your life and unless you go back to UCAL at the bottom of the pile earning next to nothing, you will also go for a DEC position. The upgrade program will continue guys, you don't seem to realize that they will need DEC due to the growth, you will get your turn, is not either or, it's both.

Failure rate was not 20% more like 70% for DEC at interview. The sim profile is where most fall. Don't know where the 20% came from but its total rubbish.

That was refering to the failure rate on course for those that got through selection.

Guessing that if they do hire DEC's it will be a small number to cover a short term shortage in training needs. They will pick and choose those with WB command and that it is. I highly doubt we will see any 737 captains joining us a DEC's.

If you want proof look at the past - how many DEC's do we see and certainly no large grouping of them on the seniority list.

DEC
 

DEC will be a short term solution but as sad as it looks , it the way to cover the numbers at EK.

Christ, I can't wait to apply, it'll be fun working with all these people.

DEC may put back some promotion prospects but, if that what the company wants....

If you think about it, aviation is one of the few professions where you are expected to start at the bottom again when you change company.

Would a surgeon moving hospitals expect to be a junior again ?

A surgeon or any other professional does not base his pay, vacation and bidding based on senority. Pilots do and hence a senority list.
The reason the industry sucks besides us pilots being complete tossers is airlines don't have to pay market rates or industry standard when they can just bring a DEC in from a !!!!e company (jumping the senority list) and pay him less than Market Rates.
Good airlines' pilots have figured this out and ban DECs for very good reasons. Besides the ethical issues they suppress wages.
Having a look back at EK one will also notice the company does not save any training costs if they have that much of a failure rate and require additional training.
Does anyone know if TCAS buddies are looking for a job? We all know that EK does not need any DECs so one has to wonder why EK is bringing in the DECs. TCAS would know.

And not so at most other airlines around the world. The bottom line is costs. Airlines are around to make money for owners and shareholders. It's the grim reality. I'm not saying I agree with it.

I can see what is being said about DEC's and on the whole I agree. If and when I move on from my current LHS role for the last 8 yrs, I could not afford to move back to a RHS job, nor would I take the risk. If there was a DEC Job available with another carrier, I would take it. Just being honest.

I know I am not alone when I say this.

Opening date
 

Hi Gentelmen, dose anyone knows when EK going to
Open the door for DEC.?

Waiting :ok:

I think the dose is take two Panadols and call me in the morning.
And people wonder why the pass rate is 30%:ugh:

EK may or may not have enough qualified FOs to upgrade, I don't have the numbers. What EK doesn't have is enough instructors... Despite raising the pay for LTCs to just under that of a TRE, very few are applying. So they will turn to DECs with training experience with some lock into training deal. That's my guess.

I do miss 411A and his wisdom on DECs...

So here is my input.

I'm nearer retiring that starting my career. I've done military, civil, long haul, short haul, national airline, charter, major low cost, wide body, narrow body, airbus, boeing including management time and training roles.

The truth is that there are good and bad guys in all areas. Todays long haul captain is tomorrows low cost captain and it works both ways.

There is a certain arrogance in SOME posts here from EK that SOME there think they are better than others. It is quite correct that if recruiting DEC's there should be a high rejection rate at selection; if that high rate continues during training then there is either something wrong with the training or there was something wrong with the selection.

DEC's bring different experiences which can be useful and amongst other things, can help to avoid those within a large company thinking that they are in some way superior - they probably are not. A DEC will inevitably take a little while to become familiar with new destinations but this is not unsafe; if it was how would any airline ever go somewhere new?

A large company like EK can absorb some DEC's and benefit from the experience whilst still leaving the large majority of LHS slots for internal upgrades.

Finally, few of us these days join an outfit as a young F/O and stay there until we retire. Most will at some point leave, quite possibly from the LHS and seek a DEC job somewhere so just cut the hypocritical rubbish.

Be sure to take this line at the interview.

I do not think I at any time mentioned applying.
Don't assume check - one of the golden rules
For the record, I'm not applying as I have a job that pays more and despite ups and downs as in any airline, I am content at present.

I 100% agree gypsy. Why do some people think that every time you join a new airline you must start at the bottom?

How many out there would seriously consider going from a Captain to a Junior FO every time they moved on?

Wait until they are in the LHS I can guarantee they'll see things differently.

And finally the speculation ends...........https://ekgrpapplications.emirates.c...AD3E6059F3E34D:}

I'm quite surprised to see the weight requirement is 50T instead of 55T. I'll bet there will be a huge number of DEC applicants with no time in anything larger than ERJ190/195(over 50T but under 55T). They must have selected 50T with that in mind.

What other modern, EFIS/FMS equipped jets are over 50T but less than 55T that they could be trying to include? I can't think of any. 717IGW maybe, but not sure.

The sarcastic thing about the DEC recruitment is that they (silently) removed accelerated command for guys from within.
Unbelievable if you ask me.
I wonder how much collateral damage this will cause on the FO side.... After all, many guys would qualify straight for the left seat now.

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

54.884 kg to be exact :O

Accelerated FO's that whinge about DEC's really need to take a look in the mirror.

Pilots that DEC really need to take a look in the mirror.
Especially the ones that seem to gravitate to EK.

With all the jobs out there why would a DEC want to come to EK ?