Those considering Emirates
 

I am writing this explaining all the aspects of Emirates that you will not hear from the company for those of you considering Emirates as a pilot. First I will tell you about Emirates and what they do and don’t do then I will tell you about Dubai that you might not be aware of.
I joined Emirates in the neighborhood of a year ago and did not do my homework about the airline or the city like I should have and now I regret it big time. There, that is my disclosure. I was a pilot at a world class carrier that had some financial trouble so I decided to leave. Emirates seemed like a good opportunity at the time and in many regards it is but not if you come from a top-tier airline.
Emirates does not have many things that a typical airline would have. We have no vacation pay, no sick pay, no trip credit, no duty credit, no minimum day, and no pension. Unions are outlawed and the government agency that is supposed to monitor the airline is non-existent. In other words whatever the management wants the airline gets, the pilots be dammed. We have a bidding system on paper but it does not work very well. We are not allowed to transfer aircraft and of course there is only one crew base which is Dubai.
We as pilots get 42 days vacation a year. That is good especially where I come from. The problem is trying to use the vacation when you want it. For two summers now I have not received any summer leave and we all know how hot Dubai gets in the summer. Leave is suppose to be rotated so it would make sense if you did not get summer leave this year you should get it next summer. Fat chance.
Also you can only use three weeks vacation in a row. That is not so bad but if you only use 7 days to 10 days vacation in a month you still work a full flying month and you just burned 7-10 days vacation from you bank. 42 days goes fast that way.
There is no sick pay. You call in sick for a trip and not only do you not get paid for it they can schedule you another trip even on your days off. If you call in sick for a four day trip and you are better after two days you can count on having two days of garbage as a pay back. Crew scheduling remembers everything and writes it all down on your personal page.
There is no duty regs or trip credit. This is not so much a problem at Emirates because they fly efficient patterns. But on the rare occasion where you are laying over for three days in TPI, ACC, KUL, YYZ, or SIN you are not getting paid for it. You only get paid for what you fly and for the most part that is the only way to get paid. We don’t get paid for our own simulator which is twice a year but we do get deadhead pay which we hardly ever do.
If we do a gulf sector that is very short we only get what we fly. So a DOH or BAH trip is only worth 1:50. Most airlines have a 4 –5 hour minimum day but not at Emirates. I must admit most of the flying goes over the 5 hour flying day but now with the wonderful bidding system you can count on a lot more short turns. More on that latter.
We have a retirement program here but it is not very good. My account has not built up very much but you hear of pilots flying here for 10 years and only having $125,000 or so. A close personal friend of mine has been here 6 years and has $67,000. I know the management wanna bees will come out and say there is much bigger but it is not anything what a proper pension should be. After you cash it in you will be lucky to put a down payment on a house. We need more for retirement but of course management is not listening to the pilots but then again they never listen to us.
Emirates is in desperate need of a union. As I mentioned earlier management just does not listen to the pilots. They do whatever they want whenever they want. We have absolutely no say. It is very frustrating to say the least. I know some pilots will say that they are quite happy not having a union here but they are the ones that have probably jumped the seniority list at some point in their career or have been the beneficiary of some management decision.
There is no FAA or CAA here and you can tell from the onset. When we set the brakes after a pattern we are off duty. They did this (because they can) so they can get some long turn arounds in under the duty limit. I understand we use to get 30 mins after brakes set but they did away with this provision for their benefit and so they could do a lot more of very long turn arounds with just two pilots.
We fly a lot of night flying. Not just at night but in the middle of the night. A lot of our patterns leave at 2am and fly all night and get back to Dubai at 6 in the morning a day later. That just kills me. Some pilots adjust but not me. This is something that I did not know and did not come across in my limited research. My bad big time!
Also we fly some long legs with only two pilots in the middle of the night. We go to Beijing and Seoul and leave with two pilots at 2am and fly across the Himalayas. That is just not safe. Try staying awake. It is painful most times and probably has taken years if not decades off my life. No one outside the airline knows this but there is a lot of single pilot flying going on here. One pilot sleeps while the other pilot tries and stays awake and then the roles are reversed. One pilot manning the ship at a time.
The management in their infinite wisdom just messed with the bidding system again. They now state that we can only have 14 days off a month. Why? Who knows the real reason but I am sure jealousy is high up on the list. Also they don’t like commuters and they don’t like for the pilots to have too much time off. They rather we all be tired and crabby so we will leave the airline or be dead. This has screwed up a lot of pilots way of life.
The main determent here is the Direct Entry Captain program. I know Emirates had it before I joined but I did not realize how much it hurts an airline. When it comes to upgrade they can easily say we are going to hire DECs and you just have to wait. A union would come in handy here to stop this program but that will never happen. Pilots on the Airbus are having to wait over a year and a half for their upgrade because some narrow body captain who never has flown outside Europe or the States is coming in and upgrading before them. There are no good airlines in the world that don’t respect seniority. Emirates does not respect seniority. It is a complete slap in the face to the hard working first officers of this airline what the company is doing to us.

Dubai is pretty much a nightmare to get anything done in. The traffic is obscene and bottlenecks everyday in most parts of the city. Try and get something done and it takes you four times as long to get there as it should.
Then you have the idiot drivers. I will leave the nationalities aside but you just can’t believe some of the stunts they pull. You just pray you don’t come across any of them on your daily travels.
God forbid if you get into an accident with any of them. It is your word against theirs and the cops speak Arabic. Everything written is in Arabic and you have no idea what is going on. I hope it does not happen to anyone here but it does everyday and it sucks.
There is no customer service to speak of. Try and return some item that you don’t want or is the wrong size. It can be done but is often an Act of God.
Every store has a security guard posted all through the store. Sometimes they even follow you. At least they do to me, must be because I look suspicious but others have said the same thing. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy all over.
Then there is the runaway inflation in Dubai. Officially it is listed at 12% a year but everyone knows that is a farce. Many items are not included in the official listings and super markets are almost at the point of listing their items in pencil so they can change the prices everyday. Don’t get me wrong it is not Zimbabwe yet but it very frustrating at the same time. Quality of life has gone way done just in the last 6 months not to mention the last 15 months. I can’t imagine what the last 10 years has brought.
Schools, food, rents, water, and almost every item has jumped considerably. The profit share and the pay raises don’t even come close to keeping up with inflation. In just a year I am worse off then when I joined. It just is not worth it and like I said I made a big mistake in coming to Emirates. This memo is to the pilots thinking about coming to Dubai and Emirates so they can think long and hard about such a career move. There are some positives but there are a lot of negatives as well. Do you homework and see what is best for you and your family. Ask your friends how many of them have sent their wives and children back home because of the ills of Dubai. Ask if their wife was on some type of medication. A vast majority of Emirates wives living in Dubai are, after all everyone wants to seem “happy.” Ask the pilots if they are walking zombies because of all the night flying we do. Ask them again if they regret coming. Then ask them from what airline they came from before Emirates to get an accurate picture. Ask ask and ask again. Get the information not from the company but from people you know and make sure they are telling you the truth. In other words don’t ask a management pilot or someone who came from a third tier airline. Emirates is not for everyone but if you do deciede to come, Keep Recovering! and good luck.

Ditto,
Dont forget just how easy it is to pick up a criminal record in Dubai. Then try getting a job back in your home country as a pilot.

Some interesting points there. Some valid others less so. The Aviation industry has changed the world over in the past seven years and for a lot of that time the management have had a strong hand however times change. Some of the conditions you have enjoyed in the past are not available anymore.

If you dont like it in Dubai or with Emirates then leave.

DD

I forgot to metion that EK has a training bond that basically keeps you at the airline. I know I don't live in the states anymore but training bonds are illegal where I come from. Can you imagine the concept, we acknowledge as an airline we are not paying industry standard pay rates so we will use some artificial means to keep you locked in basically agasint your finnicial will. Bondage, think about it, we fought a war over the concept of bondage.
So to answer your question DD I would love to leave but Emirates being the corrupt corporation that they are force you to stay here. Also you must bring up the furniture bond as well as the provident fund which does not muture for 7 years. We should be fully vested in the provident fund on day one.
It must be quite easy for you to say if you don't like it just leave. Must be SA or Canadian or third tier airline aren't you?

Mate there is always another option. Nobody forced you to leave a world class airline.

I left a very good airline as well but I am trying to make the best out of it.

So stop whining like a baby and make a wise decision.

I've said this before.... dont let your big airplane EGO decide for you.... you will regret it.

If you need a job than ok

Upgrades will be pushing 5 years for anyone joining now and dont think you can commute or there will be basings

Inflation is out of control , you will have to add several years to your saving s plan

As AC says, he should have done his research. While I don't doubt that there are certain issues which would be hard to discover ahead of time (except by asking on a forum like this...), I'd have to say that AC's problems are of his own making.

As for Dubai itself, as a place to live it is what you make of it. Admittedly I don't work for Emirates so I have a rather better housing allowance. I still knew I'd be topping up the allowance from salary to pay rent of AED 180,000. I knew what I'd have to pay ahead of time, thanks to the wonders of the internet. Even the driving is something you can work around to some extent - go shopping when the malls and roads are (relatively) quiet! At least you don't have to drive yourself to work, as I do.

I wouldn't have sought to lambast particular nationalities, but AC managed to disparage Canadian, Seth Efricans and everyone from "third tier", for which I read "third world", airlines. Perhaps the medicated wives are mostly American? Perhaps the unrealistic expectations are also an American issue. They are most certainly AC's issue.

And the price of property in Dubai... JEEZ it's insane, not to mention the rents:mad:

Crusader,

Whilst I'm sorry you are not content here, there are a few points you make that need addressing-

Firstly pensions- how many people from the "World class carriers" (read American Majors) you speak of have lost most or all of their pension entitlements, because of the complete inability for an industry to keep paying both their CURRENT and their FORMER employees? How many US carriers still offer a final salary pension scheme for new employees? If the pension contributions given by the company don't meet your requirements, SAVE!!

Sick and Vacation pay- This is a typical example of Americans thinking the whole world acts the same as it is in America. Here, you receive an ANNUAL SALARY for doing your job. If you are sick or go on Vacation, you STILL RECEIVE THAT SALARY. Recently, the company introduced flight pay and, sure enough, it is a consideration you receive when you fly.

Terms like "Trip credit, duty credit, minimum day" are American terms used at American carriers. I've worked in Australia, Japan, Europe and the Middle east. Pay and conditions and the way they are calculated vary from country to country and carrier to carrier. To come to a different country, and then complain because "It's not like this at home" shows a naivety and jingoism that is, unfortunately, not uncommon amounts people from a certain large Western democracy. What matters in the end is how much money ends up in your account. How it is calculated is, in the end, irrelevant.

As for bonds, I've had one on each continent I've worked on. So, as far as "Understanding the concept", try getting the concept that not everything is the same outside the lower 48.

None of the 7 airlines I've worked for in twenty two years have. You're not in Kansas any more....

Now, did your "World class carrier" give you free housing, medical, private education and transport to work? And what WAS the first year wage at that company?How many guys bitching at your old company because they might have to wait 4 years (or is it more like 14??) for a 777 command?

It's not perfect. It's not for everyone. But it is what it is, and is not looking like going broke as have half the "World class carriers", with most of the others looking pretty dodgy.

Pray, how would you know that?
By definition "vast majority" means at least 50% plus 1.
I've been here 8 years plus and I know less than 100 EK wives. You've been here a year and you know about more than 1000 wives? Who are you, the CIA?????

You were right in one issue though. Fekin stupid to come here without asking around first.......I did, and I've no regrets.

Oy....
 

Perhaps he could spend some time on one of those onerous, non-paid layovers learning how to spell Algonquin........

I found out from the clinic just how many people are taking happy pills and other medication. Although I did not get the exact number I was assured it is a vast majority of the wives. Like I said ask the Doctors and find out for yourself. Then ask again.
All that I am trying to do is get the word out so another pilot does not make a mistake in joining under flase pretenses. As I said earlier I did not do my homework. If that is a crime then I am quilty as charged.
Just because some of you worked for some real dodgey companies that did have the items in your contract don't slag me off. In the end don't we all want to make the most money and work the least we can? My old airline did not give me housing or pick me up for work. They did give me free medical and paid me a wage that I could live on with income to spare. We don't get that at Emirates. Thank you for your concern.

And there it is.... Anyone who does anything differently from an American Major is a "Real Dogey Company.".

Mate, I worked for the number two major in Australia and the largest Lo-Co in Europe. Both offered good pay and conditions, just different from what you would be used to.

You did not join under false pretenses, you joined under the terms and conditions as advertised and detailed in your contract. If you were too ignorant to understand it spelled out methodologies different from what you were used to, that is your own lookout.

I also find the idea that the clinic would just toss you information as to who is taking what very unlikely. Why exactley did you ask?

Wizo....big elephant stamp to you for a good rebuttal to another 5000 words of emotive garbage.

The good ol howdy doody boys from the glass house have never had to clean the windows and look out at the rest of the world.

The US economy would be in such a wonderful state at the moment because of......umm.

But big Al..... your fellow introspective compatriates continue to come here, if it's so good in the land of consumption and excess then why???

It's not that bad!!!!:ugh:

Just take a look at the Ozzie dollar exchange rate today !!!! And the big pay day (profit share) next week. Nerves of steel is required when you are an expat.

Whoa enjoying the big bun fight and all, but ya lost me here. The UAE has the world's largest carbon footprint (god I hate that phrase), and takes consumption and excess to levels never even imagined in the good ol' US of A. Kinda rich to be pointing fingers from Dubai. At least Lincoln eventually freed the counterparts to our poor subcontinent friends working away in the 46C heat on the various monuments to greed/ego/stupidity.

Yeah, it is. Dubai has to be the most over-hyped location on the planet. But you have to learn to extract what you can and move on. That's about all this part of the world is good for. "Big Al" may come across as a little naive, but if someone is earnestly trying to tell potential joiners about the Emperors shocking lack of attire, I'll second (third? fourth? five thousandth?) the motion.

Where can I meet some of these medicated wives.........?

i had a buddy with ek whose wife fled dubai. and she is from as third world a country as they come. that's gotta say something about expat wives in dubai. no booze, no pill popping, just ran.

What to do!
 

Actually most of what AC said is part of Dubai's reality. We all came to improve our situation in the first place. But yes some people get a reality check big time when they get here. I've been here long enough to say "I'm happy there is more time behind me then ahead of me here" Don't kid yourself. If you come from a first world country you are actually moving to a developing country to be politically correct. And you bet it is developing. And in the middle east... Hello! This is expat world around here and you are not home. Not easy sometimes I have to agree. When you hear some people around here you think Dubai is the best place on the planet. They truly like Dubai and i can understand in some extend. Well good for them. I wish them a long and prosper life here. But then for others like AC it's not and i think anybody from a first world country can truly understand AC unless they are in denial. There are many types of people around here as you will find when you come here. Who can be the judge. Dubai is what you make it. Sadly all i can say to people like AC is do something about it. Not easy you will say, i know. But the problem is once you are here, you are stuck here no matter where you are from. It's a big move to come here. When i came close to 10 years ago it was a very different place here. The company was very different too. Today it is a very different situation and there are many more points to consider before coming to Dubai. Good luck if you consider Emirates. Do your researches. Don't rush it. The info is out there. This rumor web site is still a very good source of info no matter what some people say. I did it back then, and i am now planning my next move. It's all about timing i guess. I got lucky i guess and a few more years here and bye bye thank you very much...

In the mean time, keep discovering:ok:

[Must be SA or Canadian or third tier airline aren't you?]

Sorry to disappoint but I am not a SA or a Canadian nor did I work for a third tier company. I have worked with many of the above and many are able to adjust learn if required and achieve. Your attitude suggests that you can't.

So as I said previously LEAVE

If you saw my last post you would have known that leaving is no easy task because of what Emirates imposes on us. If Emirates would relieve me of the bonds (previous post) and give me all of my retirement fund (7 years) I would still have the added expense of paying a moving company to pack my things and ship them 7368 miles back home when I have barely paid for my move over to the sand. Thanks for the advice DD.
Ask the Drs. at the clinic about the rate of medication that is being issued. Don't take my word, ask ask and ask again. I have said that many time before.
The Wizoz must be a DEC and has a much different attitude about Emirates and Dubai then I do. The 3 airlines that I previously worked for all had the work rules I described in my post I am sorry that your 7 airlines did not. I would have thought that you would be happy for pilots that enjoy those conditions and try to get those items at your 7 airlines instead of trying to put us down. Is jealousy entering the equation?
So I can't adjust to Emirates and Dubai. I guess that is another crime. Dog breath most of the US pilots coming are the commuter types not from the majors and I will be the first to admit that it is a giant leap up in conditions for them. If they doubled my salary I would probably be adjusting a lot bettter or at least tolerate the treatment here at little easier.

Whaa….Whaaa my diaper’s full. Man up, you just learnt a valuable and expensive lesson in life. Do some research next time……

That is exactly what I am trying to prevent some other poor sap from doing. As for the money I am painfully aware of the lesson learned but thanks for the notion.

AC has been quite forthright in his views. He is simply trying to disseminate information that was either not available or he did not obtain prior to his decision to come to EK. I applaud his honesty and integrity. He makes NO EXCUSES and openly admits he thinks he made a bad decision. That is something not easily done by some, in my opinion.

I do not agree with all his assertions but the overall theme is accurate. For those who fire of the ''then just leave'' posts, try to consider HIS situation and not YOURS. He has explained at great length why leaving is so difficult and if you don't understand those reasons then you will not understand much of anything.

A post like AC's can be invaluable to those considering EK. They can choose to ignore it, deem it not pertinent to their circumstances or use it as a factor in their decision.

If I could suggest something to AC, try to make the best of things. Take the good, do your best to ignore the bad and bide your time. It is very true that when upgrade time rolls around, that will change a great deal for you. Not only does it change things at work, it will improve your quality of life as well. In addition to that, you will shortly thereafter be in a position to more readily leave if that is what you still want.

It is a rollercoaster ride for sure at EK. I am glad I came and glad I stayed but there were times I felt like you do now.

Mensaboy

I do understand that it is difficult to leave but the initial post was full of inaccuracies and the reply was disparaging towards SAFAs Canadians or anyone that has not flown with US Air (his previous) later response stated that he would leave if the company paid 7 years of provident fund etc.
It all sounds like a petulant child that has not got the fortitude to do something positive.

DD

Thanks AC , I have been thinking about Emirates lately , but you can sit back , relax , and know that you`ve helped one pilot avoid making the decision to work for such an Airline , so you`ve helped at least one fellow pilot with your posting. I`m not that desparate. I don`t want to slag the flight crews for their choices , but nothing will change in that part of the world. Once GWB leaves and BHO takes over , you`ll have an America worth going back to. Good luck.

Here is my solution if you really don't like the position you are in:
(if you are fed up with emirates treating you poorly)


1. You obviously have a good current type rating.
2. Find another job that you think has better Pay and Conditions
3. Just after you receive your pay check, hand in resignation (while on leave would work better)
4. Before anyone can arrest you, be on a flight out of there (a different airline)

Screw your bond, forget about outstanding money they owe you.:bored:
Not sure if this is possible there as I am based in another Middle Eastern country and airline, but before I ever take a job in these parts I make sure that I can do this at the drop of a hat. I have seen many pilots do it.
I know it gives us a bad name, and it’s a sad day when one has to do this, but one has to look after himself.
One condition which I think gives you the right to do this is when they seriously do not follow the contract you both signed,

So the big question is: Have they broken the contract you signed?

To say that a bond is illegal in the US is just incorrect and misleading. Many companies employ the tactic in the US to retain staff to cover initial training costs. Some even require you to pay for that training. I have experienced it first hand(training bond) and have many friends in the US who also have.

DD,

I see your point after reading your latest.

(my quote thing never works, sorry)
''It must be quite easy for you to say if you don't like it just leave. Must be SA or Canadian or third tier airline aren't you?''

All I THOUGHT he was saying was that in some areas of the world aviation is in such a poor state of affairs, that EK seems wonderful by comparison. Perhaps I have misread that, but I did not find it to be disparaging.

I just find the ''THEN LEAVE'' sentiment to be wrong. It is not easy to leave especially if only here for a couple of years. Plus, I think leaving at that point, for most pilots, would be counterproductive from a career and financial POV. I can understand why some pilots feel trapped.

AC is pissed off and rightfully so in some cases. He made some valid observations and comments on things the company has done and continues to do to pilots. There are other points such as being followed by a security guard in a store that seem strange to me, but then again........ this is Dubai.


I honestly believe his post was meant to help INFORM those in similar circumstances. I do not believe he is whining. Considering his level of frustration and disappointment, I found his post quite objective actually. He feels he was duped !!


On a further note,
What really pisses ME off is that EK could quite easily be the best flying job on the planet. We should have pilots banging down the doors to come here. There are so many advantages being here, but for some reason management seems to do its best to counter those with stupid policies. I agree that most of the impetus is for cost savings, no matter how misguided they may be, but there is more to it than that. Their is an attitude on the part of management, not conducive to worker loyalty or happiness. And even though the FTL's and lack of pay for some work has the most affect on me, I still believe the DEC policy was the most unnecessary and foolish policy implemented so far.

I found AC's post overall quite accurate and valid.And I feel sorry for him.He is a small percentage and obviously didn't get accurate enough advice.Most of his grievances wont affect many of the new guys as they have mostly come from LCC's and are generally on a better package.AC perhaps you can go and see HR and the clinic and tell them you really hate it and need to get home.Come up with some compassionate reason and I'm sure they will let you go without having to pay the bond.

While I thought that the comparisons with the working conditions of American major carriers a bit over the top (given the state of the American airline industry, I certainly wouldn't hold them up as a shining example to emulate), the initial premise - to do one's homework and know what you're getting yourself into is certainly valid. I can't tell you how many times in the last few months that I've been with a new guy (invariably from the U.S. and almost always from regionals) and as I relate some of the more onerous practices of our employer, just watch their jaws drop. They didn't have a clue.

It's not up to me to tell anyone whether they should be happy or not but anyone considering coming here owes it to themselves and their family to read the fine print and be aware of the negatives as well as the positives. If they then make an educated decision to come to Emirates, they probably will be happy and will certainly be easier to spend the night with somewhere over the Indian Ocean.

But then again, they are nice new 777's........

A.C. you do have some valid points but over all you sound like a cry baby.
Whining because you can't get vacation during the summer after a whole YEAR and a HALF seniority with the company.....wake up dude! Could you bid for week-ends off or 4th of July off in your First Class First World Airline whatever.....after less than 2 years seniority?? :=
Whining that the summers are hot here? Now if you didn't know THAT before coming here, not only you sound like a cry baby but also like.....oh well I don't want to be disrespectful.
I've been flying in your First Class side of the pond too and believe me I did not spend a single week-end with my family for the first 4 years.
Bonds being illegal in the U.S?....Another big fat B.S. I know tons of Airlines in the U.S where you have to sign a bond.
So chill out dude, grab a cold one and consider your First Class world options....sitting home reserve, ready reserve or airport reserve for the next 4 years and guess what?....No week-ends off and you WILL be airport reserve on the 4th of July....
JJ out....

Medicated wifes
 

Not a pilot - but former SMNC RF was forced by his spouse to leave DXB in '04. He returned to the UK to become MAS LHR. After some reality check, same wife insisted on a return to DXB at the first opportunity. RF is back in the NCC and we can't get the smile off his face.

A.C.
What fine airline did you come from in the USA?

As aviation jobs go EK is not too bad.

I believe the issue is with the world economics and the piloting profession.

The days of a good salary for being a heavy jet captain are gone. Worldwide they earn less in real terms than before. The trend is down in almost every aviation job. In Dubai it is exaggerated because the Dirham devalues daily and the inflation climbs in exponential fashion.

The world economy is in a mess because of poor governance from western nations. The eastern nations who are getting rich as a result do not have the depth of experience to spread the wealth. Hence a few get obscenely rich while squeezing the rest to make their billions. Ultimately this will be their downfall as history has shown time and time again. However that is not likely to be in the near future.

EK pilots must realise that they are simply highly paid labour, with minimal rights and ever decreasing economic options. Its not going to change and will in fact get worse as inflation sorts out the rich from the poor and eradicates the middle. See Zimbabwe for an extreme example of this.

You are not protected from exchange rate movements. The ERP fails to do this. It helps but it is a flawed and outdated system. It hasn't succeeded has it?

Inflation is about to explode with the ever decreasing dirham and oil climbing a dollar a day. The fallout from this will take a few months to sink in making our pay rise irrelevant in context.

As for the provident fund. Well thats a joke. It has performed at a rate of 5.5% over the past 10 years. Inflation has taken good care of that. You might have enough to buy a small car at the end of 20 years. Of course if they had simply bought oil or gold with the contributions, we would all be millionaires after 10 years service.

That's a fact.

THANKS TO AC AND OTHERS FOR CONTRIBUTING USEFUL INFORMATIONS FOR MY DECISION MAKING PROCESS. Slowly loosing interest of joining ek.:(

AC didn't work for USAirways. He is busy trying to slam USAirways pilots in the North America forum. Using inaccurate assumptions in the process as well. Sense a pattern here? :hmm:


Typhoonpilot

On a different note,

After meeting the requirements to upgrade, what does a FO have to do to qualify for command?

What does this Command Assessment program involve?

Thanks

Does anyone know how the quality of the working conditions and treatment of maintenance employees are for EK. Thinking about giving it a try. Thank you

You guys in this forum is quite funny. Over the last years I've read a couple of similar posts as AC:s. They are usually followed by the:

Good post!
Accurate!
Well done!
etc etc

But when an American posts it.....

Whoaaa!

Suddenly the majority screams out in defense of EK and Dubai!

And the guy isn't even a DEC....

Interesting.