Thanks.
 

Thanks My Friend Its Verry Nice To Hear The Point Of View Of Some One To See The Wall From The Other Side
I Am 10 Kts Before V1 And You Are Telling Me Part Of The Answer That I M Looking For To Abort Or Conti.
Once Again Thanks Its Verry Helpful Your Coment.

Lalo what's up with the capital letter at the begining of each word??.....

I have never heard of any airline ordering its employees to pay a bond in the US. Some high level managers sometime sign a non compete clause which is also highly suspect in a court of law but I have never heard of any airline "offering" a bond to its pilots. Must be some fly by the night operation just trying to make a buck off some dumb unsuspecting pilot.
Non of the majors give it, non of the commuter that I know off (I could be wrong here though) give a bond and non of the frieght dogs do it either (Fed Ex, UPS, Airborne).
When a comany gives you a bond I would be very careful of what kind of operation I was getting into. Why would an airline do that and what are they trying to prevent by their actions or even inactions?

Mesa Airlines
Great lakes

Both have training contracts. you leave you pay! I dont work for either but I know pilots at both. They are both shotty operators!

How do they ever enforce the payback? They probably don't offer a pension so what are they going to keep from you? Just walk away and tell them you will fight this bond in a court of law big time. I know that will cost money which most commuter pilots don't have but I can not fathom how that is legal. Just because some shotty airline makes you sign a bond does not make it legal and binding don't forget.

It's quite obvious. They want their pound of flesh. They are trying to prevent people coming over to the Emirates, getting a free 777 or 330 conversion and then saying thanks, goodbye. Hell, think about it. Get a job, free accommodation, paid a salary, get the conversion and then leave............If it's just you going, it costs nothing.

Fair play to you AC, a lot of what you say is true and spot on. Even more important, this is from your perspective and just like opinions we all have different perspectives.
Anyone looking to join here has to take all of the perspectives into account. If you are joining from a 'developing nation' somewhere with poor prospects, crappy airlines, yours is going bust or a country going through spin-cycle, then the airline will seem wonderful (for a while).
If you are joining from a developed country or one with good laws, social behaviours, justice system and civil liberties, then your perspective may be in for a shock.
I used to be very happy here, now I grin and bear it :eek: yes I could leave, but it still suits my purposes for a while longer

On the reasonable/unreasonable scale, I think few fair-minded people would suggest that EK's bond isn't waaaaay over towards the 'extremely reasonable' side of the scale. I think it's still the same today as it was when the airline was first formed back in 1985, which, (since everyone here is constantly reminding us), with inflation and the plummeted/ing USD/Dirham, means the 36kUSD reducable over 3 years today represents a fraction of what it did when it was first introduced.

EK could improve quite a few things for its pilot group, but credit where it's due - 36k North American Pesos, reduced monthly from the day you're cleared to the line, is a pretty cheap wide body endorsement for anyone who chooses not to stay on the Sandpit (for whatever reason) for three years after checkout.

If you want to talk unreasonable bonds, take a look (but sit down first!) at the double slug SQ will throw your way if you want to work in Lyin' City. AND you have to cough up a considerable amount of money 'up front' to cover just ONE of the bonds, which you have to deposit into an account they have access to should you do a runner, even one day before your bond period expires.


..............

There's quite a lot of truth (if slightly embellished truth) in what AC said in his initial post, but some of his comments show a (still) amazing ignorance of the region he now lives in.

I thought there would be a few more howls of protest over his assertion that almost each and every one of us comes home to our Jumeirah villas to a 24-hours-a-day-Prozac-addled Jane.

(Maybe THAT explains why my much adored trouble'n'strife is always such a happy individual.)

Are you seated?

The bond at SQ Cargo (same in SQ): 156000 SGD (113000 USD).
You have to provide a bank guarantee of 56000 SGD (41000 USD) in a Singapore bank. No exceptions.

For FO:s: no upgrade unless you go on local terms for two years first which means no housing allowance (rents in Singapore makes Dubai look cheap...), no school allowance so after your upgrade you're more or less back to where you were as an expat FO.

Despite this many of our FO:s are now paying 30000+ USD to get out of the contract and move to:

Emirates

DEC:s or not, EK is still the fastest way to a wide body command and the salary considering no tax, no rent, no utilities looks reasonably attractive.

AC, like many have said here, stop looking at the details of your pay slip. Scroll down to the bottom line. Is it good enough then why bother? I meet guys here in Singapore making the equivalent of 800000 Dirhams a year complaining about not getting transport allowance.:ugh:

Emirates Bond
 

If you ever worked for a US airline you paid for your bond with your first year salary !
At least with Emirates you pay nothing if you stay 3 years . In the US your first year salary is crap , so the airline "Collects" the training cost form you right away.:ouch:

I must have missed something here. (Flak jacket on). ...I go on leave and I still get paid, I have been sick and I still get paid...well at least it seems I do, there is always money in the bank.

Perhaps my pay is not calculated the same as "American Top Line Airlines", with "trip rigs, jigs and gigs" or whatever else they offer. But under the contract I have with EK, they seem to pay me every month.

And thats the big thing....I am reasonably sure that my pay will be in the bank each month....if I was in the Land of the Free at the moment I might be a little worried that I might find out I did not have a job next week.

However..each to thier own. But I dont think you can take a job at EK and then complain that conditions you had before are not "exported" with you.

Got my hat and coat.....Im gone................

Currency peg and oil prices add to inflation

Last Updated: May 03. 2008 5:19PM
Sultan Bin Saeed Al Mansouri, Minister of Economy. Jeffrey E. Biteng / The National

DUBAI // Currency pegs, as well as high oil and food prices, are compounding inflation, said Sultan bin Saeed al-Mansouri, Minister of Economy, on Friday.

The UAE was the first dollar-pegged Gulf state to match Thursday’s US interest rate cut, the seventh since September.

“This phenomenon is an expected product of our region’s economic boom, but is being compounded further by other factors such as globally rising food commodity prices, currency pegs, and excessive oil rates,” said Mr al Mansouri at a conference in Beirut.

“Monetary and exchange rate tools and fiscal options have to be considered with greater caution as they could trigger economic distortions,” he added.

Last month Mr Mansouri said it would be a “miracle” if the UAE meets its five per cent inflation target this year.

The second-largest Arab economy has tried to curb inflation by signing agreements with supermarket chains to fix food prices at 2007 levels. Gulf oil producers have also introduced rent caps, public sector pay rises and food subsidies.

UAE inflation hit a 19-year peak of 9.3 per cent in 2006 and probably accelerated to 10.9 per cent last year, according to an estimate by the National Bank of Abu Dhabi.

“Some countries have opted to turn to a basket of currencies ... Still others are weighing the effects of a currency revaluation,” Mr Mansouri added.

“While there is no single cure for the inflation problem as each nation has its own unique economic structure, the only certain actions we must take are to vigilantly monitor regional and global financial trends and act accordingly,” he added.

- Reuters

Fixing rents, prices and subsidies has never worked and never will. In a year's time they will be blaming the same old culprits but doing nothing about it. They were this time last year weren't they? That led to premature speculation on de-pegging the dirham.

Trouble is they cannot de-peg or revalue - Uncle Sam wont let them because the trillions that the Middle East would then flood onto the market would collapse the USA into a depression and it would not be unable to fund the shield in the Middle East that many Gulf states rely on.

Likewise the very wealthy with their dollar reserves would have them devalued overnight. Who's going to allow that?

So inflation will continue to soar as will rents and food and everything else while the media makes more soothing noises promising the problem will be addressed. It won't.

The public will pick up the tab for bad financial policy imported from the USA. That means less in your pocket every day.

And on the main board, a thread announcing that American Airlines is slashing 12% of capacity and crews. Despite posts like AC's, stand by for another avalanche of applications from the land of Mom an' Apple Pie.

Isn't it funny the way an airline somewhere in the world goes dead ants every time EK is in need of pilots?

Looks like we'all who've bin here a while better start practisin' our "Emirates 1-oh-faive checkin'in, outov 2-5-oh"s, 'cos very soon, despite posts like the one that opened this thread, most EK pilots will be a-talkin' that way.

All the large US carriers will ultimately collapse with the demise of the dollar, oil prices and further deregulation of the skys. They will be replaced by eastern and middle-eastern airlines with whom they cannot compete.

Expectation of salaries will be lower and the profession will take another notch down. Perhaps now is the time to take stock and wonder if another profession might be in order while age and finance still allow a new start.

In 10 years time, these salaries will look very good. Much like they did 10 years ago.

AC is slamming US Airways on another thread....he has yet to accuse thier wives of all being on happy pills as well. Have checked all cupboards here...seems to be a lack of pills apparent!!!

Perhaps we could start a poll on here...Is Your Wife Living in a Drug Induced High? Yes...No...Not Sure..Could Not Care Less, She is Having a Ball.

At least that way we could get a handle on just how many 1000's of wives are living on the high side!!:}

I think AC is problably more correct than many here would like to admit to themselves.

Many Ek wives are on the happy pills, in my sons class at school there are just under half the wives on them, not all EK but I think it is an indication.

If your MRs isnt then well done, but many are.

The EK clinic does hand them out like smarties, so how many of then on them actually need them is a different matter...:ok::ok:

Happy Pills
 

Well if they get them, where are mine?

I want to be happy...........

Fair is fair.

Of course the past year's bonus at Sin Cargo pretty much equals the cash-up-front bond...for Capts anyway...

Happy Pills
 

Without question I know three wives living in Silcom Oassis that ar on the happy pills and you can guess what country they come from. You can also tell when they forget to take the pills, quite a difference in their pesonalites day to day. We all want to be happy and remember that Denail is not just a river in Egypt. Keep telling yourself that you are happy ladies.

Anyone try getting their dependents medication at the pharmacy at the new EGHQ ? Nope, you have to drive all the way down to the SZR clinic to collect....balmy !

Tell the ladies to stock up this summer or maybe they don't have to take the pills when they are out of Dubai. Out of sight out of mind. If I had to drive down SZR everyday I would need the good stuff too.

How about you spelling it out for us..........what country.

And while you are at it, how is it you are spending all this time with other guys wives???????????

Or are you just plain nosey?

There sure does seem to be a lot of people who are really interested in other peoples lives!

Guns

Have you actually started at Emirates yet, Guns-A-GoGo? Or are you still an EK wannabee?

Your choice of handle worries me, although it sure fits the words of the character we've seen posting on this forum in the last few months.

Neither actually.

The handle comes out of respect for a military unit my father was in during a war.

................deleted.................nevermind

GUNS

Hmm... needs Daddy to back him up:confused:

fart master,
You really are a dick. Man tries to honor his father and you have to make some immature comment. Says a lot about your character.:mad:

On the contrary have a look at guns a goo goo's first post, I think you'll find the pissy comments started there, as others have also commented.

And you'll also be from the good ol' US of A then?? ...yipee, glad you're here to save us all, spare us all the patriotic stuff, keep it to yourselves, I had family who fought in the WW's but unlike you lot I don't feel the need to splash it about.

So no I'm not being a Dick, I'm just giving a person who has decided to bring up his Fathers memory inappropriately, a bit of a forum slap.

Poping pills
 

The ladies living in DSO (desert) are as you guessed it are from the land of the free and the home of the popping pill culture. It is probably not their fault. They are living far from home in a vastly different culture and not making as much money as they did in the states so their quality of life has gone down. They would probably all like to be living back in the states but put a good face on it and the pills help big time. Pop away ladies, we are all there for you!

Those considering Emirates;

I did make a lot of money in the "Land of the Free'' and I love my home country and contrary to the crap I have been reading, I enjoy all Dubai has to offer and do not need "Happy Pills"to get through the days. But may I suggest to those who keep complaining, try visiting a local pharmacy and get something to calm your nerves.

Speaking only of the US and their taxes... after a pilot pays Federal, State Local, Medicare, Socail Security, Fuel and Energy, some states Food, and service TAXES, an EK pilot will have more cash in hand than one working for a failing airline in the US. As an added bonus if a pilot keeps his house in the US and rents it out and lives in Company accomodations the only things one will pay for would be food, sundries and internet.

Our quality of life has improved since joining Emirates. With only a few hours in the air, the opportunity to vacation in exotic places has become a reality. There is no longer a commute and this allows for piltos to have even more free time. Wives should see a drop in stress levels as house keepers, gardeners and nannies can be employed quite inexpensively. Anything, including groceries can be delivered to your door. Children receive a higher quality education here than most public schools in the US and statistically speaking... these children are accepted into better universities both in the US and world wide.

So if you are considering Emirates, chat with the people from your home country to get a better feel for what you may encounter.

So no I'm not being a Dick, I'm just giving a person who has decided to bring up his Fathers memory inappropriately, a bit of a forum slap.

Actually you were being a dick Fartmaster....

I get it.........farty is actually one of those medicated wives.

You know the old saying, "If your Aunt had a dick, she'd be your Uncle".

Fart Member, you remember your family with your handle, and I'll remember mine with mine.

Guns

work for emirates
 

The problems that you mentioned for the EMIRATES are the same for all the middle est company??

Because I am trying to apply for the Ethiad company at Abu dhabi and I would like to know something about it from someone who know and not from the "official" way....

THANKS

The good, the bad, and the ugly
 

Now I know the bad and the ugly about Dubai and EK...although there's always two sides to every story.

Can you describe the benefits and what you like about EK and living in Dubai?

s320p, you will almost certainly get a looooong private message from one of your countrymen by the name of Brian. You appear to want to hear some nice things about EK and Dubai. He will doubtlessly give you some, with lotsa sugar sprinkles on top.

Sorry for the thread creep everyone.


I'm trying to complete the application form for Emirates. The only missing item is a copy of my passport. Whenever I try to send it, I get a time out message.

Does anyone else have the same problem or a possible solution?

Cheers

Silverhawk,
I've run into the same problem at home while trying to upload the scanned copy of my passport. I don't know how to fix it either...

It might be that the size of the scanned file is too big. Try reducing the size (lower resolution) and upload it again.

I'm really looking forward to the day that everyone who posts on here suddenly understands that each of us has an opinion, and it is purely subjective and based on our own unique set of circumstances which no-one else can appreciate because they are living a different life.

As for me, I left a U.S. regional for a U.S. ACMI. I am considering EK because after only four months with this cargo company I have forgotten how nice it is to have something as simple and basic as a confirmed hotel room waiting for you at the end of your day/night, or loading equipment that is functional and does not require nine hours sitting on the airplane waiting for the freight to come on/off. Also, while the 74 classic is most assuredly a step, or three, up from an RJ, it is an obsolete type-rating for which demand is mostly dried up. So, I am now in the position of having extensive glass time, and a short amount of heavy int'l time, but not heavy glass int'l time.

As I am still single moving to the sandpit is a decision that affects me alone. While I would like my personal situation to be different, it does have certain advantages. And while the pay may not be enough for some people, I have my financial situation mostly under control so this would be a way to stockpile cash as quickly as possible.

I appreciate AC reminding us all of the importance of looking before you leap and take all his comments seriously while setting aside those that do not pertain to my personal situation. Having flown around the "back side" of the world in recent months, and just completing a 34 hour duty day totaling 16.5 flight hours, with a double crew, I would be happy to fly 7 hours in the middle of the night on an airplane that will actually level off without me having to tell it to do so.

As I said, our subjective opinions are based on our unique circumstances. I've developed a certain philosophy while working for a company with little to no infrastructure and gaining some much sought after international experience, and keeping an open mind as best as can be expected:

no expectations, no disappointments.

It is sad that the industry has deteriorated to the extent that it has, and maybe re-regulation of the US industry will fix it, and maybe it won't. In any case taking the above position has helped with maintaining a certain level of sanity in a mgmt.-favored corporate environment.

Fly safe and walk away at the end of every flight.

Just remember to take all the info into account, thats includes the bad with the good. That way when you do come you cant say you did not realize this and that, that would be your fault. If you look at all the info on pprune and tone down the good and the bad is printed by guys that claim they have treated poorly by the company, there is two sides to each story.
I'm not in any way defending the company, its just some guys are full of BS.


Some points to remember:

Temp housing for up to a year ( I would read into that longer)

Latest place is close to the dump(villas) and the 2nd phase at DSO has been delayed

Schooling right now is hard to get your kids into your choice and the cost is more than EK is paying( reviewed in JUY)

Upgrades 4-5 years both fleets, note that the fom refers to the min reqd not the actual

Training can be 3rd party and when you get here they send you away for 6 weeks

its 40+c in the summer so dont complain thats it hot, dont like the heat dont come

both fleets do lots of night turns to India and the new guys do most because of their position in the bid groups, even when you are in you top bid group you will have more than a 100 guys above, DEC's will be at the bottom for a long time,all current FO's will be above you when they upgrade so get use to night turns.

The upgrade, to some , is lots of work and for those that dont do the work the results speak for themselves.

Pilots do get punished( loss of bonus for 2 years)for a number of things

Staff travel is not cheap if it was you would never get a seat, the other 25000+ would fill every seat

ALT's is getting harder to book on the days you want, possible loss of vac days

Leave: NOT a given that you will get summer every year. You will fly as much as they can get out of you in the months you take vac.

Pets are allowed, lots of paper work.

Driving is insane, nothing you have ever seen, unless you have been somewhere else in the gulf. Your kids WILL see dead people on the road can't be avoided.

Inflation, gov says 11% this year but just ask anyone and the real number 30%, that is not EK's fault.

Pay, EK pays the least they have to in order to keep the A/C moving. Maybe we should be thanking the Gov for printing inflation at 10% last year if they didn't we might not have got anything.

Its a bonus NOT a profit share, I think SIA posted about the same profit @ 1.45 B $ dont know what they got for a profit share.

The job is good ,most of the other pilots are very good, the company is OK and Dubai sucks.

Well Pilots are the same all over the world...
 

I have been flying twenty years...
Airline flying 13 of them...
Captain almost 11 of them...
All in the US...

I am applying to Emirates...

But the thing that never changes is pilots nagging in bulletin boards.

The guys and girls that are happy are never on the posts...
It is always the naggers... good googly moogly...

Reading these posts are no different than reading the post for pilots at United, American, Delta, Northwest, Britsh Airways, Cathay, JAL, KLM, Lutfwaffer (sorry)... anyway the list is endless...

Someone is always pissed and spends more time complaining than fixing the problem...

I believe that almost everyone went to EK for money... Not climate or social reasons... we are all whores... and went for the cash...

If inflation is bad... (1) every pay cheque move your money to a hard currency and stop it from devalueing... (2) If the retirement funds are so conservative and earning slow rates contribute less... see point (1) and invest privately in foriegn markets earning 55% plus.

I am sorry but you can't be that smart if all you do is complain and whine...

But I swear... all you complainers went to the same flight school because you are all on every airlines bulletin boards.

No one owes you anything... You are obviously bitter... that comes from regret... but I would imagine that had you not gone to EK... you would still be complaining and the bitterness would have a different taste.


You rot your own mind with the !!!!! you fertilize it.

SpiderMoth