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I am writing this explaining all the aspects of Emirates that you will not hear from the company for those of you considering Emirates as a pilot. First I will tell you about Emirates and what they do and don’t do then I will tell you about Dubai that you might not be aware of.
I joined Emirates in the neighborhood of a year ago and did not do my homework about the airline or the city like I should have and now I regret it big time. There, that is my disclosure. I was a pilot at a world class carrier that had some financial trouble so I decided to leave. Emirates seemed like a good opportunity at the time and in many regards it is but not if you come from a top-tier airline.
Emirates does not have many things that a typical airline would have. We have no vacation pay, no sick pay, no trip credit, no duty credit, no minimum day, and no pension. Unions are outlawed and the government agency that is supposed to monitor the airline is non-existent. In other words whatever the management wants the airline gets, the pilots be dammed. We have a bidding system on paper but it does not work very well. We are not allowed to transfer aircraft and of course there is only one crew base which is Dubai.
We as pilots get 42 days vacation a year. That is good especially where I come from. The problem is trying to use the vacation when you want it. For two summers now I have not received any summer leave and we all know how hot Dubai gets in the summer. Leave is suppose to be rotated so it would make sense if you did not get summer leave this year you should get it next summer. Fat chance.
Also you can only use three weeks vacation in a row. That is not so bad but if you only use 7 days to 10 days vacation in a month you still work a full flying month and you just burned 7-10 days vacation from you bank. 42 days goes fast that way.
There is no sick pay. You call in sick for a trip and not only do you not get paid for it they can schedule you another trip even on your days off. If you call in sick for a four day trip and you are better after two days you can count on having two days of garbage as a pay back. Crew scheduling remembers everything and writes it all down on your personal page.
There is no duty regs or trip credit. This is not so much a problem at Emirates because they fly efficient patterns. But on the rare occasion where you are laying over for three days in TPI, ACC, KUL, YYZ, or SIN you are not getting paid for it. You only get paid for what you fly and for the most part that is the only way to get paid. We don’t get paid for our own simulator which is twice a year but we do get deadhead pay which we hardly ever do.
If we do a gulf sector that is very short we only get what we fly. So a DOH or BAH trip is only worth 1:50. Most airlines have a 4 –5 hour minimum day but not at Emirates. I must admit most of the flying goes over the 5 hour flying day but now with the wonderful bidding system you can count on a lot more short turns. More on that latter.
We have a retirement program here but it is not very good. My account has not built up very much but you hear of pilots flying here for 10 years and only having $125,000 or so. A close personal friend of mine has been here 6 years and has $67,000. I know the management wanna bees will come out and say there is much bigger but it is not anything what a proper pension should be. After you cash it in you will be lucky to put a down payment on a house. We need more for retirement but of course management is not listening to the pilots but then again they never listen to us.
Emirates is in desperate need of a union. As I mentioned earlier management just does not listen to the pilots. They do whatever they want whenever they want. We have absolutely no say. It is very frustrating to say the least. I know some pilots will say that they are quite happy not having a union here but they are the ones that have probably jumped the seniority list at some point in their career or have been the beneficiary of some management decision.
There is no FAA or CAA here and you can tell from the onset. When we set the brakes after a pattern we are off duty. They did this (because they can) so they can get some long turn arounds in under the duty limit. I understand we use to get 30 mins after brakes set but they did away with this provision for their benefit and so they could do a lot more of very long turn arounds with just two pilots.
We fly a lot of night flying. Not just at night but in the middle of the night. A lot of our patterns leave at 2am and fly all night and get back to Dubai at 6 in the morning a day later. That just kills me. Some pilots adjust but not me. This is something that I did not know and did not come across in my limited research. My bad big time!
Also we fly some long legs with only two pilots in the middle of the night. We go to Beijing and Seoul and leave with two pilots at 2am and fly across the Himalayas. That is just not safe. Try staying awake. It is painful most times and probably has taken years if not decades off my life. No one outside the airline knows this but there is a lot of single pilot flying going on here. One pilot sleeps while the other pilot tries and stays awake and then the roles are reversed. One pilot manning the ship at a time.
The management in their infinite wisdom just messed with the bidding system again. They now state that we can only have 14 days off a month. Why? Who knows the real reason but I am sure jealousy is high up on the list. Also they don’t like commuters and they don’t like for the pilots to have too much time off. They rather we all be tired and crabby so we will leave the airline or be dead. This has screwed up a lot of pilots way of life.
The main determent here is the Direct Entry Captain program. I know Emirates had it before I joined but I did not realize how much it hurts an airline. When it comes to upgrade they can easily say we are going to hire DECs and you just have to wait. A union would come in handy here to stop this program but that will never happen. Pilots on the Airbus are having to wait over a year and a half for their upgrade because some narrow body captain who never has flown outside Europe or the States is coming in and upgrading before them. There are no good airlines in the world that don’t respect seniority. Emirates does not respect seniority. It is a complete slap in the face to the hard working first officers of this airline what the company is doing to us.
Dubai is pretty much a nightmare to get anything done in. The traffic is obscene and bottlenecks everyday in most parts of the city. Try and get something done and it takes you four times as long to get there as it should.
Then you have the idiot drivers. I will leave the nationalities aside but you just can’t believe some of the stunts they pull. You just pray you don’t come across any of them on your daily travels.
God forbid if you get into an accident with any of them. It is your word against theirs and the cops speak Arabic. Everything written is in Arabic and you have no idea what is going on. I hope it does not happen to anyone here but it does everyday and it sucks.
There is no customer service to speak of. Try and return some item that you don’t want or is the wrong size. It can be done but is often an Act of God.
Every store has a security guard posted all through the store. Sometimes they even follow you. At least they do to me, must be because I look suspicious but others have said the same thing. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy all over.
Then there is the runaway inflation in Dubai. Officially it is listed at 12% a year but everyone knows that is a farce. Many items are not included in the official listings and super markets are almost at the point of listing their items in pencil so they can change the prices everyday. Don’t get me wrong it is not Zimbabwe yet but it very frustrating at the same time. Quality of life has gone way done just in the last 6 months not to mention the last 15 months. I can’t imagine what the last 10 years has brought.
Schools, food, rents, water, and almost every item has jumped considerably. The profit share and the pay raises don’t even come close to keeping up with inflation. In just a year I am worse off then when I joined. It just is not worth it and like I said I made a big mistake in coming to Emirates. This memo is to the pilots thinking about coming to Dubai and Emirates so they can think long and hard about such a career move. There are some positives but there are a lot of negatives as well. Do you homework and see what is best for you and your family. Ask your friends how many of them have sent their wives and children back home because of the ills of Dubai. Ask if their wife was on some type of medication. A vast majority of Emirates wives living in Dubai are, after all everyone wants to seem “happy.” Ask the pilots if they are walking zombies because of all the night flying we do. Ask them again if they regret coming. Then ask them from what airline they came from before Emirates to get an accurate picture. Ask ask and ask again. Get the information not from the company but from people you know and make sure they are telling you the truth. In other words don’t ask a management pilot or someone who came from a third tier airline. Emirates is not for everyone but if you do deciede to come, Keep Recovering! and good luck.
I joined Emirates in the neighborhood of a year ago and did not do my homework about the airline or the city like I should have and now I regret it big time. There, that is my disclosure. I was a pilot at a world class carrier that had some financial trouble so I decided to leave. Emirates seemed like a good opportunity at the time and in many regards it is but not if you come from a top-tier airline.
Emirates does not have many things that a typical airline would have. We have no vacation pay, no sick pay, no trip credit, no duty credit, no minimum day, and no pension. Unions are outlawed and the government agency that is supposed to monitor the airline is non-existent. In other words whatever the management wants the airline gets, the pilots be dammed. We have a bidding system on paper but it does not work very well. We are not allowed to transfer aircraft and of course there is only one crew base which is Dubai.
We as pilots get 42 days vacation a year. That is good especially where I come from. The problem is trying to use the vacation when you want it. For two summers now I have not received any summer leave and we all know how hot Dubai gets in the summer. Leave is suppose to be rotated so it would make sense if you did not get summer leave this year you should get it next summer. Fat chance.
Also you can only use three weeks vacation in a row. That is not so bad but if you only use 7 days to 10 days vacation in a month you still work a full flying month and you just burned 7-10 days vacation from you bank. 42 days goes fast that way.
There is no sick pay. You call in sick for a trip and not only do you not get paid for it they can schedule you another trip even on your days off. If you call in sick for a four day trip and you are better after two days you can count on having two days of garbage as a pay back. Crew scheduling remembers everything and writes it all down on your personal page.
There is no duty regs or trip credit. This is not so much a problem at Emirates because they fly efficient patterns. But on the rare occasion where you are laying over for three days in TPI, ACC, KUL, YYZ, or SIN you are not getting paid for it. You only get paid for what you fly and for the most part that is the only way to get paid. We don’t get paid for our own simulator which is twice a year but we do get deadhead pay which we hardly ever do.
If we do a gulf sector that is very short we only get what we fly. So a DOH or BAH trip is only worth 1:50. Most airlines have a 4 –5 hour minimum day but not at Emirates. I must admit most of the flying goes over the 5 hour flying day but now with the wonderful bidding system you can count on a lot more short turns. More on that latter.
We have a retirement program here but it is not very good. My account has not built up very much but you hear of pilots flying here for 10 years and only having $125,000 or so. A close personal friend of mine has been here 6 years and has $67,000. I know the management wanna bees will come out and say there is much bigger but it is not anything what a proper pension should be. After you cash it in you will be lucky to put a down payment on a house. We need more for retirement but of course management is not listening to the pilots but then again they never listen to us.
Emirates is in desperate need of a union. As I mentioned earlier management just does not listen to the pilots. They do whatever they want whenever they want. We have absolutely no say. It is very frustrating to say the least. I know some pilots will say that they are quite happy not having a union here but they are the ones that have probably jumped the seniority list at some point in their career or have been the beneficiary of some management decision.
There is no FAA or CAA here and you can tell from the onset. When we set the brakes after a pattern we are off duty. They did this (because they can) so they can get some long turn arounds in under the duty limit. I understand we use to get 30 mins after brakes set but they did away with this provision for their benefit and so they could do a lot more of very long turn arounds with just two pilots.
We fly a lot of night flying. Not just at night but in the middle of the night. A lot of our patterns leave at 2am and fly all night and get back to Dubai at 6 in the morning a day later. That just kills me. Some pilots adjust but not me. This is something that I did not know and did not come across in my limited research. My bad big time!
Also we fly some long legs with only two pilots in the middle of the night. We go to Beijing and Seoul and leave with two pilots at 2am and fly across the Himalayas. That is just not safe. Try staying awake. It is painful most times and probably has taken years if not decades off my life. No one outside the airline knows this but there is a lot of single pilot flying going on here. One pilot sleeps while the other pilot tries and stays awake and then the roles are reversed. One pilot manning the ship at a time.
The management in their infinite wisdom just messed with the bidding system again. They now state that we can only have 14 days off a month. Why? Who knows the real reason but I am sure jealousy is high up on the list. Also they don’t like commuters and they don’t like for the pilots to have too much time off. They rather we all be tired and crabby so we will leave the airline or be dead. This has screwed up a lot of pilots way of life.
The main determent here is the Direct Entry Captain program. I know Emirates had it before I joined but I did not realize how much it hurts an airline. When it comes to upgrade they can easily say we are going to hire DECs and you just have to wait. A union would come in handy here to stop this program but that will never happen. Pilots on the Airbus are having to wait over a year and a half for their upgrade because some narrow body captain who never has flown outside Europe or the States is coming in and upgrading before them. There are no good airlines in the world that don’t respect seniority. Emirates does not respect seniority. It is a complete slap in the face to the hard working first officers of this airline what the company is doing to us.
Dubai is pretty much a nightmare to get anything done in. The traffic is obscene and bottlenecks everyday in most parts of the city. Try and get something done and it takes you four times as long to get there as it should.
Then you have the idiot drivers. I will leave the nationalities aside but you just can’t believe some of the stunts they pull. You just pray you don’t come across any of them on your daily travels.
God forbid if you get into an accident with any of them. It is your word against theirs and the cops speak Arabic. Everything written is in Arabic and you have no idea what is going on. I hope it does not happen to anyone here but it does everyday and it sucks.
There is no customer service to speak of. Try and return some item that you don’t want or is the wrong size. It can be done but is often an Act of God.
Every store has a security guard posted all through the store. Sometimes they even follow you. At least they do to me, must be because I look suspicious but others have said the same thing. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy all over.
Then there is the runaway inflation in Dubai. Officially it is listed at 12% a year but everyone knows that is a farce. Many items are not included in the official listings and super markets are almost at the point of listing their items in pencil so they can change the prices everyday. Don’t get me wrong it is not Zimbabwe yet but it very frustrating at the same time. Quality of life has gone way done just in the last 6 months not to mention the last 15 months. I can’t imagine what the last 10 years has brought.
Schools, food, rents, water, and almost every item has jumped considerably. The profit share and the pay raises don’t even come close to keeping up with inflation. In just a year I am worse off then when I joined. It just is not worth it and like I said I made a big mistake in coming to Emirates. This memo is to the pilots thinking about coming to Dubai and Emirates so they can think long and hard about such a career move. There are some positives but there are a lot of negatives as well. Do you homework and see what is best for you and your family. Ask your friends how many of them have sent their wives and children back home because of the ills of Dubai. Ask if their wife was on some type of medication. A vast majority of Emirates wives living in Dubai are, after all everyone wants to seem “happy.” Ask the pilots if they are walking zombies because of all the night flying we do. Ask them again if they regret coming. Then ask them from what airline they came from before Emirates to get an accurate picture. Ask ask and ask again. Get the information not from the company but from people you know and make sure they are telling you the truth. In other words don’t ask a management pilot or someone who came from a third tier airline. Emirates is not for everyone but if you do deciede to come, Keep Recovering! and good luck.
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Some interesting points there. Some valid others less so. The Aviation industry has changed the world over in the past seven years and for a lot of that time the management have had a strong hand however times change. Some of the conditions you have enjoyed in the past are not available anymore.
If you dont like it in Dubai or with Emirates then leave.
DD
If you dont like it in Dubai or with Emirates then leave.
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I forgot to metion that EK has a training bond that basically keeps you at the airline. I know I don't live in the states anymore but training bonds are illegal where I come from. Can you imagine the concept, we acknowledge as an airline we are not paying industry standard pay rates so we will use some artificial means to keep you locked in basically agasint your finnicial will. Bondage, think about it, we fought a war over the concept of bondage.
So to answer your question DD I would love to leave but Emirates being the corrupt corporation that they are force you to stay here. Also you must bring up the furniture bond as well as the provident fund which does not muture for 7 years. We should be fully vested in the provident fund on day one.
It must be quite easy for you to say if you don't like it just leave. Must be SA or Canadian or third tier airline aren't you?
So to answer your question DD I would love to leave but Emirates being the corrupt corporation that they are force you to stay here. Also you must bring up the furniture bond as well as the provident fund which does not muture for 7 years. We should be fully vested in the provident fund on day one.
It must be quite easy for you to say if you don't like it just leave. Must be SA or Canadian or third tier airline aren't you?
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Mate there is always another option. Nobody forced you to leave a world class airline.
I left a very good airline as well but I am trying to make the best out of it.
So stop whining like a baby and make a wise decision.
I left a very good airline as well but I am trying to make the best out of it.
So stop whining like a baby and make a wise decision.
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I've said this before.... dont let your big airplane EGO decide for you.... you will regret it.
If you need a job than ok
Upgrades will be pushing 5 years for anyone joining now and dont think you can commute or there will be basings
Inflation is out of control , you will have to add several years to your saving s plan
If you need a job than ok
Upgrades will be pushing 5 years for anyone joining now and dont think you can commute or there will be basings
Inflation is out of control , you will have to add several years to your saving s plan
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As AC says, he should have done his research. While I don't doubt that there are certain issues which would be hard to discover ahead of time (except by asking on a forum like this...), I'd have to say that AC's problems are of his own making.
As for Dubai itself, as a place to live it is what you make of it. Admittedly I don't work for Emirates so I have a rather better housing allowance. I still knew I'd be topping up the allowance from salary to pay rent of AED 180,000. I knew what I'd have to pay ahead of time, thanks to the wonders of the internet. Even the driving is something you can work around to some extent - go shopping when the malls and roads are (relatively) quiet! At least you don't have to drive yourself to work, as I do.
I wouldn't have sought to lambast particular nationalities, but AC managed to disparage Canadian, Seth Efricans and everyone from "third tier", for which I read "third world", airlines. Perhaps the medicated wives are mostly American? Perhaps the unrealistic expectations are also an American issue. They are most certainly AC's issue.
As for Dubai itself, as a place to live it is what you make of it. Admittedly I don't work for Emirates so I have a rather better housing allowance. I still knew I'd be topping up the allowance from salary to pay rent of AED 180,000. I knew what I'd have to pay ahead of time, thanks to the wonders of the internet. Even the driving is something you can work around to some extent - go shopping when the malls and roads are (relatively) quiet! At least you don't have to drive yourself to work, as I do.
I wouldn't have sought to lambast particular nationalities, but AC managed to disparage Canadian, Seth Efricans and everyone from "third tier", for which I read "third world", airlines. Perhaps the medicated wives are mostly American? Perhaps the unrealistic expectations are also an American issue. They are most certainly AC's issue.
Crusader,
Whilst I'm sorry you are not content here, there are a few points you make that need addressing-
Firstly pensions- how many people from the "World class carriers" (read American Majors) you speak of have lost most or all of their pension entitlements, because of the complete inability for an industry to keep paying both their CURRENT and their FORMER employees? How many US carriers still offer a final salary pension scheme for new employees? If the pension contributions given by the company don't meet your requirements, SAVE!!
Sick and Vacation pay- This is a typical example of Americans thinking the whole world acts the same as it is in America. Here, you receive an ANNUAL SALARY for doing your job. If you are sick or go on Vacation, you STILL RECEIVE THAT SALARY. Recently, the company introduced flight pay and, sure enough, it is a consideration you receive when you fly.
Terms like "Trip credit, duty credit, minimum day" are American terms used at American carriers. I've worked in Australia, Japan, Europe and the Middle east. Pay and conditions and the way they are calculated vary from country to country and carrier to carrier. To come to a different country, and then complain because "It's not like this at home" shows a naivety and jingoism that is, unfortunately, not uncommon amounts people from a certain large Western democracy. What matters in the end is how much money ends up in your account. How it is calculated is, in the end, irrelevant.
As for bonds, I've had one on each continent I've worked on. So, as far as "Understanding the concept", try getting the concept that not everything is the same outside the lower 48.
None of the 7 airlines I've worked for in twenty two years have. You're not in Kansas any more....
Now, did your "World class carrier" give you free housing, medical, private education and transport to work? And what WAS the first year wage at that company?How many guys bitching at your old company because they might have to wait 4 years (or is it more like 14??) for a 777 command?
It's not perfect. It's not for everyone. But it is what it is, and is not looking like going broke as have half the "World class carriers", with most of the others looking pretty dodgy.
Whilst I'm sorry you are not content here, there are a few points you make that need addressing-
Firstly pensions- how many people from the "World class carriers" (read American Majors) you speak of have lost most or all of their pension entitlements, because of the complete inability for an industry to keep paying both their CURRENT and their FORMER employees? How many US carriers still offer a final salary pension scheme for new employees? If the pension contributions given by the company don't meet your requirements, SAVE!!
Sick and Vacation pay- This is a typical example of Americans thinking the whole world acts the same as it is in America. Here, you receive an ANNUAL SALARY for doing your job. If you are sick or go on Vacation, you STILL RECEIVE THAT SALARY. Recently, the company introduced flight pay and, sure enough, it is a consideration you receive when you fly.
Terms like "Trip credit, duty credit, minimum day" are American terms used at American carriers. I've worked in Australia, Japan, Europe and the Middle east. Pay and conditions and the way they are calculated vary from country to country and carrier to carrier. To come to a different country, and then complain because "It's not like this at home" shows a naivety and jingoism that is, unfortunately, not uncommon amounts people from a certain large Western democracy. What matters in the end is how much money ends up in your account. How it is calculated is, in the end, irrelevant.
As for bonds, I've had one on each continent I've worked on. So, as far as "Understanding the concept", try getting the concept that not everything is the same outside the lower 48.
Most airlines have a 4 –5 hour minimum day but not at Emirates.
Now, did your "World class carrier" give you free housing, medical, private education and transport to work? And what WAS the first year wage at that company?How many guys bitching at your old company because they might have to wait 4 years (or is it more like 14??) for a 777 command?
It's not perfect. It's not for everyone. But it is what it is, and is not looking like going broke as have half the "World class carriers", with most of the others looking pretty dodgy.
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Ask if their wife was on some type of medication. A vast majority of Emirates wives living in Dubai are
By definition "vast majority" means at least 50% plus 1.
I've been here 8 years plus and I know less than 100 EK wives. You've been here a year and you know about more than 1000 wives? Who are you, the CIA?????
You were right in one issue though. Fekin stupid to come here without asking around first.......I did, and I've no regrets.
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I found out from the clinic just how many people are taking happy pills and other medication. Although I did not get the exact number I was assured it is a vast majority of the wives. Like I said ask the Doctors and find out for yourself. Then ask again.
All that I am trying to do is get the word out so another pilot does not make a mistake in joining under flase pretenses. As I said earlier I did not do my homework. If that is a crime then I am quilty as charged.
Just because some of you worked for some real dodgey companies that did have the items in your contract don't slag me off. In the end don't we all want to make the most money and work the least we can? My old airline did not give me housing or pick me up for work. They did give me free medical and paid me a wage that I could live on with income to spare. We don't get that at Emirates. Thank you for your concern.
All that I am trying to do is get the word out so another pilot does not make a mistake in joining under flase pretenses. As I said earlier I did not do my homework. If that is a crime then I am quilty as charged.
Just because some of you worked for some real dodgey companies that did have the items in your contract don't slag me off. In the end don't we all want to make the most money and work the least we can? My old airline did not give me housing or pick me up for work. They did give me free medical and paid me a wage that I could live on with income to spare. We don't get that at Emirates. Thank you for your concern.
Just because some of you worked for some real dodgey companies
And there it is.... Anyone who does anything differently from an American Major is a "Real Dogey Company.".
Mate, I worked for the number two major in Australia and the largest Lo-Co in Europe. Both offered good pay and conditions, just different from what you would be used to.
You did not join under false pretenses, you joined under the terms and conditions as advertised and detailed in your contract. If you were too ignorant to understand it spelled out methodologies different from what you were used to, that is your own lookout.
I also find the idea that the clinic would just toss you information as to who is taking what very unlikely. Why exactley did you ask?
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Wizo....big elephant stamp to you for a good rebuttal to another 5000 words of emotive garbage.
The good ol howdy doody boys from the glass house have never had to clean the windows and look out at the rest of the world.
The US economy would be in such a wonderful state at the moment because of......umm.
But big Al..... your fellow introspective compatriates continue to come here, if it's so good in the land of consumption and excess then why???
It's not that bad!!!!
The good ol howdy doody boys from the glass house have never had to clean the windows and look out at the rest of the world.
The US economy would be in such a wonderful state at the moment because of......umm.
But big Al..... your fellow introspective compatriates continue to come here, if it's so good in the land of consumption and excess then why???
It's not that bad!!!!
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But big Al..... your fellow introspective compatriates continue to come here, if it's so good in the land of consumption and excess then why???
It's not that bad!!!
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i had a buddy with ek whose wife fled dubai. and she is from as third world a country as they come. that's gotta say something about expat wives in dubai. no booze, no pill popping, just ran.
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What to do!
Actually most of what AC said is part of Dubai's reality. We all came to improve our situation in the first place. But yes some people get a reality check big time when they get here. I've been here long enough to say "I'm happy there is more time behind me then ahead of me here" Don't kid yourself. If you come from a first world country you are actually moving to a developing country to be politically correct. And you bet it is developing. And in the middle east... Hello! This is expat world around here and you are not home. Not easy sometimes I have to agree. When you hear some people around here you think Dubai is the best place on the planet. They truly like Dubai and i can understand in some extend. Well good for them. I wish them a long and prosper life here. But then for others like AC it's not and i think anybody from a first world country can truly understand AC unless they are in denial. There are many types of people around here as you will find when you come here. Who can be the judge. Dubai is what you make it. Sadly all i can say to people like AC is do something about it. Not easy you will say, i know. But the problem is once you are here, you are stuck here no matter where you are from. It's a big move to come here. When i came close to 10 years ago it was a very different place here. The company was very different too. Today it is a very different situation and there are many more points to consider before coming to Dubai. Good luck if you consider Emirates. Do your researches. Don't rush it. The info is out there. This rumor web site is still a very good source of info no matter what some people say. I did it back then, and i am now planning my next move. It's all about timing i guess. I got lucky i guess and a few more years here and bye bye thank you very much...
In the mean time, keep discovering
In the mean time, keep discovering
Join Date: Sep 1998
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[Must be SA or Canadian or third tier airline aren't you?]
Sorry to disappoint but I am not a SA or a Canadian nor did I work for a third tier company. I have worked with many of the above and many are able to adjust learn if required and achieve. Your attitude suggests that you can't.
So as I said previously LEAVE
Sorry to disappoint but I am not a SA or a Canadian nor did I work for a third tier company. I have worked with many of the above and many are able to adjust learn if required and achieve. Your attitude suggests that you can't.
So as I said previously LEAVE
