I meant same style of management. The people change but nothing else does. Except, as you pointed out, the inflated titles. Must be a Middle East thing.

New 2 level pay scale on the career web site.... amusing...

please waste 2 min on this post

first a little conclusion:

we downgrade expierenced 330/340 Comander to RHS
Ex 330/340 FO or short term CAPO are not good enough to be 380 capo

FO under the age of 34/35 not good enough to be comander

We hire

3000hr on 10T / 2000hr on 20T
DEC from 320/737 to B777

we pay a higher base salary to new joiners

Now please observe FCI Lifus

Updrager 10 Lifus flights
DEC 10 lifus flights

Fleet transfer 20 Lifus flights

so an EX easy/ryan/wizz or what so ever comander DEC needs less training than a EK 330/340 skipper and only the same like a upgrader.

please go now to the last page and read who is the originator:

yes you read right it is a DEC with just 3 or 3.5 years in EK (properly just 2000hr in EK) obviously having a steep career and now ????????

thanks for your time

WB1900, the way I read the FCI, the 20 sectors is only for NaC combined with a fleet transfer. Captains transferring fleet as captains need only 10 sectors as usual.

I don t know what they are smoking up there but must be really good, so they did two meetings explaining that a new requirement of experience on type before operating as a captain has been introduced/implemented and a week later they release an FCI which states the LIFUS requirements for a fleet transfer with combined upgrade.

I didn't do the maths, but isn't the flight pay included in the salary on the career website? So it might look higher than what it is for current pilots.

I did the maths and they are paying Level 2 joiners higher than current employees, who have the Level 2 requirements.

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

QUOTE"Originally Posted by north flyer

I was hired in June of 2008, I am in my 9th year.

I am an F/O by choice, my base pay is 30,405 AED and flight pay is 55 AED an hour, that equals 35,080 AED per month.

Emirates is willing to paying 9th year F/O salary for a level 2 F/O, not a bad deal, wish they had that when I joined, not sure about the year of captain pay, but I would guess it is about the same."

he is right:

we used to have 1 salary scale: you get hired you are on step 1, when you are upgraded you jump 10 steps (suppose after 4 yrs = you go step 14). DEC get hired step 13 to start with.. we used to have 22 step increment for captain (step 14 to 35) and 13 for FOs(FO cannot go higher then step 13)...this new "thing" change the prospective...wonder if a new hired FO is aware that if he does not upgrade in 4yrs (very unlikely) he will be shafted....hello tomorrow

Has happened before. Around 2003/4 they hired DECs on 4th year Capt scale (eq. 16th), if i remember correctly.

Whatever the situation dictates (lack of suitable applicants or pressure from insurance) they will simply adapt regardless of what the loyal staff have actually.

CTWO the new hire on level 2 isn't shafted in four years if not upgraded. His earnings over that period are still greater than a level 1.

Fair enough....

Glowy you remember correctly, I was training a few of these guys and was pissed off they got paid more than me at the time....

..and the november roster came out...and with a quick touch of magic wand ,here I am....FO again...what a rewarding satisfaction...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

..BTW..still holding my breath,waiting for JA's guarantee letter...

P1 is still on your license. You should treat this as the end of your P1 contract and just find a new one. There are some good ones out there. NEVER go back P2. Guarantees don't exist in aviation. Good luck with your decision... it's a tough one, but so obvious to me...
Keep Discovering

Please don't tell me that a "guarantee" from JA is worth the paper it's written on. Nothing written on EK paper is guaranteed. The only thing guaranteed is the fact that EK WILL get a lot worse.

Just wondering how the advert for DEC onto the B777 ties into the new requirement for internal upgrades ?
There seems to be no age requirements stated, only hours, and what about the requirement for current A330/340 Capts. to complete a certain number of PPC's and Manual Handling sessions before being deemed suitable for the "Review" for upgrade onto the A380.
Surely the newbies should also face the same, bearing in mind that the B777 flies into certain highly entertaining parts of the world now.
The general message appears to be that EK don't trust the pilots they have trained to do the job, but pilots trained elsewhere are ok.

Makes sense though. The others have not been intimidated, threatened, brainwashed and worked to death into scared zombies.

You reap what you sow and EK almost has to import its edible food now, because the home grown stuff tastes badly ....

..scary and absolutely true...

Level 2 gets a higher salary which translates into:
- Higher EOSB or contribution to the provident ( times all these years )
- Higher sick pay
- Higher rate of holiday pay
- Higher loss of licence payment ( A level 1 pilot's health having served longer, is worth less because of his basic salary )
- Higher possibility of financing home purchase.

Basically the implications of the unfair system are extensive and should be at least considered by level 1 guys. Level 2 beware, level 3 could be on his way sooner than you think.

Multiply that by x number of years without any promotion of things were to turn sour, and that makes the true impact of such scale even more obvious.

.... now counting the days and happy in a way to see that my decision was right,