Refusing Job Offer
 

Hello,

Anyone knows, in case you got a job offer from EK and refused it :E , what would be the consequences for a potential future application ?
Would you be "blacklisted" and for how long ?

What were the reason for turning it down the first time?

he read the pprune tales..

Fatbus - what's the deal with this pay rise? It might make it worthwhile coming out if true

Year after year its a pay cut. There hasn't been a pay rise in a long time.

Im happy to stand corrected after its released in May, but for those of us who have been around it ends up being more work (flying) for less money after inflation.

Lots written about this in other forums. Too lazy to post.

Well another job offer at home at that time, plus all the warnings from an EK mate/Pprune.
So do you know if one may re-apply and get invited? Might have to look for a job soon, to put food on the table.

The topic is important, but the same posting in 7 different threads is called spam.

@ExDubai:

my intent was to inform as much people doing homework and research for EK jobs. Not sure if it was you or somebody else who reported it as spam, but I can't see my post here in this thread at-least.

If you did report it, please be patient next time. Its not hard to resist your temptations of not letting people know the inside story of EK.

@Just_Landed Nope, I didn't report it.

Guys,

1- Never get emotionally involved with the company policies or about people from management.

2- DO your job (fly), go home and live your life! That's all

3- They pay you to do whatever they want! That's why you're in Dubai

4- keep yourself always within high standard, about flying skills, technical knowledge and etc. Demand a lot from yourself and very few from others.

Follow this 4 rules and you'll be happy in everywhere and never will get involved in problem.

That's all!!! Nice flights

Great, thanks for that. I always wondered what I was doing wrong...

Naive and simplistic. You should be a manager.

Hahaha thats a good laugh...

You dont have any idea about EK do you...

E.g. No.2: live yr life? Hahaha the only thing you do is getting yr body up to speed to work again in 1 or 2 days.

N.👍

Hi guys,

which one is the profile that they are looking for? I have around 6000 hours total and 4500 hours in Airbus A320 still FO but not sure if I want 380....could I choose 777 or is it mandatory 380 for an airbus guy...?
cheers

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It matters little what you want. It only matters what they want. If you want 777 they will hire you as a 777 driver. But, if they need 380 drivers then upon your arrival they will switch you to 380. This bait and switch has been going on at EK for at least 10 years. If you go there, you must be willing to work either fleet. I will skip the are you crazy lecture.:ugh:

YP

Sorry mate but that is a complete generalisation. It's a known fact that the cripple is taking much of the 330 night turns but to say that 380 guys are happy to go for 10 more years and only 12 months for the 777 drivers is tosh.

It's ironic that 2 colleagues I know who've been here for around 13 years or so and both on the 380 and are leaving, one to Korean, the other not sure. I know of plenty of guys that although complaining of the night turns, actually like the Boeing routes because of the variety and the freighter. Some colleagues of mine who are on the super fleet whilst having 14 0r 15 days off are completely spaced out with the constant ULR's. One of them has done 3 this month and two Europeans and he's f***ed.

Not everyone wants to spend half of their flying in a noisy CRC with kids banging on the walls.

Harry

Second it
 

I second Harry's post... The super guys have it only figuratively nice ...doing ULRs, flying to all majors dest does get cumbersome..I'm sorry for the guys on the 330 .. But the 777 still remain the best in my opinion, as you get a best of everything

Hi YP,
Thanls for your post, to be honest I would like to fly Boeing at some point in my career if I can but also I would like to have the doors open to come back to Europe with a Boeing rating.... I saw that many airlines consider experience on the A320/330/340 for a position but not the 380...or am I wrong?

A320CaptDav perhaps you could tells how you like the 777 rosters? Oh wait, you can't cause you don't fly one, you don't work for EK and I doubt very much you are a Capt! You and the infamous Iver must be best buddies in a trolling kinda way.

Vfenext... I'm a Capt on the A320 in a successful LCC, in terms of rosters I fly about 80-90 hrs but staying within the same time zone. The only person that's a troll is yourself considering that you even brought Iver into this.

As for EK I just shared an opinion, you clearly seem another frustrated and ignorant pilot that got through EKs selection process. If anybody like yourself that think things are gonna change around at Ek they must be clueless.

All the best with your career in your carrier.

Absolutely. I wouldn't claim otherwise.

Dave you tried twice. You did your best. Time to let it go. As VFE stated, you have no clue what 777 and 380 rosters are like.

Glad you got the command. Enjoy it.

Dave - For someone who is happy in his own time zone flying 80-90 for a successful carrier - you do spend a lot of your off time lurking around here.

If the 4 out of 10 that get through the selection process are "ignorant and frustrated" what does that make the 6 that don't - like you ?

🤔

Flying fliion:
Yes caz I have plenty of time to use to my benefit; sorry for your time deprived scheds. As for the people like me , we try until we succeed, unlike people like yourself that are unhappy regardless and use this place to rant away

Hope the wake ahead of you is enough to keep you awake!

CaptDav...what are you even talking about? Wouldn't you find it strange if someone was constantly providing input on something they have no direct experience with? It's bizarre. Now if you've been through the interview process then please, add that input, but speaking of which fleet to fly based on roster etc...not really your place, right?

Which of course will never happen

I really do not understand this thread. Current EK pilots complaining about the hectic schedules, not having a life, no leave, constant fatigue, and all that. In the same post, then tell prospective joiners to stay away from EK.

How does that make any sense?!

If the other terms and conditions (pay) improve, you'd still have to deal with the constant working and very little time off. Do you really think the continued shortfall in manpower will magically force EK management to improve T&Cs?

From my point of view, a lot of effort is being put into recruiting more manpower. The success of this process will only mean a better quality of life for current EK pilots and the new joiners.

FYI, I do not currently work for EK but I am in the recruitment process. I become more discouraged each time I read this thread, but then I think about the prospects of an additional 400 pilots joining and what a difference that would make.

Fellas please stop telling it as it is as you are upsetting people like loc est. How dare you. He has his eye on flying a big shiny jet and you are making it all look a bit less shiny than the brochure states. Can we please concentrate on more positive things, like...it doesn't rain very much.....you know..stuff like that.

First of all:

If this company currently is a big bull**** it's your (pilot group) responsibility and your fault in accepting this situation.

If they cut your salary few years ago and you're still flying in the same way, it's your responsibility and fault.

To make a lot of complaints here in PPRUNE will not solve this.

Of course JonyBGood...
And I guess that if the people of North Corea are not free , it is their fault and the poor peole suffering from Daesh , it is also their fault...

In Brasil I guess that for the poor people living in the favellas , it is also their fault... You should become the next president of your country to show them how easy it is to get rich and wealthy

Ignore him, he's spouted rubbish on other threads dubaigoing. Childlike and naive...

THIS! And dude ignore PPrune. Don't even read it. I read it once a week/month and feel myself getting unhappy while reading it. SO unhappy that my wife actually gets pissed with me when I quote or read this forum as she sees me change every time I read this. Good thing is when I enter the aircraft I reset again and actually love my job :D

Moving on
 

sigh.........

Sigh,

For all you prospective new joiners, here's my view as an ex EK staff member.

The people that you fly and work with are for the most part decent hard working and professional, they also went through the wannabe phase, much like some of you on here, or they have been part of the furniture for so long that they have seen things on a continual slide downhill.
All that being said BE WARNED, there is no hyperbole regarding the working conditions or the fact that many simply can't leave at the drop of a hat.
For those fools who think they know better, you are indeed blinded and fooled by your own ignorance, but feel free to make your own mistakes, there's one born every minute.
I left 9 months ago, I put my money where my mouth is, I've never recommended EK to anyone, and in its present form I never will, the place is toxic and not worth the toll on your health and home life.

AMEN!!! to that.

Bravo Falcon and agree with the Amen also Fearless leader!!

An ex EK escapee

K

Seconded.....

Hi
Please back to the original purpose of this thread
Any one went trough hmthe interview process lately?(PSP1and 2)
Some feed back will be apreciated
Thanks.

Hi Guys. I'm looking for info specifically on the PSP.

Before I ask though - I'm aware the EK guys fly hard - but then again don't expect that the rest of us don't either. Productivity squeeze is a reality all over the world. Its not a bed of roses doing 75-85 (sometimes 90-something) hrs short haul a month with 55 odd turnarounds of 30 minutes each, 10 hour days with no break, to the same 5 destinations, 5 or 6 nightstops a month, some of which are minimum rest - and I mean 9 hrs from sign off (30 min after chocks on, not when you get your room key) to sign on - on older mixed equipment, with aircraft changes - sometimes twice in one day, hanging round in lounges etc etc for a third of the pay which you're getting in your pocket in Dubai.
That's why some of us are considering changing and coming to Emirates - so before you flame us, take a step back and consider (A) where we're coming from and (B) what you've got:ok:

So having established that I'm not looking for diatribes about how bad it is at Ek... I'm looking for info on the PSP please.

Phase 1 has been described as Advanced Compass Testing and SIM - would anybody be able to expand on that? I understand there's Abstract Reasoning, but are there any mathematical modules with things like Train A leaves at 10:00 and Train B leaves at 12:00 etc? The rest of the Compass Testing - are the recall of the ATC clearances (HDG ALT SPD) and the rudder pedals and the joystick still part of it?

What is the sim profile like? Specifically the part where they look for 'leadership' - that sounds like you're going to be given something to solve, perhaps enter the hold etc?

Lstly, if one gets through the Stage 1 PSP, what does the Stage 2 entail in DXB?

Thanks, and good luck to those aspiring to join EK:ok:

Spend money here: Emirates (EK) Pilot Interview and Assessment-Latest Pilot Jobs-Latest Pilot Jobs
Simple.

Just done that - thanks.
The info they give there regarding the Heathrow SIM profile is not very detailed, its basically what EK give you in the email. I assume the profile is very similar to the DXB one..anyone done a EGLL profile with them yet?