Joker

515 (or Q11, whatever!) might alway be very positive and borderline management wannabee, you clearly must be one of the recently joined MORONS that think they know everything!

Your posts are proof QR needs to rethink its recruitment process:ugh:

Standing by for MOD deletion, as usual. Take NOJOKE down with me than please, he is irritating the hell out of me.

Qatari515, thanks for the insights, I had long been thinking of a similar post, but thought to myself, who am I kidding. I’ve personally been in the Company for almost 8 years, and to be honest, Its never been as bad as exaggerated by our comrades here. Even though, I’m on the other side of the pointy end, we do share cabins with similarly frustrated team members, with the Whine Flu rather.
Now our friends are gonna ask me (while loading their ammo for a brutal attack) If there are so many complaining and you are of the few happier members, surely there’s something wrong with the system and surely ur on the Vaseline trip waiting for that upgrade or a management guy. WELL the answers are NO.
Lets get with the basics, every company has a unique way of dealing with their operations, and well so does QR. Yes, they might not seem conventional or logical to some , but once again you must remember, its not just the airline but the entire region. You decided to come here, and need to understand that it is you who has to adapt to QR’s practices and the country’s culture, not the other way around. Yes, its surely not going to be easy, and the ones that survive are the ones that are patient and know what they are in for. Its always a WIN WIN situation dear friends, whts innit for you and whts innit for them. Am sure most of YOU came here although you knew the facts, both honest and the bulls, (more of those on Pprune) and now expect to change everything or came with foolish wishful thinking and great expectations? Not so clever, this is what you get take it or leave it OR make the most of it (WIN WIN) OR spend your precious time being disgruntled with life, your team members, everything that surrounds you and vent it all out on this forum. The way I see it and I don’t mean to be harsh, you are loosing. Make the best of what you have Positively! If u decide to ride the waves during the storms, go ahead ! But please spare others of your negativity. When u’ve ultimately found solace in this ever so changing, abusive and harsh industry, go for it! Don’t be too bothered by wht QR is gonna do if everyone left one day, what matters is what you gonna do.
As far as the so called “injustices” have been concerned, please people get your facts right. How many would actually admit that they had asked for it..? Unfortunately, not everything you see is invisible as this is another one of QR’s ways of doing things, and then the so called rumor network to spice it all up.
What Qatari 515 has mentioned in all his posts is very close to the real deal, and if you read carefully, it’s not all cake walk, yes things could be better, but he’s got a positive attitude and to me, that’s the most important thing to survive the current wx.
Good luck to all of you joining, remember, WIN WIN!!

What??
 

SlidyTurfy, you must be Q11 also. Mods?? I have crossed swords with both your identites, but never reported to the .... (Moderator) said quitely. xxx

PS
 

Could you write your message in larger and bolder type. I missed your message.:ok:

PPS Love ya :}

Turfy
 

Not a moron and not new; by the way. Well perhaps a moron, its a matter of degree you know; or not as the case might be. :cool:

Has this thread been hijacked or is this bickering relevant to the main topic?

Suggest we start a new thread regarding interviews/hiring/etc.

Soz
 

Sorry old bean, you are correct. How can I help you?

Nothing to do with me old boy, nothing to do with me.:}

A bit over the edge (STs reaction), but not totally undeserved I would say. I never intended to start this pissing contest anyway, and I only did what I always do. I try to provide facts to people willing to join.

Too positive for certain people (immidiatly been bombarded to Chief pilot fleets by Mr NoJoke here) but from the PM comments I have been receiving, not everybody seems to think I am spreading useless and overly positive news.

No Joke, you take the" taking you personally" slogan of QR too litterally mate. Relax.

Back here to answer questions from normal people. That is people open for the possible positive aspects of joining QR as well as the negative.

Well, duty calls gentlemen. Enjoy your evening and Ill catch up with y'all when at destination.

Q11
 

No problem. Keep well, and have a good flight.

NJ :ok:

QR 515
 

This QR515 is so funny he asked me if i had hear CEO saying that we are cheap drivers ? Well QR 515 have you hear all about you write on this forum by yore self ? If you did i must admit you must be superman or KGB spy or you can be on 100 places in same time .
If i am CEO i would be happy to have someone who love me so much as you love CEO and i am sure if one day CEO go to Dr to do ultrasound they will find you inside. I know the way of entering was hard and maybe crowded but i see you manage to penetrate deep. Is that snake S.K next to you ?
I fly with Qatari pilots often i i never flown with one who like CEO and they all make fun of him.

How the cash flow in QR: you as A340 Commander take minimum fuel to LHR and save QR some money then you go with a crew for dinner and one or 2 of the crew show you LV bag given as gift on promotion flight by HIM. LV is about 1000-1500 $ . What ever you save it goes to F2 LV bag .

Can we please stick to the topics that make sense? We really don't care QR2009!! Interview info would be great! Thank you!

QR
 

Understand you need a job.

Info about Interview :
On Interview you will not be told the true about QR
as : there are over 120 ACN ( air crew notice ) which starts with its not allowed and end with termination .
Regarding accommodation they will tell you as CM1 you get villa and as F/O you get 3 bedroom apartment ( expect to be cheated when you join)
In terms and contract conditions you will sign there will be some things that you will not be granted after you join but what can you do as you already quit a job back home or you just keep quiet as you are in need of job .

If you ask me and i can turn my life back 9 y i would try EY,Vietnam,EK,Gulf Air,Air Arabia, but not QR only because of treatment of pilots which i never saw worse in my life and i fly in airlines 20 y.It is only done by one man and ones he is terminated the world will be a better place .

widebody300er

Pipe down little boy, you don't even work here, and this is NOT an interview information forum.
Information is circulated only out of general consideration and not your god given right. there are people here who are disgruntled and need a forum to vent these frustrations without outsiders like you and your self serving comments.

get the job here before you start with that attitude mate.

you'll understand after a few months in this place.

wZt

No matter how frustrated you are, the language and the personal attacks of "United" are embarrassing, not professional or constructive and don´t help anyone.

Wango Z Tango,

I agree with a few things you said however the way people are treating one another is not professional!! So I'm just trying to get as much useful info as I can!! This is a free forum and is not your God given right!! And trust me I'm sure not a little boy You would be very surprised if we were to meet and if I was to get a job there I would leave the attitude to someone else mate..It's not me at all.. Just trying to get ahead like the next guy!

Fly safe mate..
WB

DUNNY2009

I like that sense of humor.. LOL:ok:

time does fly out here, anyone one in this place for any length of time will understand what I mean. it's been a interesting ride and shows no sign of stopping. so many people come and go, even in these times of global turn down we see many resignation per month.:rolleyes:

I've been around these parts so long that i've actually found a comfort zone, I think i've been poisoned :ugh:


Poisoned by Compromise
Krunch

Dunny
 

Dunny you're so funny. Even toilet humour!

Hi,

looks like you might be getting some experienced pilots for both seats in the near future from a LHR/LGW based carrier.

Rgds

Hi EPR SET,

its the other LHR/LGW outfit.

Regarding rostering issues....

On the 777 for instance after a Houston or a Whashington (ultra long haul) how many days off in a row would you have?

Is it true that they have the habit of rostering a stand-by day in the middle of a block of days off so it is difficult to go anywhere (ie to go back home to Europe)?

How long are people hearing back from Qatar Airways regarding interviews after their application arrives? Waiting patiently for an interview invite, potentially.

"eiffel" would you mind shairing some info about your interview... thanx

I am also waiting for an invite.....

Why QR?
 

Didn't you guys read the warnings here year after year! Korean, Vietnam, China etc looking for pilots right now. Good money, commuting contracts, why in the hell you want to join QR?! :eek:

Uhh!?

Might want to check another thread about KAL.:eek:

Cheers

Qatar Interview
 

FYI, I applied to Qatar back in Jan 2009 and had no response. Lately I resubmited my application form. This time I filled it all out by hand, and it was sent by snail mail - everything was done according to their "instructions" on the first page: black ink, pages signed, photos stapled etc. I've got an invitation for the interview within two weeks time since I visited my local post office. I must say that's pretty quick. My interview is on November 4th, 2009 - that gives me some time to prepare.

There are at least thirteen possible test papers, questions are very wide ranging. Eg.

How long to evacuate an aircraft with more than 44 seats ?
TODA is ?
Type of cloud with virga ?
Holding pattern entries
Interperate a TAF, ie what will the wind be when you arrive ?
VMCA is ?
ISA is ?
Emergency descent, first action ?
ILS CAT I RVR ?

Of the four possible answers, one you can reject immediately, one after short consideration, the remaining two are very similarly worded so you need to know exactly what is being asked.


"Ace the Technical Pilot Interview" is a good start, but with such a wide ranging base it's time to pull out your ATPL notes and go right through them.
Know performance, MET codes, aerodynamics, JEPPS, instruments etc

Having said this, most people seem to get through. Lost 1/10 on my test, mates group next day lost 2.

Prepare, prepare and prepare:ok:

IATA summary (08/09)
 

For people like NoJoke and others, still believing that aviation will restart anytime soon. It is slowly getting better, but still a far cry of a real recovery!

The only region with a slight improvement IS the Middle East. So for many pilots out there te middle east is the only option.

Just FYI

In the Red, Despite Demand Improvements

Geneva - The International Air Transport Association (IATA) announced international scheduled traffic results for July showing passenger demand declining 2.9% compared to the same month in the previous year while freight demand was down 11.3%. The international passenger load factors stood at 80.3%.

The July passenger demand fall of 2.9% was a relative improvement over the 7.2% drop in June and the 6.8% decline recorded over the first seven months of the year. July capacity was more in line with reduced demand than in previous months and load factors are similar to those recorded in July 2008. These positive developments, however, have come at the expense of yields which continue to fall sharply.

The 11.3% decline in cargo demand for July was also a relative improvement over the -16.5% recorded in June and the -19.3% average for the first seven months of the year. Despite this improvement, the July freight load factor of 47.6% was lower than the 49% recorded in July 2008.

“Demand may look better, but the bottom line has not improved. We have seen little change to the unprecedented fall in yields and revenues. The months ahead are marked by many uncertainties, including the price of oil. The road to recovery will be both slow and volatile. In the meantime, the industry remains in intensive care,” said Giovanni Bisignani, IATA’s Director General and CEO.

International Passenger Demand

All regions saw improved demand performance compared to June, but significant differences by region should be noted:

Asia-Pacific carriers are experiencing the extremes of this recession. The 7.6% fall in passenger demand compared to July 2008, was the largest decline of any region. At the same time, compared to the -14.5% recorded in June, the relative improvement to -7.6% was also the biggest among all regions. Economic growth returned during the second quarter in a number of Asian economies, to a much larger extent than elsewhere. This was likely the driver behind July’s better performance. The impact on passenger confidence from Influenza A(H1N1) was also somewhat diminished as media coverage of the disease decreased.
European and North American carriers saw declines of 3.1% and 3.2% respectively. Passengers have been trading down to cheaper seats in the face of recession pressures. Airlines have also been leaving less expensive fares open for sale much longer (closer to departure dates) in the face of excess capacity and intensifying competition. The July improvement in travel demand was more the result of deep discounting than stronger incomes or greater economic confidence.
Latin American carriers saw demand decline by 3.5%. This was the only region to see a greater decline in July than the seven month average which is -3.0%.
African carriers saw a fall of 5.5% compared to the seven month average of -8.6%.
Middle Eastern carriers were the only region to grow in July. The 13.2% growth in July was slightly better than the 12.9% recorded in June. The growth is fueled by increased capacity and greater market share in traffic between Europe and Asia.
International Air Freight

Freight demand on international markets was 11.3% lower in July than a year earlier, but was a considerably better result than the -16.5% recorded in June. All regions, except Africa, saw improvement in demand compared to June. The Middle East was the only region to grow.

Falls by Asia-Pacific carriers, European carriers and North American carriers were 9.5%, 16.2% and 14.6% respectively.
African carriers posted the worst performance at -25.9%. This was the only region to see a deterioration in freight demand compared to June when the region’s carriers posted a 20.2% decline compared to the same month in the previous year.
Middle Eastern carriers were the only region to grow, posting a 1% growth in demand compared to July 2008.
Latin American carriers posted a 1.2% fall in demand compared to July 2008.
The stabilization of air freight demand in the first quarter and its improvement in the second quarter has helped reduce the rate at which excess capacity has been growing. But load factors are still lower than levels seen at the same time last year. Downward pressure on freight rates and revenues continued to intensify in July.

“The freight numbers tell an interesting story. The sector is being boosted as companies re-stock depleted inventories. Once inventories are at desired levels in relation to sales, improvements in demand will level off until business and consumer confidence returns. Given the large amount of debt in all sectors of the economy, instant relief is not in the forecast,” said Bisignani.

“Airlines need to make their money in the June-August peak travel season. Planes are full. Load factors are high. But revenues are way down. Conserving cash, effectively managing capacity and cutting costs will be the long-term theme for every business in the air transport value chain,” said Bisignani.

View full July traffic results

-IATA-
Contact:
Anthony Concil
Director Corporate Communications
Tel: + 41 22 770 2967
Email: [email protected]

Q
 

1) Traffic data for Jul-2009 from the Air Transport Association of America (ATA) reveals some early signs of improvements, with member carriers seeing an uptick in traffic (RPMs) in the month. But US airlines are by no means out of the woods, with the US aviation industry still seeing heavy price discounting. An interesting barometer will be the release of ATA yield data for Jul-2009 shortly. Jun-2009 yields showed further deterioration from May-2009.
RPM reductions milder in Jul-2009 than in 1H2009, but still choppy

During Jul-2009, ATA member traffic (RPM) reductions were generally much milder than in the previous six months of the year. While Pacific RPMs growth showed the most drastic improvement (from -11.9% in Jun-2009 to -1.3% in Jul-2009), the Pacific was the first market to deteriorate last year, with traffic already falling in Mar-2008. By Jul-2008, Pacific RPMs were already down 4.5%, so the decreases are now compounding.

2) BAA stated its UK airports last month had their “best underlying group figures since September 2008”, with Heathrow’s network strength “remaining evident”. BAA's UK airports handled a total of 12.7 million passengers in Jun-2009, down 5.9% year-on-year, the highest figure for nine months, setting aside the distortion in April and March due to the timing of Easter.

The airport operator stated that although all key markets were lower in June than a year earlier, all markets (except European Charter) improved on their performance for the last six months. Domestic traffic was 8.1% down in June and European Scheduled by 2.8%. North Atlantic traffic was 9.4% lower, but Other Long Haul was almost level with last year at -0.2%.

Of the individual airports, Heathrow recorded a decline of 3.1%, stronger than the other airports “because of its hub status and the resultant growth in transfer passengers”. Gatwick traffic was 7.6% down year-on-year, while Stansted’s passenger traffic was down 11.5%.

Some people are naturally optimist, others are not. Although the figures are not fantastic they are showing underlying improvements. Couple to this that Airline growth has been suppressed since 9/11 due to SARS and the current situation, when the World economies recover, then so will the Airlines - with vengeance. We will see who is right over the next 18 months. ;)

I personally think that since the global economy is recovering, why shouldn't the aviation sector go back to pre-recession growth eventually?

Question for QR pilots: on the housing front, do a lot of married-with-family FO's decide to "take the money" and find their own accomodation (compound villas)?

It doesn't matter if you are married, at present F/O's are required to live in flats.

Now, you may be able to procure a 3br instead of 2br depending on your circumstances.

Good Luck!:ok:

Can you not be paid the housing allowance in order to find your own accomodation instead of living in company allocated accomodation?

Pilot accomodation cost cuts, from now cpts only to get 3 bed apprt, fos 2 bed no matter about family. All layover hotels downgrings to 3-4 star hotels at airport costs to be cut all over to make proffit for ipo. B787 to be cencelled

Cencelled???

Abeo,

All F/O's are required to occupy company housing. Only Capts. have the option to move into the city. This is true regardless of family size.

I know for a fact that there are F/O's with families getting 3br flats. This as recently as 3 weeks ago.;)

I can't vouch for the hotels on layovers.:ok:

Thanks a lot for you replies Capt. Oryx.

Bugger though as we're not appartment people... Having a barbecue in a flat has its downsides...

I can certainly relate to that!!!

Just thought you ought to know the facts before you make any decisions.

Good Luck:ok:

Last questions for the evening: are the flats fairly new and modern style? Do you have any idea of size?

Thanks again for taking the time to reply!

I wouldn't begin to guess about the size. Only because I would not want you to get your hopes up!

I will say this, they are designed to be fully furnished. And I mean linens kitchen and all. This does not mean you will like the quality of linens and kitchen equipment, but it is functional.

Best bet, when you come for the interview/sim eval, spend an extra day, go to Ain Khalid Gate and look for yourself.

Good Luck!!:ok:

Thanks again Capt. Oryx.

I will definitely take the time to check Ain Khalid Gate out.

From what I've seen and read on the internet: not the best looking environment maybe, although pictures don't always do a place justice, but the pools are large and the vibe (for a young family) could be right.

Cheers for the info.:ok:

Abeo

Any pics of FO housing for Qatar
 

Hey guys just wondering if any one has a link, pics or info of the housing for FO's working for Qatar?

Is there any difference in housing between married and single FO's?

Also has any one gotten any info package from the airline like the one Emirate's used to send with city, airline, distractions, etc?

Thanks for your reply in advance :ok: