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WOW!!!
What an exhaustive read to this point.
Typical of most airline FDC who perceive their CEOs as plonkers. However, I can't think of a successful airline run by FDC despite our uncanny belief that we know best how to run things. Funny, that. But then most FDC also think they have the right solutions for almost anything.
Ours is to enjoy the task we so readily seek to occupy our time with and get paid for doing it. Right? Isn't that why we fly???
A good number of you in this thread should try to imagine a world in which you are not employed. You are not flying, full stop! You can't stay current and you can't afford to stay current and the further you go out of recency the less chance you have to land a job flying aeroplanes. Which I can assure you, really, really sucks. Perhaps then you will be better able to enjoy QR and the excellent equipment you must surely be operating.
Would it be possible to solicit a middle-of-the-road response from someone presently IN Qatar Airways
regarding the following request for information? (Possibly ex-Royal A310)
Firstly, the middle east is still the middle east. That means Christian foreigners are likely to find numerous differences in life and lifestyle. Which is what the majority of complaints in this thread seem to be about.
So let's cut to the chase.
With the worldwide employment situation for pilots being what it is....how's the work for the A300-600 fleet. I understand it's mostly European destinations and is the compensation package that unrealistic given the state of the economy and cost of expansion? Not to mention the revenue loads/numbers generating dollars for QR to divy up amongst the various slices of the expense 'pie'. It may be a wealthy emirate but airlines everywhere are in agony and some could soon find themselves out-of-business.
How do you get this airline to respond to your application? My time and experience is beyond what they are asking for and I even have (not recently) bags of A300-600 time.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
What an exhaustive read to this point.
Typical of most airline FDC who perceive their CEOs as plonkers. However, I can't think of a successful airline run by FDC despite our uncanny belief that we know best how to run things. Funny, that. But then most FDC also think they have the right solutions for almost anything.
Ours is to enjoy the task we so readily seek to occupy our time with and get paid for doing it. Right? Isn't that why we fly???
A good number of you in this thread should try to imagine a world in which you are not employed. You are not flying, full stop! You can't stay current and you can't afford to stay current and the further you go out of recency the less chance you have to land a job flying aeroplanes. Which I can assure you, really, really sucks. Perhaps then you will be better able to enjoy QR and the excellent equipment you must surely be operating.
Would it be possible to solicit a middle-of-the-road response from someone presently IN Qatar Airways
regarding the following request for information? (Possibly ex-Royal A310)Firstly, the middle east is still the middle east. That means Christian foreigners are likely to find numerous differences in life and lifestyle. Which is what the majority of complaints in this thread seem to be about.
So let's cut to the chase.
With the worldwide employment situation for pilots being what it is....how's the work for the A300-600 fleet. I understand it's mostly European destinations and is the compensation package that unrealistic given the state of the economy and cost of expansion? Not to mention the revenue loads/numbers generating dollars for QR to divy up amongst the various slices of the expense 'pie'. It may be a wealthy emirate but airlines everywhere are in agony and some could soon find themselves out-of-business.
How do you get this airline to respond to your application? My time and experience is beyond what they are asking for and I even have (not recently) bags of A300-600 time.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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No More Ex Sabena ??
recently a Belgium 320 F/O left Qatar Airways in a hurry... in doing so he left most of his belongings to and American chap from his starting course, and slipped out of the country with his new bride and with out a sound.. he was good enough to send back his company attire but not before shredding them and putting them in the post, destin for Qatar Airways... a very childish thing to do to say the least... in doing that he has made it extremely difficult for the others from the same Ex national airline to join the airline..
I'm sure this will come back to haunt him one day.. as we all know this is a small industry.. The same would go for his accomplis, the American fellow....
I feel bad for my Sabena colleagues.. as things are difficult enough with out immature under experienced children making things worse.
I'm sure this will come back to haunt him one day.. as we all know this is a small industry.. The same would go for his accomplis, the American fellow....
I feel bad for my Sabena colleagues.. as things are difficult enough with out immature under experienced children making things worse.
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I also recently recieved reports on this Belgium and American...I agee I.D.W.H this kind of thing makes it harder for guys like us who like it here, are willing to go the distance and want to stick around..
I would assume, due to the fact we are growing at such an alarming rate, it would leave some room for the bad apples such as them to creep in un detected..
lesson learned.
I would assume, due to the fact we are growing at such an alarming rate, it would leave some room for the bad apples such as them to creep in un detected..
lesson learned.
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I find it disgusting the way this Belgian left!!!!
The least thing you could do is show the company some respect! For all sake, they hired him and gave him a job! I can understand that someone is unhappy somewhere but that does not want to say that you have to behave like an a***hole!
And he planned it very well because a week prior his cowardish run he shipped stuff to belgium!!
The biggest problem now indeed is that he virtually ruined all the chances for Belgians ( ex sabena) to be hired by QR! This was confirmed to me recently! A lot of guys where waiting for an answer from QR, ab initios as well. I guess there dreams just dissappeared!!!
For all the rest of us here, all nationalities, this will probably mean that we will loose certain priviliges! Remember that the multi exit visa is a very big privilege granted to us by QR!!!!!!!
Allready they are looking into a plan where they will not pay your salary untill the time you report back in Doha comming from leave!!! Thanks B.M.!!!!!!!!
Off course this guy now is employed safely by LTE !!!!! A contract he could not refuse! Very nice! Next time use your minimalistic brain you egocentric bastard!
Concerning the american accomplice, I would not worry too much. ...he is well connected!
It is very easy to jump ship guys...But plse think about all the others around you! They will pay heavily for what you did!
My only relief: this is a very small world and what goes around comes around! I hope he will get what he deserves!
The least thing you could do is show the company some respect! For all sake, they hired him and gave him a job! I can understand that someone is unhappy somewhere but that does not want to say that you have to behave like an a***hole!
And he planned it very well because a week prior his cowardish run he shipped stuff to belgium!!
The biggest problem now indeed is that he virtually ruined all the chances for Belgians ( ex sabena) to be hired by QR! This was confirmed to me recently! A lot of guys where waiting for an answer from QR, ab initios as well. I guess there dreams just dissappeared!!!
For all the rest of us here, all nationalities, this will probably mean that we will loose certain priviliges! Remember that the multi exit visa is a very big privilege granted to us by QR!!!!!!!
Allready they are looking into a plan where they will not pay your salary untill the time you report back in Doha comming from leave!!! Thanks B.M.!!!!!!!!
Off course this guy now is employed safely by LTE !!!!! A contract he could not refuse! Very nice! Next time use your minimalistic brain you egocentric bastard!
Concerning the american accomplice, I would not worry too much. ...he is well connected!
It is very easy to jump ship guys...But plse think about all the others around you! They will pay heavily for what you did!
My only relief: this is a very small world and what goes around comes around! I hope he will get what he deserves!
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As well as Europe, the A300's also fly Asian and sub-continental routes, not to mention North Africa and dense Gulf sectors.
Most operations now in two classes on these machines.
Most operations now in two classes on these machines.
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One would think that the American might be well connected,, but one thing rings true.. if your Deputy Chief Pilot found out he was the one being played.. well then he would not be so well connected anymore.. would he..?
Anyone who would support actions that were taken up by Ben the Belgium should also recieve the same punishment as the one he had assisited... as you said.. the actions of both persons will contribue to making this harder for all you..
I feel very bad for all those that are trying to make it work, only to be shafted by a pair of selfish Idiots..
one can only hope that the Ban on hireing Sabena pilots due to these idiots will not be indefinate..
everyone has a family to feed.
Hope things get better for you all at QA
Anyone who would support actions that were taken up by Ben the Belgium should also recieve the same punishment as the one he had assisited... as you said.. the actions of both persons will contribue to making this harder for all you..
I feel very bad for all those that are trying to make it work, only to be shafted by a pair of selfish Idiots..
one can only hope that the Ban on hireing Sabena pilots due to these idiots will not be indefinate..
everyone has a family to feed.
Hope things get better for you all at QA
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Job's at Qatar?
Just wondering, is their anybody out their, with contacts in the HRM dept. I sent my CV about three months ago, no answer up till now? Not from Belguim, by the way! I am not type rated on any of their current aircraft, so maybe that's a problem? TT 17,000 wide body..but no Airbus experience.:
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Think about it .... if Qatar Airways was run as a decent, caring company that treated its employees with a reasonable degree of respect, then people would not need to "jump ship" in this way. When it's run like a prison camp it's not surprising that inmates have to hatch escape plans.
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I'm sure QR will make the mature decision to ban all ex Sabena pilots, all Belgian nationals, and possibly all French or Dutch speaking pilots.
Shut up guys (and gals); remember you are a privileged lot. QR has even given you a multiple exit visa!!!!
While the young man in question may have shown a less than desirable behavior, I often find the following to be true:
When you treat people like idiots, they react like idiots.
And in Knoteetingham,
is never to blame.
Shut up guys (and gals); remember you are a privileged lot. QR has even given you a multiple exit visa!!!!
While the young man in question may have shown a less than desirable behavior, I often find the following to be true:
When you treat people like idiots, they react like idiots.
And in Knoteetingham,
is never to blame.
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Hello everybody!!!!
Guys we don't have to be to hard on the poor man! I heard one of the TRE was a good friend of him. Also they were after him for personal reasons something that had to do with a female CSD and he knew something was coming! Not to excuse him but I believe that before we judge somebody we must all know all the facts.
Cheers and happy landings!!!
Cheers and happy landings!!!
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I wonder if 'ManaAdanSystem' is jealous of pilots from the Benelux? I know, that one or two may have been out of order , but to put every national of those countries into the same pot is abusrd. Do you or don't you know, if QR need's pilots or not?
I am sure that we not only qualify but probaly have better work ethics than yourself? After all, you are the one's, whom are looking for flight crew?
I am sure that we not only qualify but probaly have better work ethics than yourself? After all, you are the one's, whom are looking for flight crew?
Hope you don't plan to bring that up if you go for an interview...
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In hindsight, my apologies if I sounded ofensive in my comments to your Benelux bashing. I imagine your reasoning in complaining about the Belguim chap, could or was justified. But, please don't put everyone from these countries,into the the same pot! I imagine the Belguim guy had a reason, to do what he did. His way of leaving, obviously was not the way to go about things?
My apologies, once again...don't worry, I wont talk about ethics in my interview...if I ever am granted one!
In hindsight, my apologies if I sounded ofensive in my comments to your Benelux bashing. I imagine your reasoning in complaining about the Belguim chap, could or was justified. But, please don't put everyone from these countries,into the the same pot! I imagine the Belguim guy had a reason, to do what he did. His way of leaving, obviously was not the way to go about things?
My apologies, once again...don't worry, I wont talk about ethics in my interview...if I ever am granted one!
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Did I get it wrong?
Your post suggests that pilots from Belgium are somehow superior to pilots from other countries and that Belgian pilots are doing QR a favour by making themselves available?
My apology if I've gotten it wrong, but
Pullllleeeeeeese!!!!
Might I suggest you tone it down a little bit for there are talented pilots out here from all walks of life, many different cultures with varying degrees of experience and ability which QR could well put to good use.
As a TRI I can assure you there is no one country, culture, race or religion with a monopoly on 'smarts'.
The manner in which this young lad seems to have left QR is certainly not new in the Middle East and it will undoubtedly happen again. The fact that he may be Belgian is of no consequence. The fact that he may be Belgian will undoubtedly make the Qataris 'gun-shy' when it comes to Belgian applicants.
To suggest discrimination on the basis of ones nationality henseforth in the hiring practices at QR isn't outside the realm of possibility, is it?
I suppose by saying so, it just makes YOU feel better.
Did I get it wrong?
Your post suggests that pilots from Belgium are somehow superior to pilots from other countries and that Belgian pilots are doing QR a favour by making themselves available?
My apology if I've gotten it wrong, but
Pullllleeeeeeese!!!!
Might I suggest you tone it down a little bit for there are talented pilots out here from all walks of life, many different cultures with varying degrees of experience and ability which QR could well put to good use.
As a TRI I can assure you there is no one country, culture, race or religion with a monopoly on 'smarts'.
The manner in which this young lad seems to have left QR is certainly not new in the Middle East and it will undoubtedly happen again. The fact that he may be Belgian is of no consequence. The fact that he may be Belgian will undoubtedly make the Qataris 'gun-shy' when it comes to Belgian applicants.
To suggest discrimination on the basis of ones nationality henseforth in the hiring practices at QR isn't outside the realm of possibility, is it?
I suppose by saying so, it just makes YOU feel better.
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Not really! Just thought that the comment: 'QR should make a mature decision to ban all Sabena, all Belguim nationals and possibly all French or Dutch speaking pilots', a bit over the top? I wonder, if that includes 'french speaking Canadian's'?
By the way you probably misinterpreted my apology. My apology to ManaAdaSystem was sincere.
By the way you probably misinterpreted my apology. My apology to ManaAdaSystem was sincere.