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So, where'd you disappear to??
Last I saw of you was in the Falcon Express topic giving me a flaming of a life time for comments I made over a year ago. I presume you got my reply. As a matter of fact, I was expecting that you would reply back. Actually, I almost feel like you owe me a reply. Unfortunately the Falcon tread lost it's flare and fizzled away but after our "encounter" there was nothing from you, so where'd you go??
I was really hoping that we could resolve the differences and move forward. I'd still be greatful if you could help me out by passing on some info about Falcon Express which it sounded like you had lots of. This would perhaps be that little bit of help I need to get my career going in a upward direction oppose to the stagnant state it seems to be in right now.
Looking forward to your reply. If you would like, by all means, PM me if you wish.
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Joe
Last I saw of you was in the Falcon Express topic giving me a flaming of a life time for comments I made over a year ago. I presume you got my reply. As a matter of fact, I was expecting that you would reply back. Actually, I almost feel like you owe me a reply. Unfortunately the Falcon tread lost it's flare and fizzled away but after our "encounter" there was nothing from you, so where'd you go??
I was really hoping that we could resolve the differences and move forward. I'd still be greatful if you could help me out by passing on some info about Falcon Express which it sounded like you had lots of. This would perhaps be that little bit of help I need to get my career going in a upward direction oppose to the stagnant state it seems to be in right now.
Looking forward to your reply. If you would like, by all means, PM me if you wish.
Cheers,
Joe
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The reason the Falcon thread lost its flare is because the company is getting in such a sorry state moral wise, is that nobody can be bothered with the bitching anymore.
Do yourself a favour (though I suspect you are a mole) and look for another company to get into. You will have a much better life for it!
The reason the Falcon thread lost its flare is because the company is getting in such a sorry state moral wise, is that nobody can be bothered with the bitching anymore.
Do yourself a favour (though I suspect you are a mole) and look for another company to get into. You will have a much better life for it!
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Thanks for the replies.
Hector: It was quite obvious that some people aren't happy at Falcon and there is low morale, however I didn't realize it was as bleak a picture as you painted. Do you know first hand? Is it mainly management that is the cause of this low morale? Thanks for the advice anyhow.
BP: I was looking for advice from baconeater. It's not an issue of letting it go, but if that was the reason that baconeater was not passing any info on, I thought that resolving the situation might free bacon's locked tongue. I guess I was wrong. As for Jeff, I suspect you have me mistaken for someone else.
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Joe
Hector: It was quite obvious that some people aren't happy at Falcon and there is low morale, however I didn't realize it was as bleak a picture as you painted. Do you know first hand? Is it mainly management that is the cause of this low morale? Thanks for the advice anyhow.
BP: I was looking for advice from baconeater. It's not an issue of letting it go, but if that was the reason that baconeater was not passing any info on, I thought that resolving the situation might free bacon's locked tongue. I guess I was wrong. As for Jeff, I suspect you have me mistaken for someone else.
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Can neither confirm nor deny if my knowledge is first hand, suffice to say its close enough. To answer your questions, management is OK. They do a reasonable job with limited resources. Could pour a little more cash into the appearance of the planes however. I'm told they are airworthy.
There is only one problem with Falcon. The Chief Pilot. He is in no way shape or form a representitive of the pilot staff and seems to be more preoccupied with catching pilots out through deviant means in order to bolster his own insecurities.
Otherwise Falcon has the potential to be the great company it once was.
Perhaps with a few more Canadians like yourself on board it might improve.
Can neither confirm nor deny if my knowledge is first hand, suffice to say its close enough. To answer your questions, management is OK. They do a reasonable job with limited resources. Could pour a little more cash into the appearance of the planes however. I'm told they are airworthy.
There is only one problem with Falcon. The Chief Pilot. He is in no way shape or form a representitive of the pilot staff and seems to be more preoccupied with catching pilots out through deviant means in order to bolster his own insecurities.
Otherwise Falcon has the potential to be the great company it once was.
Perhaps with a few more Canadians like yourself on board it might improve.
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Hector,
You say "management is OK" but are they not part of the problem. Management should realise that the people working in their organisation are the most important asset they have and should encourage good morale in order to get the best out of the people.
Does management know of the problem some of you have with your Chief Pilot? If so and if they dont do something to solve the problem then they are contributing to it just as much.
Also dont they realise that a lot of people around the world do read this very public forum and all this talk of low morale is giving your company a very bad name. Management must not be too fussed about your public image then.
I used to want to join Falcon but now see it as a bit of light humour everytime I read your company threads.
Out of interest is anyone happy there??
You say "management is OK" but are they not part of the problem. Management should realise that the people working in their organisation are the most important asset they have and should encourage good morale in order to get the best out of the people.
Does management know of the problem some of you have with your Chief Pilot? If so and if they dont do something to solve the problem then they are contributing to it just as much.
Also dont they realise that a lot of people around the world do read this very public forum and all this talk of low morale is giving your company a very bad name. Management must not be too fussed about your public image then.
I used to want to join Falcon but now see it as a bit of light humour everytime I read your company threads.
Out of interest is anyone happy there??
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Hector: Again, thanks for your input. Not so interested in how you got your info, rather that it's accurate.
I would LOVE to hear more about how the Chief Pilot "catches" the pilots. Pardon me for my total insanity, but isn't the Chief Pilot suppose to be the leader of a team instead of the rat?? Surprised to hear that needless to say!!
Speaking about the CP, I heard he was the Chief Flight Instrutor and that the position was awarded due to the lack of interest by the other pilots? Any truth to that? Pardon me for being so blunt to say this, but it seems like this might be a case of an individual who has the book smarts but lacks the street smarts!?
betavalve: It could just be me reading your posts incorrectly but you seem to have a lot of attitude and opinion towards a company that you don't even work for? What gives? Don't get me wrong, your last comments where quite right, however there are most likely a million factors involved and I'd say we're privy to 5-10% of them. Hardly enough to really rant about something we can't change. Lets just get as much info as we can, thrown in the required salt and make a decision from there?!?! Deal?
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Joe
I would LOVE to hear more about how the Chief Pilot "catches" the pilots. Pardon me for my total insanity, but isn't the Chief Pilot suppose to be the leader of a team instead of the rat?? Surprised to hear that needless to say!!
Speaking about the CP, I heard he was the Chief Flight Instrutor and that the position was awarded due to the lack of interest by the other pilots? Any truth to that? Pardon me for being so blunt to say this, but it seems like this might be a case of an individual who has the book smarts but lacks the street smarts!?
betavalve: It could just be me reading your posts incorrectly but you seem to have a lot of attitude and opinion towards a company that you don't even work for? What gives? Don't get me wrong, your last comments where quite right, however there are most likely a million factors involved and I'd say we're privy to 5-10% of them. Hardly enough to really rant about something we can't change. Lets just get as much info as we can, thrown in the required salt and make a decision from there?!?! Deal?
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Nice one. I actually thought my contribution to this thread was fairly impartial. If management of a company are aware of a problem (and I'm guessing here because they may be completely oblivious to a problem even existing), then it is surely their responsibility to rectify the problem. I agree with you that there may be many other factors but why then are these other factors not making the thread.
Anyway I agree more info from actual employees of this company should come out (especially the "deviant means" eh Hector).
You got one thing right there Joe - the CP is supposed to be the leader of the team and not the rat.
Nice one. I actually thought my contribution to this thread was fairly impartial. If management of a company are aware of a problem (and I'm guessing here because they may be completely oblivious to a problem even existing), then it is surely their responsibility to rectify the problem. I agree with you that there may be many other factors but why then are these other factors not making the thread.
Anyway I agree more info from actual employees of this company should come out (especially the "deviant means" eh Hector).
You got one thing right there Joe - the CP is supposed to be the leader of the team and not the rat.
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It seems like a few people out there who don't work for falcon just like to beat us up as much as they can on pprune.If you ask most of the pilots working at falcon today , they are happy about having this JOB.Surely ,there are things that can improve but if you really care about the company you work for , then do it constructively.I'd suggest to anyone working at FECA that has a problem with the chief pilot,please give him a call and talk to him instead of blasting him off on this forum.It takes a second to destroy a relationship but years to build one.
Lots of guys who've worked here in the past and have then moved on to great jobs at airlines like cathay,dragonair,NAS,airlines in europe and the states and I'm sure once things pick up globally there'll be more movements happening.
Yes I'm a pilot at falcon and I enjoy what I do here and someday intend to move on when things pick up globally ..but you know what, it's hard for me to move on to a new job and lose what i have here, and the only reason I'd consider moving is for the experience of flying jets.
Well , there you have it folks and please let's try to make things better.
Lots of guys who've worked here in the past and have then moved on to great jobs at airlines like cathay,dragonair,NAS,airlines in europe and the states and I'm sure once things pick up globally there'll be more movements happening.
Yes I'm a pilot at falcon and I enjoy what I do here and someday intend to move on when things pick up globally ..but you know what, it's hard for me to move on to a new job and lose what i have here, and the only reason I'd consider moving is for the experience of flying jets.
Well , there you have it folks and please let's try to make things better.
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Good point nosirrah,
I must say that I do respect you for your total honesty and pride in the company that you work for. Good on you.
As for "bashing" Falcon, I certainly hope it wasn't me your where refering to as those are not my intentions at all. Rather my intentions are to gain information so a can join the team at Falcon.
As for your message, I hear you 100%, however, when an outsider is looking for info on a future employer, and the response from others is that the CP is a rat, that raises eyebrows and demands questions. You must agree with me on that!? The fact that someone said that to begin with, well that's a differnet story. Like I said in my past post, I'm actively adding salt to all posts and replies, however I wasn't expecting that!! In the end, what I'm really looking for is the formula to achieve employment with Falcon. Tried calling, but everyone is always in a meeting or out of the office. Tried to get some info, I get "can I take your number...bla bla bla and he'll call you back", but no one calls back. So what's the trick? I'm not looking for the job to be presented to me on a silver platter, however after all the dollars and cents spent on phone calls, it sure would be nice to eventually be able to actually talk to someone with some answers. Well...... if I can't get it from the horse's mouth, then I guess I have to get it from here. .......What to do???
As always, thanks for the time and the reply,
Joe
I must say that I do respect you for your total honesty and pride in the company that you work for. Good on you.
As for "bashing" Falcon, I certainly hope it wasn't me your where refering to as those are not my intentions at all. Rather my intentions are to gain information so a can join the team at Falcon.
As for your message, I hear you 100%, however, when an outsider is looking for info on a future employer, and the response from others is that the CP is a rat, that raises eyebrows and demands questions. You must agree with me on that!? The fact that someone said that to begin with, well that's a differnet story. Like I said in my past post, I'm actively adding salt to all posts and replies, however I wasn't expecting that!! In the end, what I'm really looking for is the formula to achieve employment with Falcon. Tried calling, but everyone is always in a meeting or out of the office. Tried to get some info, I get "can I take your number...bla bla bla and he'll call you back", but no one calls back. So what's the trick? I'm not looking for the job to be presented to me on a silver platter, however after all the dollars and cents spent on phone calls, it sure would be nice to eventually be able to actually talk to someone with some answers. Well...... if I can't get it from the horse's mouth, then I guess I have to get it from here. .......What to do???
As always, thanks for the time and the reply,
Joe
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Is FECA ever going to paint thier planes? Seems like the Maintenance Guru has other things on his mind.
Crews keep questioning the integrity of the company and the condition of the planes that they have to fly (bent fwd door, asymetric shape, torn dirty seats , unhygenic cockpits, etc) but worse off the crews who report the problems are interogated rather then cooperated with...is it just me or is there a serious lack of communication.
Crews keep questioning the integrity of the company and the condition of the planes that they have to fly (bent fwd door, asymetric shape, torn dirty seats , unhygenic cockpits, etc) but worse off the crews who report the problems are interogated rather then cooperated with...is it just me or is there a serious lack of communication.
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How accurate is you information? Particularely those comments on bent doors, torn seat covers and unhygenic cockpits? Anyone else care to comment?
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My NetJets Interview...
Not this time, maybe next??? Thanks for asking. I had to give it a try, no questions asked there, but I'll need some more experience before I get on with NJME. Got the PFO letter just the other day. Always makes for good reading. I love reading the new ways that companies try and let you down easy, but in the end it all reads the same, thanks but no thanks. Well like I said, maybe next time.
