RIA Saudi Airlines?
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SOPS Well, they can fill all the seats with ex-EK drivers, all B777 guys made redundant in the first 2 rounds out of 4,, total 700+ guys never returned for duty not a single recalled! problem solved.
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SOPS Well, they can fill all the seats with ex-EK drivers, all B777 guys made redundant in the first 2 rounds out of 4,, total 700+ guys never returned for duty not a single recalled! problem solved.
If they hope to attract EK pilots they will need to offer 30k US minimum plus benefits plus commuting. They will get away with less if they want to target Ethiopian or Kenyan (nearby 787 operators) and they may get a few desperados from QR and CX. They will get very few 777/787 pilots from the west for any amount of money.
Most likely they will reluctantly offer a Riyadh base with a commutable roster ie 10-14 block days off each rotation. And yes they will want to establish an expat community and vibe and have money spent in Saudi in an attempt to emulate Dubai’s successful strategy.
Re 10000 applicants blah blah blah typical HR bluster and BS.
Re recent Willy Walsh interview (rise Sir Willy move over Sir Tim) China is running at 50perc of pre covid levels. If they kick off then that’s a huge number of pilots for China and the surrounding regions placing huge pressure on RIA. People always underestimate the size of the Chinese market and the size of their ambitions and they will eventually work through their economic issues.
General pilot shortages are still apparent all over and the airlines as usual are hoping for the next disaster (ie recession) before they admit defeat and return salaries and conditions to where they should be at (the US is already there).
Re the presentation, yes rushed and the presentation date on the email didn’t even match the day of the week. The presentation was half assed and cut short not mentioning pay and conditions as well as other things as per the email. My guess is a bun fight is going on between the lowballers and quality camps within RIA.
Re 700 pilots …rubbish …72 x 787s and 150 x 737s is closer to 4000 pilots.
Re experience requirements advertised on the website they are WAY WAY too low. An established airline could get away with 5000hour captains and 1500hour FOs but a newly establish carrier without a proper training infrastructure, SOPs, route experience, NO WAY. They need high time guys to start off and for that they will need to pay big money.
They may well try to do it on the cheap and if they do it will end up a dogs breakfast and they will never compete with the likes of EK and bumble along like EY did.
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Re redundant guys I doubt there are 700 and even if there were the new DFO is ex EK so he will be fully aware of every ex EK applicants history.
If they hope to attract EK pilots they will need to offer 30k US minimum plus benefits plus commuting. They will get away with less if they want to target Ethiopian or Kenyan (nearby 787 operators) and they may get a few desperados from QR and CX. They will get very few 777/787 pilots from the west for any amount of money.
Most likely they will reluctantly offer a Riyadh base with a commutable roster ie 10-14 block days off each rotation. And yes they will want to establish an expat community and vibe and have money spent in Saudi in an attempt to emulate Dubai’s successful strategy.
Re 10000 applicants blah blah blah typical HR bluster and BS.
Re recent Willy Walsh interview (rise Sir Willy move over Sir Tim) China is running at 50perc of pre covid levels. If they kick off then that’s a huge number of pilots for China and the surrounding regions placing huge pressure on RIA. People always underestimate the size of the Chinese market and the size of their ambitions and they will eventually work through their economic issues.
General pilot shortages are still apparent all over and the airlines as usual are hoping for the next disaster (ie recession) before they admit defeat and return salaries and conditions to where they should be at (the US is already there).
Re the presentation, yes rushed and the presentation date on the email didn’t even match the day of the week. The presentation was half assed and cut short not mentioning pay and conditions as well as other things as per the email. My guess is a bun fight is going on between the lowballers and quality camps within RIA.
Re 700 pilots …rubbish …72 x 787s and 150 x 737s is closer to 4000 pilots.
Re experience requirements advertised on the website they are WAY WAY too low. An established airline could get away with 5000hour captains and 1500hour FOs but a newly establish carrier without a proper training infrastructure, SOPs, route experience, NO WAY. They need high time guys to start off and for that they will need to pay big money.
They may well try to do it on the cheap and if they do it will end up a dogs breakfast and they will never compete with the likes of EK and bumble along like EY did.
If they hope to attract EK pilots they will need to offer 30k US minimum plus benefits plus commuting. They will get away with less if they want to target Ethiopian or Kenyan (nearby 787 operators) and they may get a few desperados from QR and CX. They will get very few 777/787 pilots from the west for any amount of money.
Most likely they will reluctantly offer a Riyadh base with a commutable roster ie 10-14 block days off each rotation. And yes they will want to establish an expat community and vibe and have money spent in Saudi in an attempt to emulate Dubai’s successful strategy.
Re 10000 applicants blah blah blah typical HR bluster and BS.
Re recent Willy Walsh interview (rise Sir Willy move over Sir Tim) China is running at 50perc of pre covid levels. If they kick off then that’s a huge number of pilots for China and the surrounding regions placing huge pressure on RIA. People always underestimate the size of the Chinese market and the size of their ambitions and they will eventually work through their economic issues.
General pilot shortages are still apparent all over and the airlines as usual are hoping for the next disaster (ie recession) before they admit defeat and return salaries and conditions to where they should be at (the US is already there).
Re the presentation, yes rushed and the presentation date on the email didn’t even match the day of the week. The presentation was half assed and cut short not mentioning pay and conditions as well as other things as per the email. My guess is a bun fight is going on between the lowballers and quality camps within RIA.
Re 700 pilots …rubbish …72 x 787s and 150 x 737s is closer to 4000 pilots.
Re experience requirements advertised on the website they are WAY WAY too low. An established airline could get away with 5000hour captains and 1500hour FOs but a newly establish carrier without a proper training infrastructure, SOPs, route experience, NO WAY. They need high time guys to start off and for that they will need to pay big money.
They may well try to do it on the cheap and if they do it will end up a dogs breakfast and they will never compete with the likes of EK and bumble along like EY did.
A critical part of vision 2030 is Saudiisation. We all know that their targets will not be met by then but there will be a revolution inside Saudi Arabia if they're not really trying to achieve it. The Saudi's have high numbers of Pilots going through 4 year aviation degree's and Pilot training in the US. The last I heard was 2019 when they had 6000, that will clearly have grown considerably by now. Saudi Arabia is a very young and well educated country. RIA is for Saudi's over the medium term.
I know that a large percentage of applications for RIA have come from domestic Pilots, any Saudi Pilot living on the East Side of the country wants this job.
I don't believe that there will be commuting or upgrades for expat F/O's. Now I may be wrong but I know this country well from the inside.
I don't think that this will be anything of what you think.
A critical part of vision 2030 is Saudiisation. We all know that their targets will not be met by then but there will be a revolution inside Saudi Arabia if they're not really trying to achieve it. The Saudi's have high numbers of Pilots going through 4 year aviation degree's and Pilot training in the US. The last I heard was 2019 when they had 6000, that will clearly have grown considerably by now. Saudi Arabia is a very young and well educated country. RIA is for Saudi's over the medium term.
I know that a large percentage of applications for RIA have come from domestic Pilots, any Saudi Pilot living on the East Side of the country wants this job.
I don't believe that there will be commuting or upgrades for expat F/O's. Now I may be wrong but I know this country well from the inside.
A critical part of vision 2030 is Saudiisation. We all know that their targets will not be met by then but there will be a revolution inside Saudi Arabia if they're not really trying to achieve it. The Saudi's have high numbers of Pilots going through 4 year aviation degree's and Pilot training in the US. The last I heard was 2019 when they had 6000, that will clearly have grown considerably by now. Saudi Arabia is a very young and well educated country. RIA is for Saudi's over the medium term.
I know that a large percentage of applications for RIA have come from domestic Pilots, any Saudi Pilot living on the East Side of the country wants this job.
I don't believe that there will be commuting or upgrades for expat F/O's. Now I may be wrong but I know this country well from the inside.
Only half a speed-brake
Re recent Willy Walsh interview (rise Sir Willy move over Sir Tim) China is running at 50perc of pre covid levels. If they kick off then that’s a huge number of pilots for China and the surrounding regions placing huge pressure on RIA.
China is on 50% international flights of 2019. Yet then, only of half of those those are PRC carriers due reciprocity representing around 700 daily flights missing and to be crewed. For a demand that is not here yet as so many ties disintegrated, by pilots who existed before COVID.
Since domestic traffic peaked at 14000 daily fligths recently, any voids to be filled are hardly of global workforce significance. Also easily filled by experienced RU jocks who can't really go anywhere else apart from... oh wait.
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In case you missed it RIAs requirements have changed for the better. More realistic hours ie 6000 total 2000 command, 777 now included, and most importantly "Various rostering options are being considered".
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Riyadh Air Selection.
Good afternoon all,
I did get a request this morning from Riyadh Air to fill out another more detailed questionnaire regarding Licensing, Experience and Employment history. I was also congratulated for having passed the first stage of their rigorous selection process.
I guess the screening has now picked up speed, any one else heard anything?
I did get a request this morning from Riyadh Air to fill out another more detailed questionnaire regarding Licensing, Experience and Employment history. I was also congratulated for having passed the first stage of their rigorous selection process.
I guess the screening has now picked up speed, any one else heard anything?
Anyone else just receive this:
"Thank you once again for your interest in joining the Riyadh Air family. We are thrilled to inform you, that you have successfully passed the initial stage of our rigorous selection process.
The next stage requires your participation in a questionnaire that focuses on your flying experience. Your thoughtful responses will enable us to gain a deeper understanding of your unique journey as a pilot."
Click the link and it takes me to update my password, no questions anywhere in sight!!
"Thank you once again for your interest in joining the Riyadh Air family. We are thrilled to inform you, that you have successfully passed the initial stage of our rigorous selection process.
The next stage requires your participation in a questionnaire that focuses on your flying experience. Your thoughtful responses will enable us to gain a deeper understanding of your unique journey as a pilot."
Click the link and it takes me to update my password, no questions anywhere in sight!!
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Think you need to go to the menu under your name on the top right after you logged in or something to that effect. It's there on your personal page as an option. Those not having received the email you just mentioned would not have that option. Success!
New problem now, can't submit because the field "Do you hold an additional qualification" has the answers TRI, TRE or STRE and no option for "No" if you do not hold an additional qualification, and it's a mandatory question!
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Mostly general in nature regarding your previous work experience, hours in different roles that you must have carried out, types of aircraft that you've flown.