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Old 25th Oct 2023, 05:55
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Originally Posted by 4LIFE
Thank you for the reply. I appreciate it.
Did u go through this program? Can I ask message you on some other platform, please?
I've been told by CAE representative that so far there's no a deadline for applications. However, there were a lot of questions that I didn't get a direct answer to. Like, what is the timeline, are there set dates for the program start, what is the success rate of applicants, that made it to FlyDubai after this program (this one is especiallyimportant to know for me, because I'm not into gambling), what are the reasons for rejections, etc.
I would appreciate if someone could share their experience here or in DMs.
Thanks!
Yes inbox me.

For the benfit of othrs the Success rate is very high, as long as you don't screw up the type rating then you are guaranteed a job assuming you pass the medical test and meet visa requirements.

This is why I recommend do a through medical test, check your visa eligibility, background checks and be confident that you can give 100% of your time and energy in passing the type rating before investing a huge sum of money. They are not looking for astronauts just a decent proficient pilot with good attitude.
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Originally Posted by cruisepower
Yes inbox me.

For the benfit of othrs the Success rate is very high, as long as you don't screw up the type rating then you are guaranteed a job assuming you pass the medical test and meet visa requirements.

This is why I recommend do a through medical test, check your visa eligibility, background checks and be confident that you can give 100% of your time and energy in passing the type rating before investing a huge sum of money. They are not looking for astronauts just a decent proficient pilot with good attitude.
Alright, thanks! I will drop you a message.
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Does anyone know the entry requirements for the age maximum 35 years what it means?

I will turn 35 in February and Im looking to apply next year

Kind Regards,
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Hi there,

Does anyone know what it means by 35 years age to apply?

This means you can apply after your 35th birthday?
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Originally Posted by Knamvar89
Does anyone know the entry requirements for the age maximum 35 years what it means?

I will turn 35 in February and Im looking to apply next year

Kind Regards,
Cameron
I got an email from them, which says "The maximum age to apply will be 34 years and 11 months." So, I believe your best bet would be to apply before February.
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How to apply for the program?

Hi,
Could anyone please assist me on whom to contact to apply for the program?
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assessment fd

Originally Posted by souabnim
Hello Everyone!

I did the second officer program assessment in 2021 and passed. I decided to delay the start of the Type rating as Fly Dubai recently increased the Max age limit from 29 to 35 years old.

Here are the details:







Currently when you open the Flydubai Pilot, second officer page and click on apply now, it will direct you to CAE's website but no clear indication of how to get started. I recommend you email the following person:

To: Nigina Surkova

nigina.surkova @ cae.com

AND

CC: Deborah Alberetulage

deborah.alberetulage @ cae.com


and in the email subject type: Fly Dubai Second Officer Program.

In the email, mention your name and that you would like to apply for the program and request the requirements so you can submit your application.

____________________________________________________________ __________________________

Here is how this program works:

1)This program requires that you have:

CPL ME/IR from any ICAO state with 220 total hours(recently updated, previously was 250 hours).
1st Class Medical
MCC Course ( JOC not required because it's part of the type rating)(recently removed from the page, maybe a typo, but definitely still required)
ATPL theory( this can also be done after the type rating for those without this requirement)- Those with EASA.UK CAA or other ATPL credit will still be required to redo it with Fujairah Aviation Academy9 2-3 Months and $5000)

So you will require the MCC to apply! Preferably on a 737 for your own benefit in the assessment but not required.

2) After submitting your application, you will be invited for the assessment. The assessment is done in Dubai, and is a 2 day assessment. They will charge you $1000 for the assessment costs after you confirm the dates you can attend.

Day 1: Assessment consists of a simulator assessment on the B737NG Full motion Level D simulator ( See comments below for sim assessment description) - In CAE simulator facility, Dubai Silicon Oasis.
Day 2: Compass test and Psychometric test(all done on a computer) in Emirates Airlines headquarters. CAE is owned by Emirates and they conduct the assessment, so do not go for the Fly Dubai assessment package. As per the following website, which is used for the preparation of this day ( latest pilot job- Emirates assessment, sorry had to remove the URL to post, new member )



Results of the assessment are revealed within a week or 2 weeks.


3) When the assessment is successful, you can schedule your 737 Type Rating with CAE. They want you to begin the Type rating within 1 year.

Type rating is about 2 months long(56 days) and costs $33,000. 50% has to be paid for seat confirmation when you agree on a date and the other 50% 10 working days before beginning the type rating.

At the end of the type rating, during the exam, two examiners will be present. One examiner representing CAE for the Type Rating endorsement, and a second examiner representing Fly Dubai for the second officer assessment.

At the end of the simulator session, they will inform you if both are a pass!



4) This step I don't know a lot about, but this is what I know so far: After successfully passing the Type rating, Fly Dubai will invite you for another formal interview, and at this point they might have a few additional requirements before you start with them as a co-pilot(second officer).

For example: They might require you to do Base training on a 737 depending on license requirements for type rating endorsement. For example EASA license holders will have to complete this in Europe on their expense.


5) When you begin with FlyDubai, you will have to complete 30 sectors before you are released in the line. During this time the salary might only be 12,000dhs a month total, but this phase should not take long. you can complete 4 sectors in 1 day flying in the Gulf region.

When fully released, the salary becomes 20,000dhs a month TOTAL, until you complete 1500 hours on the 737, thats when your ATPL will be unfozen and pay will increase to 40,000 dhs a month(including housing and flying pay). It takes 2 to 2.5 years to complete these hours.

Sim description:

2-day CAE Assessment
Day 1: CAE Dubai Silicon Oasis Branch (Simulator Assessment B737NG Level D):

 Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then youíll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, thatís okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!



Cost Planning : $1k for the assessment + $33k for the Type rating (Does not include housing, food) + $5k for GCAA ATPL theory + Base training(6 Touch and Gos) if your license requires it for license validation into a UAE GCAA license.

Note: The notes above were sent as an email to a friend that inquired on the program, hope it's useful for everyone, and excuse any mistakes.
hello
it's possible to give me more information about day 1 and day2
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Old 12th Dec 2023, 23:48
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Originally Posted by ssongyj
Hello, Souabnim.
Thanks a lot for your info. It was what I was looking exactly.
I have some more question about the assessments.
Could you tell me either your email or whats app please?
Hello
I have some questions about the assessment plz need more details thank you
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Old 13th Dec 2023, 21:10
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Originally Posted by olima737
hello
it's possible to give me more information about day 1 and day2
Anybody here for January? Assessment?

Last edited by olima737; 21st Dec 2023 at 00:12.
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Old 28th Dec 2023, 12:08
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Has anyone written to them and heard back? I wrote in but haven't heard back yet. The link to their application page leads to the CAE website and there's no application form. Can anyone share how to apply for the program?
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Old 12th Jan 2024, 13:44
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Originally Posted by souabnim
Hello Everyone!

I did the second officer program assessment in 2021 and passed. I decided to delay the start of the Type rating as Fly Dubai recently increased the Max age limit from 29 to 35 years old.

Here are the details:

Currently when you open the Flydubai Pilot, second officer page and click on apply now, it will direct you to CAE's website but no clear indication of how to get started. I recommend you email the following person:

To: Nigina Surkova

nigina.surkova @ cae.com

AND

CC: Deborah Alberetulage

deborah.alberetulage @ cae.com


and in the email subject type: Fly Dubai Second Officer Program.

In the email, mention your name and that you would like to apply for the program and request the requirements so you can submit your application.

____________________________________________________________ __________________________

Here is how this program works:

1)This program requires that you have:

CPL ME/IR from any ICAO state with 220 total hours(recently updated, previously was 250 hours).
1st Class Medical
MCC Course ( JOC not required because it's part of the type rating)(recently removed from the page, maybe a typo, but definitely still required)
ATPL theory( this can also be done after the type rating for those without this requirement)- Those with EASA.UK CAA or other ATPL credit will still be required to redo it with Fujairah Aviation Academy9 2-3 Months and $5000)

So you will require the MCC to apply! Preferably on a 737 for your own benefit in the assessment but not required.

2) After submitting your application, you will be invited for the assessment. The assessment is done in Dubai, and is a 2 day assessment. They will charge you $1000 for the assessment costs after you confirm the dates you can attend.

Day 1: Assessment consists of a simulator assessment on the B737NG Full motion Level D simulator ( See comments below for sim assessment description) - In CAE simulator facility, Dubai Silicon Oasis.
Day 2: Compass test and Psychometric test(all done on a computer) in Emirates Airlines headquarters. CAE is owned by Emirates and they conduct the assessment, so do not go for the Fly Dubai assessment package. As per the following website, which is used for the preparation of this day ( latest pilot job- Emirates assessment, sorry had to remove the URL to post, new member )

Results of the assessment are revealed within a week or 2 weeks.

3) When the assessment is successful, you can schedule your 737 Type Rating with CAE. They want you to begin the Type rating within 1 year.

Type rating is about 2 months long(56 days) and costs $33,000. 50% has to be paid for seat confirmation when you agree on a date and the other 50% 10 working days before beginning the type rating.

At the end of the type rating, during the exam, two examiners will be present. One examiner representing CAE for the Type Rating endorsement, and a second examiner representing Fly Dubai for the second officer assessment.

At the end of the simulator session, they will inform you if both are a pass!

4) This step I don't know a lot about, but this is what I know so far: After successfully passing the Type rating, Fly Dubai will invite you for another formal interview, and at this point they might have a few additional requirements before you start with them as a co-pilot(second officer).

For example: They might require you to do Base training on a 737 depending on license requirements for type rating endorsement. For example EASA license holders will have to complete this in Europe on their expense.

5) When you begin with FlyDubai, you will have to complete 30 sectors before you are released in the line. During this time the salary might only be 12,000dhs a month total, but this phase should not take long. you can complete 4 sectors in 1 day flying in the Gulf region.

When fully released, the salary becomes 20,000dhs a month TOTAL, until you complete 1500 hours on the 737, thats when your ATPL will be unfozen and pay will increase to 40,000 dhs a month(including housing and flying pay). It takes 2 to 2.5 years to complete these hours.

Sim description:

2-day CAE Assessment
Day 1: CAE Dubai Silicon Oasis Branch (Simulator Assessment B737NG Level D):

 Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then youíll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, thatís okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!

Cost Planning : $1k for the assessment + $33k for the Type rating (Does not include housing, food) + $5k for GCAA ATPL theory + Base training(6 Touch and Gos) if your license requires it for license validation into a UAE GCAA license.

Note: The notes above were sent as an email to a friend that inquired on the program, hope it's useful for everyone, and excuse any mistakes.
do we need to be 737 type rated already before applying? Because you said aptitude test would be on 737 level D sim.
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Originally Posted by olima737
Hello
I have some questions about the assessment plz need more details thank you
Originally Posted by Pilot_Material
do we need to be 737 type rated already before applying? Because you said aptitude test would be on 737 level D sim.
NOT QUALIFIED
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Originally Posted by olima737
NOT QUALIFIED
sorry still confused, I am doing my atpl papers currently and planning to apply for the program but I donít have an 737 type rating.
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Good Day,
I wanted to know if anyone of you have a specific subscribions that was used to prep fopr assesment. As my understanding is that its for flydubai done bt CAE Emirates and there are bunch of confusing prep courses online that i cant seem todecide from. This will be great help if anyone who has done the assesment can help a bit.

Thankyou in advance
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Hi,
You will be doing a level D sim but they do not expect you to know everything. The sim will be judged on your comms and multi crew efficiency more than the systems /knowlege. You will be paired with a type rated first officer or caption who would be doing their assessment . YOU DO NOT REQUIRE A 737 TYPE Rating as it is a type rating course
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Originally Posted by Pilot_Material
sorry still confused, I am doing my atpl papers currently and planning to apply for the program but I donít have an 737 type rating.
You don't need a 737 rating, infact this program is to get a 737 plus a guaranteed interview with flydubai.

The sim session will be on the 737 but you are not expected to know the aircraft it's just for basic flying and airmanship.
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Hey souabnim


I wanna ask you something regarding after passing the assessment, you mentioned that they want to start the Type Rating within a year.


I did the assessment in January 2023 and I passed, and I still didn't start the type yet because of the ATPL and also trying to collect some money as well. I might start in April or May this year. So I was wondering will it be a problem of not getting a chance for an interview because I didn't start the type with 1 year as mentioned? Or how is it exactly?


If any one else knows, please let me know I will appreciated for your help

hope to hear from you soon!
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Hello could you tell about the test how was it because I have the same this week
And I will ask for you about this thank you.
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olima737

Sure, Its a 2-days assessement. It was pretty chill as long you are prepared well you will be fine.

Regarding Compass and Psychometric test, not hard at all just prepare for it from Latest PilotJobs website, Purchase the Emirates assessment package Do all the tests there couple times and you will be ready.

Regarding the Simulator check: same as this, you don't need to be an expert in B737, if you did MCC, just do like what you did there like Callouts and monitoring, etc.. so prepare well and be ready

Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then youíll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, thatís okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!
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