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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:46
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[QUOTE=WrldWide;11273552]
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Furthermore, rumour has it that the requirements to join EK will drop to unfrozen ATPL. Opening the door for many new pilots to apply.]

That sounds like a sign of lowering standards to fill seats. That doesn't happen in non-crisis situations.
If that is true,only if, EK managers should be ashamed, having set free 1000 pilots who where more than qualified, replacing them now with almost zero experience guys - what a disgust if true.

It says a lot of EK when lowering the requirements rather than recognizing and making up their mistake, not to take back everyone with the required respect.

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Old 5th Aug 2022, 19:33
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If that is true,only if, EK managers should be ashamed, having set free 1000 pilots who where more than qualified, replacing them now with almost zero experience guys - what a disgust if true.

It says a lot of EK when lowering the requirements rather than recognizing and making up their mistake, not to take back everyone with the required respect.
lots of lives shattered, do they care? ole Mandy doesn’t look too bothered selling the dream
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 19:52
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Originally Posted by Fairey Seal View Post
So you didn't fly more than 900 hours. Sounds like you are looking for something to complain about. If you don't like it you can leave, right?
Try Ryanair, I'm sure you will have a better quality of life, far less hours and get paid just as well, after tax. Obviously.
It seems very hard for people to understand. Again you need to have some intelligence. Thank you for your advice although it seems bad advice. I will wait until one of my two buckets is full. Good luck keeping your head in the sand.
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 22:06
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It seems very hard for people to understand. Again you need to have some intelligence. Thank you for your advice although it seems bad advice. I will wait until one of my two buckets is full. Good luck keeping your head in the sand. ​​​​
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 22:07
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lots of lives shattered, do they care? ole Mandy doesn’t look too bothered selling the dream
it’s exactly what you say
loosing face is not an option
rather stick to bs and do everything to cover it, than loosing face and admit a mistake
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 22:51
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Originally Posted by Fairey Seal View Post
So you didn't fly more than 900 hours. Sounds like you are looking for something to complain about.
FYI. 4 pilot ULR, you have operating crew and augmenting crew, rotating for home sector. Operating crew remain in seat roughly first half of sector. Augmenting crew vacate to bunks before belts in climb. That time in bunk (7-8 hours) does not count towards 900h, and neither does time on jump seat - only the stick time as cruise relief crew counts. However operating crew will count their entire sector block time, including bunk time.

If you flew 3 ULRs a month, this could be 270 hours in addition to your 900 hours. Maybe the rules have changed in last few years? I never came close to any FTL limits in my entire time, and flew 740h in my last year there (f/o).

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Old 6th Aug 2022, 00:06
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WHY ARE EMIRATES CABIN CREW SO BAD AT GIVING US A COFFEE AND A SQUARE MEAL

I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY they aren’t teaching them this in training.

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Old 6th Aug 2022, 00:23
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Because it's not true. If it were the case that EK were operating like this, they would be pulled up by regulators.
Thanks for the laugh - the regulators in the EU don't even manage to stop or investigate the illegal practices and rule bending that has been going on for decades at various lowcost airlines that are directly under their "oversight", companies that have their offices a few blocks down the road, let alone expecting them to start messing with some rich kids from the gulf who own half of our prime real estate and are shareholders / clients in some of the largest european corporations. Nobody wants to **** them off for the sake of a few fatigued pilots. Do you mean the same regulators that have been overloaded with printing your licence copies for 7 weeks - they are going to save it?

"Apologies, According to the fake twisted records that were provided to us everything is 100% fine and generally we are not getting involved in industrial matters and if its a pressing safety matter chances are we are not responsible and we will forward the report to xyz, thanks bye " They are no better here than the local authorities in the gulf, probably in some ways worse, since people live under the false impression that our guys are "independent entities" who work in the public interest. Maybe sometimes they are, like when there are really no major financial interests at play.

The market dictates the conditions - the Middle East is just mirroring what happens in the EU and Asia with a bit of desert premium. The fight will be fought at home and probably on a very individual level - if it will be fought at all, while many are finding their luck in other industries before things can really improve to at least some degree of normalcy.

Good luck !
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 00:33
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Thanks for the laugh - the regulators in the EU don't even manage to stop or investigate the illegal practices and rule bending that has been going on for decades at various lowcost airlines that are directly under their "oversight", companies that have their offices a few blocks down the road, let alone expecting them to start messing with some rich kids from the gulf who own half of our prime real estate and are shareholders / clients in some of the largest european corporations. Nobody wants to **** them off for the sake of a few fatigued pilots. Do you mean the same regulators that have been overloaded with printing your licence copies for 7 weeks - they are going to save it?

"Apologies, According to the fake twisted records that were provided to us everything is 100% fine and generally we are not getting involved in industrial matters and if its a pressing safety matter chances are we are not responsible and we will forward the report to xyz, thanks bye " They are no better here than the local authorities in the gulf, probably in some ways worse, since people live under the false impression that our guys are "independent entities" who work in the public interest. Maybe sometimes they are, like when there are really no major financial interests at play.

The market dictates the conditions - the Middle East is just mirroring what happens in the EU and Asia with a bit of desert premium. The fight will be fought at home and probably on a very individual level - if it will be fought at all, while many are finding their luck in other industries before things can really improve to at least some degree of normalcy.

Good luck !
But give them some credit , emirates did a good job in the pandemic keeping good pilots and removing all the bad apples and not just relying on seniority , standards have definitely improved. Sarcasm.


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Old 6th Aug 2022, 03:22
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Worth mentioning it again it seems. Try it. You'll feel like you have discovered a cure for toe fungus or jock itch.


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Old 6th Aug 2022, 06:51
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Originally Posted by level_change View Post
Thanks for the laugh - the regulators in the EU don't even manage to stop or investigate the illegal practices and rule bending that has been going on for decades at various lowcost airlines that are directly under their "oversight", companies that have their offices a few blocks down the road, let alone expecting them to start messing with some rich kids from the gulf who own half of our prime real estate and are shareholders / clients in some of the largest european corporations. Nobody wants to **** them off for the sake of a few fatigued pilots. Do you mean the same regulators that have been overloaded with printing your licence copies for 7 weeks - they are going to save it?

"Apologies, According to the fake twisted records that were provided to us everything is 100% fine and generally we are not getting involved in industrial matters and if its a pressing safety matter chances are we are not responsible and we will forward the report to xyz, thanks bye " They are no better here than the local authorities in the gulf, probably in some ways worse, since people live under the false impression that our guys are "independent entities" who work in the public interest. Maybe sometimes they are, like when there are really no major financial interests at play.

The market dictates the conditions - the Middle East is just mirroring what happens in the EU and Asia with a bit of desert premium. The fight will be fought at home and probably on a very individual level - if it will be fought at all, while many are finding their luck in other industries before things can really improve to at least some degree of normalcy.

Good luck !
Agree, flown well over 1000 hours for every one of the last 6 years other than 2020.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 06:54
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Looks like the new limit will be 1500 hours before you commence employment so I guess you could apply with less. DECs look likely too, as for the first time in a long term many are leaving for more secure and less toxic jobs.
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Originally Posted by level_change View Post
Thanks for the laugh - the regulators in the EU don't even manage to stop or investigate the illegal practices and rule bending that has been going on for decades at various lowcost airlines that are directly under their "oversight", companies that have their offices a few blocks down the road, let alone expecting them to start messing with some rich kids from the gulf who own half of our prime real estate and are shareholders / clients in some of the largest european corporations. Nobody wants to **** them off for the sake of a few fatigued pilots. Do you mean the same regulators that have been overloaded with printing your licence copies for 7 weeks - they are going to save it?

"Apologies, According to the fake twisted records that were provided to us everything is 100% fine and generally we are not getting involved in industrial matters and if its a pressing safety matter chances are we are not responsible and we will forward the report to xyz, thanks bye " They are no better here than the local authorities in the gulf, probably in some ways worse, since people live under the false impression that our guys are "independent entities" who work in the public interest. Maybe sometimes they are, like when there are really no major financial interests at play.

The market dictates the conditions - the Middle East is just mirroring what happens in the EU and Asia with a bit of desert premium. The fight will be fought at home and probably on a very individual level - if it will be fought at all, while many are finding their luck in other industries before things can really improve to at least some degree of normalcy.

Good luck !
That’s all a bit conspiracy theory to be honest.
I think you need to stop watching Loy Machedo on YouTube.

The problem that new guys will face realistically is how the rosters are managed.

Rostering of a ULR after a block of days off, so you can’t travel home, because you need to be acclimatised. This makes commuting very difficult.
Rostering of your recurrent training the day after your leave. So you spend your whole leave worrying about how your sim.
A bidding tool that, let’s be honest, doesn’t work.
Somehow, you get trapped on a certain destination or direction.
Biding for the last five days of a month and the first five of the next, in your second and top bid month, get it, and have a manually inserted flight dropped in.
Destroying your bid.
Off base notification, every time you leave Dubai you have to tell them where you are and for how long and how to contact you.

These things start to add up and they happen continuously.

And of course the fear culture. Which they tell us doesn’t exist.

Eyes open. You will face trainers that shouldn’t be allowed in training. You will be treated like you never saw an airplane before. There are one or two actual trainers, but unfortunately the vast majority of them will have you walking away from a flight saying wtf was that all about.



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Old 6th Aug 2022, 10:28
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[QUOTE=WrldWide;11273552]
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Furthermore, rumour has it that the requirements to join EK will drop to unfrozen ATPL. Opening the door for many new pilots to apply.]

That sounds like a sign of lowering standards to fill seats. That doesn't happen in non-crisis situations.
Why do you say lowering the standards?Most of the EK pilots are from SA and OZ.
Most have never flown proper regional operations. Most have never flow an aircraft more that 20T. We should be so lucky to attract guys from UK, Europe and North America.
Guys who have experience on Airbus and Boeing aircraft. Not guys who fly around on Kingairs pretending they are airline pilots. This kind of experience counts for nothing compared to guys who have been flying 320 and 737 types.
There are pilots who would be happy to have the opportunity to fly wide body aircraft and get a fast command. EK is an excellent opportunity with unmatched benefits.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 10:44
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https://careers.ba.com/job/heathrow/...48/32997618016

worth looking at for some of the younger aviators
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 11:53
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Originally Posted by City of Gold View Post
That’s all a bit conspiracy theory to be honest.
I think you need to stop watching Loy Machedo on YouTube.

The problem that new guys will face realistically is how the rosters are managed.

Rostering of a ULR after a block of days off, so you can’t travel home, because you need to be acclimatised. This makes commuting very difficult.
Rostering of your recurrent training the day after your leave. So you spend your whole leave worrying about how your sim.
A bidding tool that, let’s be honest, doesn’t work.
Somehow, you get trapped on a certain destination or direction.
Biding for the last five days of a month and the first five of the next, in your second and top bid month, get it, and have a manually inserted flight dropped in.
Destroying your bid.
Off base notification, every time you leave Dubai you have to tell them where you are and for how long and how to contact you.

These things start to add up and they happen continuously.

And of course the fear culture. Which they tell us doesn’t exist.

Eyes open. You will face trainers that shouldn’t be allowed in training. You will be treated like you never saw an airplane before. There are one or two actual trainers, but unfortunately the vast majority of them will have you walking away from a flight saying wtf was that all about.
Excellent post 👍👍👍
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Definitely agree , many trainers who couldn’t be in training in any proper airline . CM’s linked in post about all pilots not being born equal shortly after 1500 pilot redundancies was an Ill time tribute to such arrogance.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 18:03
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Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot View Post
Worth mentioning it again it seems. Try it. You'll feel like you have discovered a cure for toe fungus or jock itch.
I agree with you completely. EK is an excellent opportunity for new pilots and Dubai is a fantastic place to call home. Nimrodjoe is far too negative and only serves to put prospective pilots off joining EK.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 18:35
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not anytime soon

hope not new trainees coming through having huge problems in the sim but it seems we are desperate
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How much difference do 500 hrs more on AP make? Maybe it's about the trainees' attitude.
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