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Let’s not forget that they are mainly calling FOs back in a form of reverse seniority. Therefore, those who were junior and a little cheaper have been called back first, which puts them ahead on the seniority list when it’s time to upgrade. Long time FOs, although on a higher salary, are last in the queue and will be FOs to Captains who joined years after them. There’ll always be a final twist of the screw from this bunch. They learnt from the best.
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Also lets not forget the multitude of contract changes over the last 15 years.
And as for my mates, those that were furloughed were furloughed in seniority order, not medical state or any other strange reason.
No many airlines did let pilots go but the vast vast majority, are in line to rejoin and in front of new hires in seniority order with T&C as when they left. Once again if I am wrong please let me know
Erm....no. F/O's that were on upgrade when the pandemic hit can look towards the end of the year for upgrade. The first external candidates are currently being interviewed with a prospective start date of October. Until then they are aggressively getting the redundant pilots back. Redundant pilots are returning on the same payscale they left on, so not a single cheaper pilot has been hired.(Caveat, I don't really know what is going on with the Boeing fleet - I talk for Airbus only).
Upgrading 777 FO’s now who fill the slots of the pilots they trashed and threw away, whilst hiring new FOs to fill the gaps at the bottom that are left. Tell me if that’s not exactly what’s happening and I will stand corrected.
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So there you go. I'm glad the EK bashing has started again. The management there deserves every bit of it. Continuing to fly to Russia is another example of their mentality. Stay away. Far away
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Fact is the pre covid pay check does not matter, as all pilots who get to rejoin are on pay step zero, no matter where they had been before. In Europe you would call it fire for contract change, which in the same region is forbidden by locals laws. But that’s not the point as all are coming back on basic salary step 0.
not respecting the position in your career path, for e.g. not respecting a passed command upgrade or not respecting top seniority listed FO with a passed interview and a ready to letter in hands for near future upgrades is simple disrespectful and disgusting and shows simply the value.
Also in the rehire process comparing a former 2 year employee with a 20 year long over his medical expenses is just ridiculous, as live has surprises available and unfortunately for the 20 year long they were happening in DXB on the cost of EK. All that can not be reasonably be valid point to rehire the 2 year long pilot.
A lot of airlines did furlough pilots, but and that’s the large difference, they let rejoin everybody interested in the old position seniority and career schedule. And this is the big big big difference. There is at least somehow respect demonstrated between the hard business needs.
not respecting the position in your career path, for e.g. not respecting a passed command upgrade or not respecting top seniority listed FO with a passed interview and a ready to letter in hands for near future upgrades is simple disrespectful and disgusting and shows simply the value.
Also in the rehire process comparing a former 2 year employee with a 20 year long over his medical expenses is just ridiculous, as live has surprises available and unfortunately for the 20 year long they were happening in DXB on the cost of EK. All that can not be reasonably be valid point to rehire the 2 year long pilot.
A lot of airlines did furlough pilots, but and that’s the large difference, they let rejoin everybody interested in the old position seniority and career schedule. And this is the big big big difference. There is at least somehow respect demonstrated between the hard business needs.
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hairpin Using the term 'wanna bees' sounds condescending... I have heard a lot of stories about a lot of airlines over the world where conditions have gone down over the years. You with your 40 years experience apparently joined when the movie Catch Me If You Can was aired for the first time. Nowadays, the pilots I know, work hard and stepped in to this career knowing that it is not like the movies. But your assumption that all pilots want a glorious lifestyle might be correct, but the glorious lifestyle from nowadays is way different than 40 years ago.
My mentality to this entire thing is that I am here to see if I am able to join a company. Knowing stories from people who have worked, will work or are working there are a valuable contribution to my experience.
Everybody has their reason to want to work in Emirates or leave Emirates, the same way that everybody has their reasons to leave or stay at their current job. Because without knowing anyone's background, assumptions are made that they (the ones requesting information) are taking a jump off a cliff from their current employer. Emirates might have a background of which not everybody agrees upon, but there are a lot of people who apparently do enjoy it.
I started this thread to request information about the assessment and not about why people left and why we should stay away, those stories have come to light over the last 2 years and before that as well. So, if someone is able to shed some light on the assessment, that would be great.
My mentality to this entire thing is that I am here to see if I am able to join a company. Knowing stories from people who have worked, will work or are working there are a valuable contribution to my experience.
Everybody has their reason to want to work in Emirates or leave Emirates, the same way that everybody has their reasons to leave or stay at their current job. Because without knowing anyone's background, assumptions are made that they (the ones requesting information) are taking a jump off a cliff from their current employer. Emirates might have a background of which not everybody agrees upon, but there are a lot of people who apparently do enjoy it.
I started this thread to request information about the assessment and not about why people left and why we should stay away, those stories have come to light over the last 2 years and before that as well. So, if someone is able to shed some light on the assessment, that would be great.
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hairpin Using the term 'wanna bees' sounds condescending... I have heard a lot of stories about a lot of airlines over the world where conditions have gone down over the years. You with your 40 years experience apparently joined when the movie Catch Me If You Can was aired for the first time. Nowadays, the pilots I know, work hard and stepped in to this career knowing that it is not like the movies. But your assumption that all pilots want a glorious lifestyle might be correct, but the glorious lifestyle from nowadays is way different than 40 years ago.
My mentality to this entire thing is that I am here to see if I am able to join a company. Knowing stories from people who have worked, will work or are working there are a valuable contribution to my experience.
Everybody has their reason to want to work in Emirates or leave Emirates, the same way that everybody has their reasons to leave or stay at their current job. Because without knowing anyone's background, assumptions are made that they (the ones requesting information) are taking a jump off a cliff from their current employer. Emirates might have a background of which not everybody agrees upon, but there are a lot of people who apparently do enjoy it.
I started this thread to request information about the assessment and not about why people left and why we should stay away, those stories have come to light over the last 2 years and before that as well. So, if someone is able to shed some light on the assessment, that would be great.
My mentality to this entire thing is that I am here to see if I am able to join a company. Knowing stories from people who have worked, will work or are working there are a valuable contribution to my experience.
Everybody has their reason to want to work in Emirates or leave Emirates, the same way that everybody has their reasons to leave or stay at their current job. Because without knowing anyone's background, assumptions are made that they (the ones requesting information) are taking a jump off a cliff from their current employer. Emirates might have a background of which not everybody agrees upon, but there are a lot of people who apparently do enjoy it.
I started this thread to request information about the assessment and not about why people left and why we should stay away, those stories have come to light over the last 2 years and before that as well. So, if someone is able to shed some light on the assessment, that would be great.
Congratulations on the call.
I applied about a week back.
They had asked me to submit my documents on their online portal, which I did 2 days back.
Waiting for their reply now.
I Have about 4200TT on 737s. 1400 PIC.
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Although I agree with you on everything about EK, lets also not be dillusional about EU or UK airlines and think they treated employees fairly during Covid. One or Two of the biggest UK AIRLINES fired pilots not based on seniority but based on fleet where some pilots who had never flown on type but had begun TR were saved whilst others with hundreds of hours were let go …due to fleet demands. And now yes being recalled but on worse conditions.
other major EU airlines brought in new contracts with cuts and no changes to original contracts once Covid restrictions ended. So in the end they are all the same, don’t forget that! The grass is not greener anywhere anymore. And these things happened in western countries with “strong” unions ( some
unions that really only served themselves in the end ).
I can GUARANTEE you that if there were no unions in europe or the UK, the outcomes would have been 100x worse. No labour laws would have stopped them. So in my opinion, EK only did what everyone else would or have done.
other major EU airlines brought in new contracts with cuts and no changes to original contracts once Covid restrictions ended. So in the end they are all the same, don’t forget that! The grass is not greener anywhere anymore. And these things happened in western countries with “strong” unions ( some
unions that really only served themselves in the end ).
I can GUARANTEE you that if there were no unions in europe or the UK, the outcomes would have been 100x worse. No labour laws would have stopped them. So in my opinion, EK only did what everyone else would or have done.
So that’s OK then, lets forget it and the lives they ruined. It’s only once after all. We promise we won’t do it again.
Also lets not forget the multitude of contract changes over the last 15 years.
And as for my mates, those that were furloughed were furloughed in seniority order, not medical state or any other strange reason.
No many airlines did let pilots go but the vast vast majority, are in line to rejoin and in front of new hires in seniority order with T&C as when they left. Once again if I am wrong please let me know
So exactly how many of the hundreds of 777 pilots have they rehired? How many have they even tried to contact to rehire? How many FOs have they rehired and how many Capts.
Upgrading 777 FO’s now who fill the slots of the pilots they trashed and threw away, whilst hiring new FOs to fill the gaps at the bottom that are left. Tell me if that’s not exactly what’s happening and I will stand corrected.
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Also lets not forget the multitude of contract changes over the last 15 years.
And as for my mates, those that were furloughed were furloughed in seniority order, not medical state or any other strange reason.
No many airlines did let pilots go but the vast vast majority, are in line to rejoin and in front of new hires in seniority order with T&C as when they left. Once again if I am wrong please let me know
So exactly how many of the hundreds of 777 pilots have they rehired? How many have they even tried to contact to rehire? How many FOs have they rehired and how many Capts.
Upgrading 777 FO’s now who fill the slots of the pilots they trashed and threw away, whilst hiring new FOs to fill the gaps at the bottom that are left. Tell me if that’s not exactly what’s happening and I will stand corrected.
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Hello,
I slow down the momentum of the thread to ask a different question.
I am about to attend the assessment day in Dubai on May. EK needs a stamped logbook from the chief pilot or fleet manager from the airline I fly for, but i don't want to raise suspicion about leaving my current job until I am absolutely sure that I passed all the assessment stages.
Does anybody know if EK allows for an exception on such a case?
PS: After phycometric and abstract reasoning tests, you will be invited to attend an online interview (mostly TMAAT questions) and if successful you will get an invitation to attend the next stages to Dubai (SIM/compass etc, medical)
Thanks guys
I slow down the momentum of the thread to ask a different question.
I am about to attend the assessment day in Dubai on May. EK needs a stamped logbook from the chief pilot or fleet manager from the airline I fly for, but i don't want to raise suspicion about leaving my current job until I am absolutely sure that I passed all the assessment stages.
Does anybody know if EK allows for an exception on such a case?
PS: After phycometric and abstract reasoning tests, you will be invited to attend an online interview (mostly TMAAT questions) and if successful you will get an invitation to attend the next stages to Dubai (SIM/compass etc, medical)
Thanks guys
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Hello,
I slow down the momentum of the thread to ask a different question.
I am about to attend the assessment day in Dubai on May. EK needs a stamped logbook from the chief pilot or fleet manager from the airline I fly for, but i don't want to raise suspicion about leaving my current job until I am absolutely sure that I passed all the assessment stages.
Does anybody know if EK allows for an exception on such a case?
PS: After phycometric and abstract reasoning tests, you will be invited to attend an online interview (mostly TMAAT questions) and if successful you will get an invitation to attend the next stages to Dubai (SIM/compass etc, medical)
Thanks guys
I slow down the momentum of the thread to ask a different question.
I am about to attend the assessment day in Dubai on May. EK needs a stamped logbook from the chief pilot or fleet manager from the airline I fly for, but i don't want to raise suspicion about leaving my current job until I am absolutely sure that I passed all the assessment stages.
Does anybody know if EK allows for an exception on such a case?
PS: After phycometric and abstract reasoning tests, you will be invited to attend an online interview (mostly TMAAT questions) and if successful you will get an invitation to attend the next stages to Dubai (SIM/compass etc, medical)
Thanks guys
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No response from EK, applied in September for ntr captain position.
status says- submitted.
Congrats to the guys who are called. Does ek pay for ticket and stay or is it self sponsored?
status says- submitted.
Congrats to the guys who are called. Does ek pay for ticket and stay or is it self sponsored?
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So that’s OK then, lets forget it and the lives they ruined. It’s only once after all. We promise we won’t do it again.
Also lets not forget the multitude of contract changes over the last 15 years.
And as for my mates, those that were furloughed were furloughed in seniority order, not medical state or any other strange reason.
No many airlines did let pilots go but the vast vast majority, are in line to rejoin and in front of new hires in seniority order with T&C as when they left. Once again if I am wrong please let me know
So exactly how many of the hundreds of 777 pilots have they rehired? How many have they even tried to contact to rehire? How many FOs have they rehired and how many Capts.
Upgrading 777 FO’s now who fill the slots of the pilots they trashed and threw away, whilst hiring new FOs to fill the gaps at the bottom that are left. Tell me if that’s not exactly what’s happening and I will stand corrected.
I think I have
Also lets not forget the multitude of contract changes over the last 15 years.
And as for my mates, those that were furloughed were furloughed in seniority order, not medical state or any other strange reason.
No many airlines did let pilots go but the vast vast majority, are in line to rejoin and in front of new hires in seniority order with T&C as when they left. Once again if I am wrong please let me know
So exactly how many of the hundreds of 777 pilots have they rehired? How many have they even tried to contact to rehire? How many FOs have they rehired and how many Capts.
Upgrading 777 FO’s now who fill the slots of the pilots they trashed and threw away, whilst hiring new FOs to fill the gaps at the bottom that are left. Tell me if that’s not exactly what’s happening and I will stand corrected.
I think I have
Callous yes, but I mean really, there has to be a fundamental reason why they havent called you back yet - and I think we're all starting to see the reasons why...
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oh FFS Fired, LET. IT. GO. We get it! You were sacked and haven't been called back. I, and many others have said the same thing to you: THEY DON'T WANT YOU BACK!
Callous yes, but I mean really, there has to be a fundamental reason why they havent called you back yet - and I think we're all starting to see the reasons why...
Callous yes, but I mean really, there has to be a fundamental reason why they havent called you back yet - and I think we're all starting to see the reasons why...
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oh FFS Fired, LET. IT. GO. We get it! You were sacked and haven't been called back. I, and many others have said the same thing to you: THEY DON'T WANT YOU BACK!
Callous yes, but I mean really, there has to be a fundamental reason why they havent called you back yet - and I think we're all starting to see the reasons why...
Callous yes, but I mean really, there has to be a fundamental reason why they havent called you back yet - and I think we're all starting to see the reasons why...
there is far other concept behind recalls - I guess it’s simple a very un logical stupid reason how they sequenced the people they call - it’s not about who they like or not (some of them they don’t - that’s for sure but not the majority) it’s only one stupid argument of the highly capable managers resulting in that chaos - if we find out one day we would laugh your head off wouldn’t it so sad.
(a little hint: get hold of a seniority list pre and post Covid and compare it - you will be shocked what’s going on)
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Request.
Congratulations on making it this far. Wish you all the best.
When did you apply for the position on their website? I have submitted my documents on their portal and the status shows "Application received." Just wondering how long is the wait so that I stop checking my emails too often.
When did you apply for the position on their website? I have submitted my documents on their portal and the status shows "Application received." Just wondering how long is the wait so that I stop checking my emails too often.
Hello,
I slow down the momentum of the thread to ask a different question.
I am about to attend the assessment day in Dubai on May. EK needs a stamped logbook from the chief pilot or fleet manager from the airline I fly for, but i don't want to raise suspicion about leaving my current job until I am absolutely sure that I passed all the assessment stages.
Does anybody know if EK allows for an exception on such a case?
PS: After phycometric and abstract reasoning tests, you will be invited to attend an online interview (mostly TMAAT questions) and if successful you will get an invitation to attend the next stages to Dubai (SIM/compass etc, medical)
Thanks guys
I slow down the momentum of the thread to ask a different question.
I am about to attend the assessment day in Dubai on May. EK needs a stamped logbook from the chief pilot or fleet manager from the airline I fly for, but i don't want to raise suspicion about leaving my current job until I am absolutely sure that I passed all the assessment stages.
Does anybody know if EK allows for an exception on such a case?
PS: After phycometric and abstract reasoning tests, you will be invited to attend an online interview (mostly TMAAT questions) and if successful you will get an invitation to attend the next stages to Dubai (SIM/compass etc, medical)
Thanks guys