Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬
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I enjoy a good Qatar or EK bash as much as the next retiree but speaking of Qatar in Brisbane, it IS all the pilot's fault.
Perhaps things have changed but I remember it being a job for big boys who know how to accept responsibility.
Perhaps things have changed but I remember it being a job for big boys who know how to accept responsibility.
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they Might be a 5-star airline for customers but it is 1-star for employees. we should really ask all these websites that promote Qatar Airways, look into employee lifestyle and treatment as well. We can't change their mentalities but if it is all over the news we can force them to change. The only way you can change Arab mind is by Media
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they Might be a 5-star airline for customers but it is 1-star for employees. we should really ask all these websites that promote Qatar Airways, look into employee lifestyle and treatment as well. We can't change their mentalities but if it is all over the news we can force them to change. The only way you can change Arab mind is by Media
when the jobs open again.. they will stick... 'RESIGNATIONS LIKE NEVER BEFORE" on the one side.. and on the other side they can stick.. "ATTRITION LIKE NEVER BEFORE" in different colors , maybe on the one side they can use pink color, Lol..... the baker has no idea what is going to happen... hundreds of pilots are waiting desperately to get out.... this is the result of a management who never respected human values, families, fatigue, and so it goes....
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An unhappy person doesn't work for a year, let alone 15 years, in the gulf.
Many of those, who have written negative comments on social media, are not recalled by the company.
Human Resources' e-mail about not being recalled is shared on many sites, including Avherald.
What does the news of an unfortunate incident have to do with the human resources e-mail?
Things like family atmosphere in the company are emotional concepts. We are in a professional business environment.
Qatar is already a company that does not tolerate much error.
In return, Qatar Airways provides many opportunities (42 days of annual leave, high salary, opportunity to fly B777/B787, relatively early captaincy in wide body)
We are talking about a company that gives direct B777 opportunity to a Boeing 737 pilot working in Europe.
Desert is always desert.
I don't find the people, who talk negatively about the company, sincere. Because after 15-20 years of working in the gulf, they were dismissed and not called back due to pandemic.
Many of those, who have written negative comments on social media, are not recalled by the company.
Human Resources' e-mail about not being recalled is shared on many sites, including Avherald.
What does the news of an unfortunate incident have to do with the human resources e-mail?
Things like family atmosphere in the company are emotional concepts. We are in a professional business environment.
Qatar is already a company that does not tolerate much error.
In return, Qatar Airways provides many opportunities (42 days of annual leave, high salary, opportunity to fly B777/B787, relatively early captaincy in wide body)
We are talking about a company that gives direct B777 opportunity to a Boeing 737 pilot working in Europe.
Desert is always desert.
I don't find the people, who talk negatively about the company, sincere. Because after 15-20 years of working in the gulf, they were dismissed and not called back due to pandemic.
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If you've taken out a row of runway lights you have done something wrong, why didn't they go around? I don't personally believe you should lose your job over something like that but if your that far to the side of a runway then the aircraft is not under control and you will have to answer those questions.
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An unhappy person doesn't work for a year, let alone 15 years, in the gulf.
Many of those, who have written negative comments on social media, are not recalled by the company.
Human Resources' e-mail about not being recalled is shared on many sites, including Avherald.
What does the news of an unfortunate incident have to do with the human resources e-mail?
Things like family atmosphere in the company are emotional concepts. We are in a professional business environment.
Qatar is already a company that does not tolerate much error.
In return, Qatar Airways provides many opportunities (42 days of annual leave, high salary, opportunity to fly B777/B787, relatively early captaincy in wide body)
We are talking about a company that gives direct B777 opportunity to a Boeing 737 pilot working in Europe.
Desert is always desert.
I don't find the people, who talk negatively about the company, sincere. Because after 15-20 years of working in the gulf, they were dismissed and not called back due to pandemic.
Many of those, who have written negative comments on social media, are not recalled by the company.
Human Resources' e-mail about not being recalled is shared on many sites, including Avherald.
What does the news of an unfortunate incident have to do with the human resources e-mail?
Things like family atmosphere in the company are emotional concepts. We are in a professional business environment.
Qatar is already a company that does not tolerate much error.
In return, Qatar Airways provides many opportunities (42 days of annual leave, high salary, opportunity to fly B777/B787, relatively early captaincy in wide body)
We are talking about a company that gives direct B777 opportunity to a Boeing 737 pilot working in Europe.
Desert is always desert.
I don't find the people, who talk negatively about the company, sincere. Because after 15-20 years of working in the gulf, they were dismissed and not called back due to pandemic.
THE 42 DAYS LEAVE A YEAR IS A BIG SCAM !!!!!!!!!! they average 8 days off a month while an American air carrier gives an average of 14 days off.
At QR when you bid for let's say 7 days leave every 2 months ... Total 42 a year.
during the 7 days of your assigned leave for the month they WILL REMOVE SOME OF YOUR NORMAL DAYS OFF OUT OF THE AVERAGE OF 8
so you consume 7 days from your leave...... you come back to Doha to fly.... and then for the remaining of the month you HAVE 4 DAYS OFF.... IT IS A SCAM
SO THE 7 DAYS THAT YOU HAVE CONSUMED FROM YOUR ANNUAL REMAINING LEAVE ARE FOR REAL ONLY 3 DAYS LEAVE !!!! BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME BACK TO FLY INSTEAD OF AN AVERAGE OF 8 DAYS OFF YOU NOW HAVE ONLY 4 .....!!!! SO THE MONTHLY ROSTER WITH 8 DAYS OFF NOW IT IS CONVERTED TO A TOTAL OF 11 DAYS OFF BUT 7 OF THEM ARE DEDUCTED FROM YOUR ANNUAL LEAVE BALANCE !!!!! A BIG QR SCAM...... but probably our fellow pilot above is not even a pilot to know this well or he just wants to advertise them because he is a part of them...
PLEASE DO NOT FOOL PEOPLE..... IF YOU ARE PART OF THE MANAGEMENT TEAM STOP FOOLING PEOPLE..... !!!!!!!!
people with excellent files were not called ... while others with warning letters were called... there is no fair environment in the office... it's all a scam...
people who din't even have a social media account and excellent files were not called back
People will realize ... what is going on... let's wait next year when the pilot jobs will open... resignations will skyrocket !!!... the bread maker will not even believe it !
STOP FOOLING PEOPLE.. DO NOT POST LIES if you are a part of them just show some respect to our community !
and who cares to fly a 777/787 after a 737 ? when you get fired for no serious reason you cannot find a job because you have no recency on the 737..
and what are you trying to say ? people who served the airline with dedication for 15 years were not called back due to the pandemic while others who were here for one year were called...? WOW !!!!!!!! what a disgrace to dedicated long term employees !!!.. What a shame ! what a zero respect for the senior people ! THIS IS HOW A PROPER ORGANIZATION WORKS... with zero respect ! are you even a pilot ? and many of the low seniority guys who were called back are already planning to leave with the first opportunity while the senior ones would stay
QR is not an airline.. it is just a place of disgrace for aviation... and for employees...
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totally agree with you.
THE 42 DAYS LEAVE A YEAR IS A BIG SCAM !!!!!!!!!! they average 8 days off a month while an American air carrier gives an average of 14 days off.
At QR when you bid for let's say 7 days leave every 2 months ... Total 42 a year.
during the 7 days of your assigned leave for the month they WILL REMOVE SOME OF YOUR NORMAL DAYS OFF OUT OF THE AVERAGE OF 8
so you consume 7 days from your leave...... you come back to Doha to fly.... and then for the remaining of the month you HAVE 4 DAYS OFF.... IT IS A SCAM
SO THE 7 DAYS THAT YOU HAVE CONSUMED FROM YOUR ANNUAL REMAINING LEAVE ARE FOR REAL ONLY 3 DAYS LEAVE !!!! BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME BACK TO FLY INSTEAD OF AN AVERAGE OF 8 DAYS OFF YOU NOW HAVE ONLY 4 .....!!!! SO THE MONTHLY ROSTER WITH 8 DAYS OFF NOW IT IS CONVERTED TO A TOTAL OF 11 DAYS OFF BUT 7 OF THEM ARE DEDUCTED FROM YOUR ANNUAL LEAVE BALANCE !!!!! A BIG QR SCAM...... but probably our fellow pilot above is not even a pilot to know this well or he just wants to advertise them because he is a part of them...
PLEASE DO NOT FOOL PEOPLE..... IF YOU ARE PART OF THE MANAGEMENT TEAM STOP FOOLING PEOPLE..... !!!!!!!!
people with excellent files were not called ... while others with warning letters were called... there is no fair environment in the office... it's all a scam...
people who din't even have a social media account and excellent files were not called back
People will realize ... what is going on... let's wait next year when the pilot jobs will open... resignations will skyrocket !!!... the bread maker will not even believe it !
STOP FOOLING PEOPLE.. DO NOT POST LIES if you are a part of them just show some respect to our community !
and who cares to fly a 777/787 after a 737 ? when you get fired for no serious reason you cannot find a job because you have no recency on the 737..
and what are you trying to say ? people who served the airline with dedication for 15 years were not called back due to the pandemic while others who were here for one year were called...? WOW !!!!!!!! what a disgrace to dedicated long term employees !!!.. What a shame ! what a zero respect for the senior people ! THIS IS HOW A PROPER ORGANIZATION WORKS... with zero respect ! are you even a pilot ? and many of the low seniority guys who were called back are already planning to leave with the first opportunity while the senior ones would stay
QR is not an airline.. it is just a place of disgrace for aviation... and for employees...
At QR when you bid for let's say 7 days leave every 2 months ... Total 42 a year.
during the 7 days of your assigned leave for the month they WILL REMOVE SOME OF YOUR NORMAL DAYS OFF OUT OF THE AVERAGE OF 8
so you consume 7 days from your leave...... you come back to Doha to fly.... and then for the remaining of the month you HAVE 4 DAYS OFF.... IT IS A SCAM
SO THE 7 DAYS THAT YOU HAVE CONSUMED FROM YOUR ANNUAL REMAINING LEAVE ARE FOR REAL ONLY 3 DAYS LEAVE !!!! BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME BACK TO FLY INSTEAD OF AN AVERAGE OF 8 DAYS OFF YOU NOW HAVE ONLY 4 .....!!!! SO THE MONTHLY ROSTER WITH 8 DAYS OFF NOW IT IS CONVERTED TO A TOTAL OF 11 DAYS OFF BUT 7 OF THEM ARE DEDUCTED FROM YOUR ANNUAL LEAVE BALANCE !!!!! A BIG QR SCAM...... but probably our fellow pilot above is not even a pilot to know this well or he just wants to advertise them because he is a part of them...
PLEASE DO NOT FOOL PEOPLE..... IF YOU ARE PART OF THE MANAGEMENT TEAM STOP FOOLING PEOPLE..... !!!!!!!!
people with excellent files were not called ... while others with warning letters were called... there is no fair environment in the office... it's all a scam...
people who din't even have a social media account and excellent files were not called back
People will realize ... what is going on... let's wait next year when the pilot jobs will open... resignations will skyrocket !!!... the bread maker will not even believe it !
STOP FOOLING PEOPLE.. DO NOT POST LIES if you are a part of them just show some respect to our community !
and who cares to fly a 777/787 after a 737 ? when you get fired for no serious reason you cannot find a job because you have no recency on the 737..
and what are you trying to say ? people who served the airline with dedication for 15 years were not called back due to the pandemic while others who were here for one year were called...? WOW !!!!!!!! what a disgrace to dedicated long term employees !!!.. What a shame ! what a zero respect for the senior people ! THIS IS HOW A PROPER ORGANIZATION WORKS... with zero respect ! are you even a pilot ? and many of the low seniority guys who were called back are already planning to leave with the first opportunity while the senior ones would stay
QR is not an airline.. it is just a place of disgrace for aviation... and for employees...
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Each airline has its pros and cons.
Qatar Airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year.
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
Qatar Airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year.
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
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Each airline has its pros and cons.
Qatar Airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year.
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
Qatar Airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year.
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
I have a suspicion that you haven’t worked for the airline and as such criticism of pilots points of view who have seems a little uninformed, and if so how would you know if it deserves such response or not.
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Bjornolf, Qatar needed a pilot before covid so they treat them well. Just look at how they treat FA, They can't even go out after 10:30 pm, Maybe they should put some restrictions on pilots too and I'm sure you will still like to be there. Who wants to work for an airline that does not treat its employees? Maybe you are from a low-cost career or an airline in Iraq, Iran, Asia so obviously, Qatar is heaven for you. It all depends on the pilot's culture. you are probably a low-class pilot who will fly for free if you can keep your jobs.
Each airline has its pros and cons.
Qatar Airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year.
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
Qatar Airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year.
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
short flights long nights
Each airline has its pros and cons.
Qatar Airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year.
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
Qatar Airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year.
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
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each airline has its pros and cons.
Qatar airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year. For sure because they buy their reviews.. Everybody knows what is going on with skytrax.. With unlimited money supply everyone can make the airline of the year, even a monkey or even someone who used to ride camels during the 90sss ...
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for qatar airways? 50 % of the pilots complain to each other about the airline when the meet at the qroc before go flying...
The rest of 50% complain in the airplane during flight
2) or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you? I am still here check my old posts,
3) is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) what does the human resources email shared on avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident? You have never worked at qr
5) if, as you claim, annual leave is more in the united states, why didn't you apply to delta or united airlines? Delta and united airlines open new training classes every month. There is no single pilot in the world that has left a major us airline to go to qatar . Only a lunatic would do that or someone who got terminated
6) you claim that b777 or b787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in europe, including wizzair and ryanair, are recruiting b737/a320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
Qatar airways repeatedly has been named airline of the year. For sure because they buy their reviews.. Everybody knows what is going on with skytrax.. With unlimited money supply everyone can make the airline of the year, even a monkey or even someone who used to ride camels during the 90sss ...
It is an airline that does not deserve such negative sentences.
1) did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for qatar airways? 50 % of the pilots complain to each other about the airline when the meet at the qroc before go flying...
The rest of 50% complain in the airplane during flight
2) or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you? I am still here check my old posts,
3) is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
4) what does the human resources email shared on avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident? You have never worked at qr
5) if, as you claim, annual leave is more in the united states, why didn't you apply to delta or united airlines? Delta and united airlines open new training classes every month. There is no single pilot in the world that has left a major us airline to go to qatar . Only a lunatic would do that or someone who got terminated
6) you claim that b777 or b787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in europe, including wizzair and ryanair, are recruiting b737/a320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?
you are not even a pilot. Probably you want to become a pilot in the future.. Probably you are a young kid who lives in qatar and wants to become a pilot one day
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Bjornolf, Qatar needed a pilot before covid so they treat them well. Just look at how they treat FA, They can't even go out after 10:30 pm, Maybe they should put some restrictions on pilots too and I'm sure you will still like to be there. Who wants to work for an airline that does not treat its employees? Maybe you are from a low-cost career or an airline in Iraq, Iran, Asia so obviously, Qatar is heaven for you. It all depends on the pilot's culture. you are probably a low-class pilot who will fly for free if you can keep your jobs.
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Hi Bjorn. I will try to answer you quiz
Q1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
A1)
Better not, did you read what happened to many loyal pilots for simply being members of WhatsApp groups?
Q2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
A2)
I guess they did not feel threatened anymore
Q3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
A3)
See A2. I can also imagine that they feel some bitterness in relation to the way they were treated, first on their way out, the lack of transparency in the "selection" process, for instance and the way things are unfolding during this rejoining process. Let me tell you that the deal was to be recalled before any external hiring or as QR said, to be given priority during a three year period.
Q4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
A4
In case you don't know, fear is not a good flight deck companion. Fear of going around, of loading more fuel, you name it. Most of the emails were lately contributing to that 5* pervasive fear culture
Q5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
A5)
I'll give a go to this one, too. They may not have the right to work in the US
Q6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?[/QUOTE]
A6)
Maybe the lesson here is that there's a limit to what money can buy and it's perhaps better to do some crappy domestic hopping than to be treated like ****e as a reward for your loyalty and the life expectancy that you traded for money
I hope to have contributed to your understanding of life itself
Keep the blue side up and Merry Christmas
Q1) Did you criticize the company about these subjects when you worked for Qatar Airways?
A1)
Better not, did you read what happened to many loyal pilots for simply being members of WhatsApp groups?
Q2) Or did you just start criticizing these subjects when the airline did not recall you?
A2)
I guess they did not feel threatened anymore
Q3) Is it right to ruthlessly criticize and vilify the company for other subjects because you didn't get recalled?
A3)
See A2. I can also imagine that they feel some bitterness in relation to the way they were treated, first on their way out, the lack of transparency in the "selection" process, for instance and the way things are unfolding during this rejoining process. Let me tell you that the deal was to be recalled before any external hiring or as QR said, to be given priority during a three year period.
Q4) What does the human resources email shared on Avherald have to do with an unfortunate incident?
A4
In case you don't know, fear is not a good flight deck companion. Fear of going around, of loading more fuel, you name it. Most of the emails were lately contributing to that 5* pervasive fear culture
Q5) If, as you claim, annual leave is more in the United States, why didn't you apply to Delta or United airlines? Delta and United Airlines open new training classes every month.
A5)
I'll give a go to this one, too. They may not have the right to work in the US
Q6) You claim that B777 or B787 doesn't matter for you. Many airlines in Europe, including Wizzair and Ryanair, are recruiting B737/A320 pilots. Why didn't you apply? Don't you love to fly four legs anymore?[/QUOTE]
A6)
Maybe the lesson here is that there's a limit to what money can buy and it's perhaps better to do some crappy domestic hopping than to be treated like ****e as a reward for your loyalty and the life expectancy that you traded for money
I hope to have contributed to your understanding of life itself
Keep the blue side up and Merry Christmas