EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
So this should be pretty easy to see if it's true or not. All the Boeing's are flying. And we hear they are flat out. Not many 380s flying. So if we only make 15% of the 2019 profit it must be right? Right?
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Loads aren't a matter in the "payroll equation". Just ask for our colleagues flying for the wahabist goat...
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Are we seriously losing it? Or can someone say this was actually true! Or he did this for a day to add into his resume?
simpliflying’s article: Inspiring: From Check-In Agent To President, Meet Emirates’ Sir Tim Clark
I say good for him but he forgot his past didn’t he?
simpliflying’s article: Inspiring: From Check-In Agent To President, Meet Emirates’ Sir Tim Clark
I say good for him but he forgot his past didn’t he?
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Obviously this couldn't continue indefinitely but in the meantime while the industry recovers it would be nice to be getting back towards normal income levels after a year on half pay.
Obviously this couldn't continue indefinitely but in the meantime while the industry recovers it would be nice to be getting back towards normal income levels after a year on half pay.
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EK Hiring
https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/cad...uRIoWt4woHejEI
EK have opened applications. Must be picking up.
EK have opened applications. Must be picking up.
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What fantastic news. First, they destroy the lives of 2000+ pilots, then they have the nerve to open applications to unqualified children. I get it you know, I’ve heard the monicker many times, “it’s their train set” and so on and so on, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s rather disgusting. Bad timing is all I’m saying. Salt in fresh wounds and all that.
Best of luck to them and their wold class cadets. Sarcasm, before some clever clogs with broken English pulls me up on it.
Best of luck to them and their wold class cadets. Sarcasm, before some clever clogs with broken English pulls me up on it.
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Yes boys, don’t panic. Guys working in supermarkets so these local kids can have a job, guys who can’t afford to eat. Flylaw has it worked out. Says there’s nothing to worry about.
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Such a very narrow view - you think the recruits that are hired will be checked to line in 3 weeks after applying? There are a few factors to consider here.
Any company hiring in the UAE must advertise and offer the position to local citizens first who meet the requirements, then if none apply or accept the job (just like every other country in the world) they can open it up to expats.
These new recruits are at least 2 years away from being checked to line and ready to go when the industry is predicted to recover. Do you want to apply and sit on active hold for 2 years? Not to mention the Quarantine requirements on both sides.
Once the local drive is over and they still need guys, they will open up recruitment again to expats - just like every other country in the world
Such a very narrow view - you think the recruits that are hired will be checked to line in 3 weeks after applying? There are a few factors to consider here.
Any company hiring in the UAE must advertise and offer the position to local citizens first who meet the requirements, then if none apply or accept the job (just like every other country in the world) they can open it up to expats.
These new recruits are at least 2 years away from being checked to line and ready to go when the industry is predicted to recover. Do you want to apply and sit on active hold for 2 years? Not to mention the Quarantine requirements on both sides.
Once the local drive is over and they still need guys, they will open up recruitment again to expats - just like every other country in the world
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Sadly!! 2 years is nothing. Whilst the UK, Israel, United States and Europe (gradually) are all showing good progress on vaccinations and getting the disease under control. Starting with Japan at less than 1% vaccinated, then India, Asia in General, Africa and South America are all a very long way from any control and natural hurd immunity looks like being the final path for these regions. Sanjay Gupta (CNN's favourite Doctor) said a while back that hurd immunity would take 4 years. I think that that's likely to be where we stand now with final disease control worldwide coming in at around 2025.
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There also wasn't much fast worldwide travel available to people (technically, not to mention affordability of it). There was also about 6bn less people on the planet, and much of the population lived in rural areas.
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The only reason countries other than UK, US, EU and a few others are lagging way behind is production constraints. Once developed nations reach enough vaccination rates there will be an enourmous surplus that will naturally flow to developing nations. The world is vaccinating 100 million people every 5 days at the moment and it can do much faster, problem is not capacity but availability of doses.
I'm no expert, but with 12,000 million doses forecast to be produced only in 2021, that is enough to vaccinate 70% of the world. I think is quite apparent by now that the pandemic as we know it will end in late 2022 even if there's need for 3rd doses next year. That's without accounting for new vaccines and treatments coming to the market.
The real question is how this whole thing is going to affect the lives of everyone in the industry who lost their jobs. Here's my bet:
- US: first to recover, domestic back to 2019 levels by end of this year, international by mid-end 2022. Shortage of experienced guys late next year.
- EU and UK: recovery starting mid-summer this year, back to 2019 levels next summer. International by mid-end 2022. With a massive influx of returned expatriated pilots, no shortage until 2023 or later. T&Cs to remain under downward pressure until then.
- AUS: great initial management of the pandemic, catastrophic planning when it comes to vaccine rollout. Expected to be isolated til at least mid-2022. What can I say.
- Gulf (EK, EY, QR etc.): heavily dependant on connecting international traffic (bar Dubai intl.), last aviation area to recover, no 2019 levels til 2023.
With EY quitting the 'world domination' race, I see EK agressively bringing capacity back as soon as major markets open to business (in order: US, UK, EU, Asia, Oceania, South America Africa). Starting this summer, picking up in Q4 2021.
QR will have a heads up in the game and will definitely benefit from a more adequate fleet mix. TK will also be a contender.
2.5 years without touching an airplane is quite long... so it´ll be interesting to see who is willing to return to the sandpit and who is offered a return too and under what conditions. Airlines will definitely favour local cadets and pilots if available as it is their final goal to get rid of the expats.
A comprehensive training programme will have to be designed. One thing is for sure: people will hardly go back to ME for job security reasons!
Once market regains balance, they will have to attract pilots with T&Cs. Fast upgrades used to be a selling point but... in this new normal I wouldn't be so sure.
There are so many devastating stories amongst our colleagues... I really hope everyone who wishes to return will be able to. Stay strong!
The only reason countries other than UK, US, EU and a few others are lagging way behind is production constraints. Once developed nations reach enough vaccination rates there will be an enourmous surplus that will naturally flow to developing nations. The world is vaccinating 100 million people every 5 days at the moment and it can do much faster, problem is not capacity but availability of doses.
I'm no expert, but with 12,000 million doses forecast to be produced only in 2021, that is enough to vaccinate 70% of the world. I think is quite apparent by now that the pandemic as we know it will end in late 2022 even if there's need for 3rd doses next year. That's without accounting for new vaccines and treatments coming to the market.
The real question is how this whole thing is going to affect the lives of everyone in the industry who lost their jobs. Here's my bet:
- US: first to recover, domestic back to 2019 levels by end of this year, international by mid-end 2022. Shortage of experienced guys late next year.
- EU and UK: recovery starting mid-summer this year, back to 2019 levels next summer. International by mid-end 2022. With a massive influx of returned expatriated pilots, no shortage until 2023 or later. T&Cs to remain under downward pressure until then.
- AUS: great initial management of the pandemic, catastrophic planning when it comes to vaccine rollout. Expected to be isolated til at least mid-2022. What can I say.
- Gulf (EK, EY, QR etc.): heavily dependant on connecting international traffic (bar Dubai intl.), last aviation area to recover, no 2019 levels til 2023.
With EY quitting the 'world domination' race, I see EK agressively bringing capacity back as soon as major markets open to business (in order: US, UK, EU, Asia, Oceania, South America Africa). Starting this summer, picking up in Q4 2021.
QR will have a heads up in the game and will definitely benefit from a more adequate fleet mix. TK will also be a contender.
2.5 years without touching an airplane is quite long... so it´ll be interesting to see who is willing to return to the sandpit and who is offered a return too and under what conditions. Airlines will definitely favour local cadets and pilots if available as it is their final goal to get rid of the expats.
A comprehensive training programme will have to be designed. One thing is for sure: people will hardly go back to ME for job security reasons!
Once market regains balance, they will have to attract pilots with T&Cs. Fast upgrades used to be a selling point but... in this new normal I wouldn't be so sure.
There are so many devastating stories amongst our colleagues... I really hope everyone who wishes to return will be able to. Stay strong!
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- Gulf (EK, EY, QR etc.): heavily dependant on connecting international traffic (bar Dubai intl.), last aviation area to recover, no 2019 levels til 2023.
