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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 28th Apr 2021, 00:05
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Why would it take until 2023?
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 00:35
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IATA forecast for air travel to recover to pre pandemic levels.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 01:26
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For all the previously stated reasons.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 03:50
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Aussiefarmer mate, I think you are a tad optimistic and I think that you are way off.
We are years away from recovery to 2019 levels. Just keep in mind yeah, it is illegal to leave England at the moment. Mandatory Hotel Quarantine in the UK and Ireland. Many other EU countries only now starting to adopt it. Australia and NZ hermits at the end of the world for god knows how long. India is out of control boys. Just being realistic. What about economic impact after the pandemic? Its not just going to go back to the they things were, is it? Weve been watching this for more than a year now. I think its time that we get with the program. Traffic light travel system in UK and EU. UAE on a no travel list, indefinitely. UAE on level 4 list in the US.
I hope Im wrong and that it recovers in the next 6 months and we can all fly airplanes again and drink miserable coffee at 3am on the way to Melbourne for the layover if a lifetime, but weve been here for more than a year and things are not pricking up as fast as we thought, are they?
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 04:41
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2023 reference was the remark of being unable to get the pilots trainied . I highly doubt they will need them by 2023. That being said They only need 3 training sessions , RTGS , 8 sectors , LRC and LC if inside 24 months. Recall SFE's and run 24 -32 sim sessions a day . TREs and TRIs do the line training and checking .
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 06:01
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Vaccination availability is not the only problem. Here in Hong Kong there is more then enough and it's open to anyone over 18 years. Still only 3% of the population have taken the shot. Currently you can basically walk into the vaccination centres and not even wait in line.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 06:58
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Aussiefarmer, I think you should stick to farming!
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 10:27
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Originally Posted by 14 6
Aussiefarmer, I think you should stick to farming!
Luckly this is a pilot forum, I'll worry when a TRE tells me that during a PPC debrief. I grew up farming mate and have no issues going back full time. Not done with flying though.

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The problem with this forecast, is EK is 1500 pilots less than what they were in 2019. There is no chance EK can be operating at 2019 levels in 2023, even if they started rehiring yesterday.
I'd be surprised if they haven't thought of that. I'm sure they can ramp up training as required without problems even using unused A380 sims from other carriers if that was required. In the past, they have trained over 600 pilots plus many upgrades within a year.
That requires much more training capacity than rejoiners.

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I think you are a tad optimistic and I think that you are way off.
I'm probably on the optimistic side - happy to hear arguments against it - but that's in line with IATA and senior airline exec forecasts. What is happening now (UK list, US recommendations...) looks like a step back but there are all logical reactions to uneven epidemic realities around the World. That will get sorted in time.
True we've been here more than a year and honestly, at first, I thought things wouldn't pick up for many years. But now I reckon recovery will happen faster. Vaccines are the only way out of this and are luckly being rolled out at pace.
There is massive pent-up demand (you can see it every time restrictions are lifted).
Regarding long-term economic damage, I reckon is very limited due to the massive stimulus that have been given by the governments of developed nations. The majority of travelers have more savings now than in 2019. Wealthy and middle-high class in developing countries will have no issues getting vaccinated and back in the skies again.

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Still only 3% of the population have taken the shot
That's plain wrong, 11.5% of HKG residents have taken a dose, which is in line with many other countries at the moment.
Vaccine hesitancy exists, particularly in certain parts Asia, but current rollouts and studies are showing that % of people that will not get one is much lower than previously thought. And that, by itself, won't stop EK from ramping up their business again.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 14:37
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The recovery is very uneven with domestic airlines that have a strong network, in countries such as the USA and Australia doing well at close to pre pandemic levels as pax that would have gone abroad are forced to holiday within the borders. Some US airlines are even talking about recruitment in the near future.

If you're a freighter pilot at the moment you need to watch your flight and duty time limits carefully.

It's the long haul, premium, connecting market which was hit first, was the most badly affected and will be the last to recover. Long haul will come back but will involve direct flights between safe countries to begin with and few people will be buying business class tickets. Some of the business travel market is lost forever as companies have discovered how much can be accomplished online. Connecting flights through hubs are still unacceptable as travel bubbles tend to require 14 days in the country of origin, a negative test result and a direct flight . The Singapore - Hong Kong travel bubble which has been postponed numerous times and is now scheduled for next month, has specific flights for these pax, if you arrive on a non bubble flight it's off to the quarantine hotel for 2 -3 weeks.

Developed countries with mostly vaccinated populations will be able to open up to each other first, ie Europe - North America. This traffic doesn't route through the ME, nor does North America to Asia and Australia. Europe to safe Asian destinations can be done direct and Europe to Australia can be done via a safe country such as Singapore. Much of the ME transit traffic involves badly affected countries such as India or traffic which can bypass the region if it has to.

Full recovery is still a long way off.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 17:01
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I am not referring to your flying skills mate, I am talking about your crystal ball gazing abilities! Not one single soul on this planet knows how the future is going to pan out, especially regarding covid, hence my advice to you to stick to farming. At least, according to your own admission, it is something you know about.

By the way, is there any evidence so far that the massive vax campaign is bringing the numbers of new infections/deaths down? I am seeing the opposite. Global numbers started to drop in December and in March (when vaccinations really started ramping up) the trend reversed. It has spiked to the same levels as December. Everything today is data driven. When are we going to see the numbers dropping? How long before we see the effects of the vaccines? On the one hand we are seeing India suffering over 300k (I think the real number is much higher) new cases per day and on the other hand Aus and NZ goes into a panic lock down for 2 cases as has just happened again. How will normalcy ever return with these numbers and behaviours? We all want to be optimistic, but I just don’t see any evidence to support it.

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Old 28th Apr 2021, 17:52
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Why does everybody go on about seniority in Emirates and in Dubai. Am always getting asked how long have been here? Yet it’s the only place on earth where it matters little how long you have been here ? Didn’t loads of our “seniors” on the 380 get the boot ?

Ryanair didn’t make one pilot redundant yet those pilots who used to laugh at Ryanair as an employer are now back in South Africa or working as butchers in silicon whilst the guys in Ryanair are on full pay and have been all along.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 18:30
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Not to mention loads of seniors on B777 got fired. Seniority means nothing in EK except to get a seat on the plane when going on leave.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 18:36
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I do agree with everything but perhaps Ryanair aren’t the greatest example. I do know of guys (contractors though) that did get the boot but in fairness probably the one of the airlines that got rid of the least pilots in the world.
Unfortunately everyone I know in the company hasn’t been on full pay for pretty much a year.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 18:40
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Any plans to come back? There will be a lot of us leaving as soon as better options come up back home Australians will stay as no other options but a lot of us Europeans will try and get a better gig I’m sure
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 18:46
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There was more redundancy on the 380 in Emirates than Ryanair, ba , easyJet , jet2 and virgin Atlantic all added together.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 18:49
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No one said otherwise..
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 18:51
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Booster jabs needed in the autumn. India recording over 200K deaths. That’s the big issue I see. That’s where the people who travel with the ME3 come from. No country will risk another wave. So I see issues going forward with travel out of India. We are no further along since this time last year really.
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Ryanair do 4 days on 3 days off. At home every night in your own bed. They have a lot going for them. Used to think there were a joke but now the jokes on me.

I was the one who went to the Middle East. Flying around the world exhausted.

Trainers who would spout out some rubbish and if you didn’t agree you could be packing your bags going home. Getting written up because you landed 50cm left of centre line.

In all my years I could count on one hand the trainers who we’re actually capable of training.

I have heard that a lot of them got made redundant. So at least the gents left will have a better time. They may even get some training,
but I doubt it.

Haven’t flown an aircraft in more than a year and they’ll sit there and get ridiculed for not keeping up to date while on unpaid leave and having no idea what the future holds.

More for your benefit mate. Definitely won’t miss the ozzy teaching skills, or lack there of.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 21:03
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Everything will be okay ... it will just take some time.

What complete and utter meaningless rubbish . Saw many good pilots go through the worst year of their lives , came to Emirates for stability , instead lost their careers whilst airlines they left did everything they could to keep their employees employed. No promise of them ever being asked to return, no jobs for them to go home to, marriage breaking down , kids losing all their mates, developing eating disorders because of their change in circumstances but it’s alright everybody, pudding says everything will be all right in the end.

still be guys telling us the grass isn’t always greener . We don’t help ourselves
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Local cadets only
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