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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 19th May 2020, 00:36
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Your all crackers if you think EK give a rodents rectum about any of you -your slaves in dxb just to make the government money,when they donít need you -your gone ASAP just like your beloved leader STC! You will all get your marching orders very soon unfortunately.Remember which country you are in and who you work for -it may lessen the blow mentally when the inevitable happens.Good luck to you all
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Old 19th May 2020, 02:39
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
I am wondering if you are his ex wife and still a bit upset. What a lot of emotional dribble.
In that case: I want HALF of everything he owns.
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Old 19th May 2020, 04:30
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post

It's not all bad news though, EK are integral to Dubai and will get significant government support.
Unfortunately, Dubai's main source of income is from tourism, and that won't be picking up anytime soon.
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Old 19th May 2020, 07:05
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I predict there will be decrease in frequency but no destinations being cut. That would mean some of the less profitable stations will be axed and contracted off. Obviously that would be a shame.
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Old 19th May 2020, 09:50
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Wouldn't it then make sense to consolidate that demand for seats into a larger aircraft? Say one shaped like an A380...?
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Old 19th May 2020, 10:08
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Decreasing frequencies makes a connecting flight far less appealing, 2-3 hours in between is fine to stretch your legs and look around the shops but once that goes much past 4 hours a direct flight starts to look more attractive. 10 hours journey time vs 17 hours total would swing it for most people unless the fare difference was considerable.

Smaller aircraft are needed in this case which is another nail in the coffin for the A380. Two B787 flights per day instead of one A380 will be required to keep connection and total journey times to acceptable levels.
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Old 19th May 2020, 12:24
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100% true. I am ex-EK with contacts to executive management. As the original statement said, the study in underway and yes 30% is the number they are looking at. As shitty as the reality is, it is true however there will be many airlines globally who will be forced to follow the same path.
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Old 19th May 2020, 13:05
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Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel View Post
Wouldn't it then make sense to consolidate that demand for seats into a larger aircraft? Say one shaped like an A380...?
only if there was the demand to fill it - once you get to a 777 being overbooked you get into the kinds of issues krismiler alludes to like connection times.

The other point is that a 777 can carry more freight to offset the drop in passenger numbers so may reach profitability on a particular route before the Whale
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Old 19th May 2020, 13:55
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The global aviation business is not going to bend over backwards to welcome EK back . This is their opportunity to re evaluate and re write agreements . Everything will change and nothing will be like it was . EK thrived on medium /long haul hub and spoke. They will now have to re envent themselves. 787/350/ FZ/EY . I would even think the 779/8 are vulnerable to a huge adjustment. Current EK guys are bracing themselves for the axe to fall.
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Old 19th May 2020, 18:04
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Originally Posted by dubaidude316 View Post
100% true. I am ex-EK with contacts to executive management. As the original statement said, the study in underway and yes 30% is the number they are looking at. As shitty as the reality is, it is true however there will be many airlines globally who will be forced to follow the same path.
but they wonít axe routes and such?
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Old 20th May 2020, 01:13
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Why not ? They have in the past . Money talks !
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Old 20th May 2020, 13:48
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Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel View Post
Wouldn't it then make sense to consolidate that demand for seats into a larger aircraft? Say one shaped like an A380...?
As much as i feel for the stubborn urge to resuscitate the dodo, errr, sorry, the 380, i fail to understand how down to earth pilots with a pretence of having a well developed common sense still keep that urge up.

This aircraft works well when deployed on more than 85% occupancy routes, with a lot of well paying business and first customers, in sufficient numbers and with cheap fuel. Today only the latter still applies and this will stay for the near and middle future.

What the big airlines now need, is an aircraft that can economically operate mid- to long-haul routes, can remain economically viable down to 40% occupancy, has a big belly to take up huge freight loads when passengers are scarce, but when they show up in bigger numbers can still accommodate a nice chunk of them.

It’s more or less a one size fits all that makes a restart financially viable, not many desirable variations. These more specific versions, with their economical advantage on niches, will come back once the situation gets back to what it was. But that will take time.

Now put yourself into shoes of managers and not creationists and the graphs on these websites displaying the birds actually aloft start making sense.
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Old 21st May 2020, 06:58
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Tanzania has just announced complete reopening of its borders to international air travel.
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Old 21st May 2020, 07:37
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At least theres an abundance of sand around.
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Old 21st May 2020, 09:33
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Unmentionable down the road has just made significant cc lay-offs. Don't know about pilots or other categories. Can;t mention the unmentionable. Numbers I can't confirm but I got the info from one involved. Inevitable I guess but still sad.
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Old 21st May 2020, 12:08
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Originally Posted by Cantbebothered View Post
The author of the article might not be that reliable (he was cabin crew for only 6 years at EK)....a lot of the stuff he posts has a ring of truth to it and some totally true. He has contacts at EGHQ that give him these tip offs. Regardless of the article...we all know a substantial amount of layoffs are coming in order to for EK to regain its footing. Being in denial and getting angry when someone mentions the inevitable is just lying to yourselves.Best start preparing for Plan B.
Didn't you leave years ago for a Low Cost out of Cape Town? I hope that plan B worked out well for you.

A very confusing thread this one, as not many of these posts actually come from EK pilots. But it does seem like everyone else has an opinion.

I hope all the EK pilots (and groupies and hangers on this thread has attracted) are doing well. One day, this will all be over. Those normal nights of sleep you have been getting use to will be over, and we will be able to bitch and moan about normal [email protected] again.

For those Gent EK retired pilots, thanks for your thoughts. I know several of you went through this type of disruption once or even a few times in your career. Let's hope we learnt some lessons from you.
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Old 21st May 2020, 16:49
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AF beaching the whale immediately

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/air-...ediate-effect/
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Old 21st May 2020, 17:06
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Kind of bizarre to see don of all people pleading for sensitivity, speaking of emotional dribble. Next Sir Tim will be on here asking that we all just get along and give each other a hug.

As to the lack of comments from actual EK pilots, allow me to relay that in speaking to a couple of those exact specimens, I would say that the rumours are pretty bang on. A big cull expected last week, just didn't materialize yet. Lots of speculation as to the reasoning for some odd roster codes.

Quibble if you want about the numbers but when most of a business is built on the most vulnerable type of flying (longhaul) in the most vulnerable sector on earth (aviation) I'm not sure why people are so defensive. Downsizing is inevitable, no reason to think EK will be immune.

Not really opinion, more like basic economics.

And one truism: no one will cry for EK.
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Old 21st May 2020, 20:03
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We could have let one "dribble" usage slide but now there are two. The word is "drivel".
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Old 21st May 2020, 20:17
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Originally Posted by nolimitholdem View Post

And one truism: no one will cry for EK.

Those poor sods who lose their jobs and cant get another in current environment will. I dont understand this bizarre hatred for EK - if you dont want to work for them dont apply for the job.
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