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Emirates: New "Acid" test after Recurrent SIM!

Old 26th Sep 2017, 16:41
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Seaman Staynes and other like minded twats.

Sign on out of Dubai is one hour twenty five minutes prior to departure.

You can stick it up your arse if you think I, or anyone else, owe you, or any other ****, an explanation as to what I, or anyone else, have been doing one hour twenty six minutes prior to departure.

As far as you super heroes who think spot checks are fine, see my suggestion to Seaman Staynes above.

It's about time you lot got your hands off it and realise who the real enemy is.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 16:48
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See - told ya!
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 17:11
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Just take both sectors SS.
I believe recruiting has now dropped to even lower requirements than those allowed emiratesf hucker in. Frozen ATPL is the newest rumour. So it would appear that the problem isn't going to be addressed.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 18:20
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Cadets have a frozen ATPL . I know, I know ! ..as for the 1hr 26 min man .. not much more to be said other than a very bitter mini activist pointing at the wrong target ... sad .
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 18:44
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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes View Post
I was talking more about the few guys / gals who saunter into the briefing room with a couple of minutes to go until its time to go to the bus, complaining about being picked up late yet still have a coffee in hand, obviously don't have any time for anything at home - dirty shoes, half ironed shirt etc etc! These guys and gals mostly continue with this laissez faire attitude during the flight most likely chair back, speaker on also trying to text their mates whilst you're not looking!!
It's a generational thing I suppose and I've seen it in the U.S. in recent years as well.

I've seen video games on the iPhone while PF on climbout in Chinese metric RVSM. Texting and doing Instagram selfies while taxiing a widebody. Popping a GoPro out unannounced to record HD video of the cockpit when the throttles come up on a max gross takeoff roll.

And, if you say anything, you are the bad guy for being insensitive to your coworker's needs.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 20:59
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And I always thought it was the 7 P's. Prior Planning and Preparation Prevents P*ss Poor Performance.

Prep for me on a training flight involves 5 mins of getting to know the guy/girl first over a coffee. If they ask for a soy crappofrappolappocino then both sectors are mine. Simples!
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 02:24
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Originally Posted by 777-200LR View Post
Unfortunately, in this job, IF you have a bad day and your FO is also not having the best of days, it usually ends up on the National Geographic Channel.
Oh please. "Usually"?! Any errors are undesirable, but there is a spectrum between small recoverable errors and smoking holes. No need to go full drama queen. My point was only that anyone can make mistakes, and being exposed more often to a punitive culture cannot be seen as a positive move.

As Trader said, it's about the tone of the missive, not just the content. If a checker looks for problems they can always find them. Of course I think for the vast majority random checks will be a non-issue. But the overly-dismissive attitudes of some will inevitably lead to them being knocked off their high horse. Always does.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 03:01
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Oh noes, BOTH sectors??! But whatever you do don't throw me in the briar patch
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 13:35
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Er, I thought these threads were 'moderated' and profane language was not allowed? Having been referred to as a '[email protected]' for no apparent reason by a complete stranger I thought that I would give the ek posts a wide berth. The majority of people I met in ek were courteous and professional and of course were unlikely to be quite so brave face to face. I will say this: whatever the (justifiable) complaints ref Emirates at least they have not reverted to a complete ban as per the 'other' UAE airline. If the post by e/f is representative ( I don't think it is btw) I can only surmise mental illness, drink etc. Not a good advert for the airline.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 15:44
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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes View Post
Ruserious - not got enough time to make yourself a cup at home if its that important!

I was talking more about the few guys / gals who saunter into the briefing room with a couple of minutes to go until its time to go to the bus, complaining about being picked up late yet still have a coffee in hand, obviously don't have any time for anything at home - dirty shoes, half ironed shirt etc etc! These guys and gals mostly continue with this laissez faire attitude during the flight most likely chair back, speaker on also trying to text their mates whilst you're not looking!!
You know what I mean!
I think these are the ones who are being targeted!
Duty doesn't start till -85. I'm not required to do anything until then, so i will go and get a coffee. If I make it to the room before -85 then you should consider yourself lucky!
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:59
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Originally Posted by WakeTurb_69 View Post
Duty doesn't start till -85. I'm not required to do anything until then, so i will go and get a coffee. If I make it to the room before -85 then you should consider yourself lucky!
Wake - you are indeed correct. I chatted to a fella who decided to pick that fight. Fleet were most courteous and understanding and invited him in for a friendly chat, where he protested righteously his compliance with OMA. They were most appreciative of his interest in OMA compliance - told him gently that the when it came to the rules - his lack of 'off base notification' and 12hr prior in Dubai before to at least two flights in his recent months were additional topics of discussion - not to mention a look back at his travel record that revealed Non acclimation due return to base on pvt travel on more than a few occasions.

Not saying it's right, dont shoot the messenger - but pick your battles.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 10:21
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Wake Turb 69, just out of curiosity, which seat are you paid to occupy, if I may ask?
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 10:56
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"temporarily occupy", you mean
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 12:18
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At a guess, RHS. Very new, loves shiny jets, Instagram, and possibly may ( or may not) have spikey hair.
And I suggest, he may be in for a big shock on his first visit to the third floor.

However, I could be very wrong.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 14:37
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Let me buy you a amber one. Quote of the year soy crappofrappolacino.
Hit the nail on the head
Hahaha. Love it
So true if you ever needed an example of the current generation

Originally Posted by Eau de Boeing View Post
And I always thought it was the 7 P's. Prior Planning and Preparation Prevents P*ss Poor Performance.

Prep for me on a training flight involves 5 mins of getting to know the guy/girl first over a coffee. If they ask for a soy crappofrappolappocino then both sectors are mine. Simples!
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 12:15
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Duty doesn't start till -85
So if you're a real man and want to send the company your message don't check in before -85, just wait outside.

Showing up 15' after that light turns green is a very bad way to start a duty and, if it wasn't an even worst breach of CRM, I'd take both sectors.

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Old 30th Sep 2017, 07:01
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I hope some of you don't talk to each other on the flight deck like that...

Anyway.... it isn't unusual for anyone to miss or misinterpret a couple of radio calls into some shit hole airport with substandard ATC. I wonder how far they will take this?
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 07:03
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There's a big difference between missing info because you're not listening out and monitoring effectively to asking ATC to repeat something because you didn't hear clearly or understand the instruction. If you're not sure of the clearance, ask and keep asking until you do.

If anyone marks you down because of the latter, they shouldn't be on the flight deck, let alone in training.

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Old 1st Oct 2017, 22:59
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It's quite notable and strange how a lot of Emirates threads degenerate into a slanging match between captains and FOs. I'm not quite sure why it happens but I think it's symptomatic of an environment where some guys in the LHS start to believe in their own inherent superiority and are disappointed when their FO colleague doesn't appear to live up to the ideal standards which they believe they possess themselves.

There appears to be a certain smug arrogance displayed by some captains towards the junior colleague who just might one day save their ass should they have been wise enough not to alienate them from report time onwards. Whatever you think of that colleague, it's the one resource that's going to accompany you onto the flight deck and you might as well get the best out of them rather than dismiss them for failing to be exactly like you (or how you think you are, more to the point).

Then again, I don't think the company or national culture exactly values the characteristic of humility in those in leadership positions. Bit dangerous in aviation if you ask me and a situation which the whole system of CRM was designed to address. Nowadays, I'm lucky enough to work for an airline with an extremely flat hierarchy both in and out of the flight deck and where I have every confidence that all my colleagues on the flight will do as much to protect my ass as I will theirs. I still don't take it for granted even 4 years after leaving Emirates.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 02:42
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My personal Acid test is Emirates destroying my health and can we do better somewhere else? The answers to both are most affirmative YES.
Time to get out for our own good.
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