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Is it me or is the forum filling up with Trolls?
glofish thank you for your post. And I can assure you I won't be selling my soul to no one, the only issue today is if I don't pay 40k for an a320 TR with ezy, someone behind me will be waving the cash and jump at the chance. It is hard to keep principles at this level I'm at but I do do my best.
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I'm just really interested in the reality of life in the context of what I'm witnessing from two separate sources on a daily basis.
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Hello gentlemen.
I feel very intimidated posting here but here goes ...
Basically I think I'm the guy you all hate, young 20 year old who dreams of flying for EK and doing everything possible at the lower ends of this industry to climb up and make that become a reality. Now I've read all the various threads and know exactly how the majority here feel about EK, and not only EK but the people who are joining with the background I currently have (young, free, willing to do anything to fly LH in the middle east, I would take any chance there be it QR or EY, but EK attracts me the most somehow and hoping my current route and building experience here takes me there.)
Anyway to cut a long story short. I'm on instagram, facebook etc and "follow" many emirates pilots. And they all seem to be having an absolute ball if I'm honest. I messaged one prominent Dutch person and queried him as to the negative claims and he brushed them off totally and said life there is what he imagined and more. My newsfeed is often awash with images of happy faces in all parts of the world, be it boarding speedboats to the hotel in Male or sitting at Boston Common taking the world in.
Bottom line is none of these people remotely reflect the idea of life I get of the place from these forums. And it is difficult to know what to believe. Would anyone here at least vouch for the happy lifestyle that is showed off by many of your colleagues on social media or is it total BS ? It really is confusing, I have a friend who himself is in a position to apply at the moment but he's put it on hold cos he, like me, can't figure what the hell is going on with the contradictions.
Thank you all,
I feel very intimidated posting here but here goes ...
Basically I think I'm the guy you all hate, young 20 year old who dreams of flying for EK and doing everything possible at the lower ends of this industry to climb up and make that become a reality. Now I've read all the various threads and know exactly how the majority here feel about EK, and not only EK but the people who are joining with the background I currently have (young, free, willing to do anything to fly LH in the middle east, I would take any chance there be it QR or EY, but EK attracts me the most somehow and hoping my current route and building experience here takes me there.)
Anyway to cut a long story short. I'm on instagram, facebook etc and "follow" many emirates pilots. And they all seem to be having an absolute ball if I'm honest. I messaged one prominent Dutch person and queried him as to the negative claims and he brushed them off totally and said life there is what he imagined and more. My newsfeed is often awash with images of happy faces in all parts of the world, be it boarding speedboats to the hotel in Male or sitting at Boston Common taking the world in.
Bottom line is none of these people remotely reflect the idea of life I get of the place from these forums. And it is difficult to know what to believe. Would anyone here at least vouch for the happy lifestyle that is showed off by many of your colleagues on social media or is it total BS ? It really is confusing, I have a friend who himself is in a position to apply at the moment but he's put it on hold cos he, like me, can't figure what the hell is going on with the contradictions.
Thank you all,
Trust me, this isn't glamorous or sustainable.
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Mr Kite.
Yes there are many smiling happy pictures from people all over the world and I am sure I'm amongst them. There are many negative quotes on here, the truth lays in the middle, but whilst it used to be more towards the smiling faces it is now more towards the negative.
I will try and enjoy the down time down route I have, but often I am exhausted and don't get the chance. There are few pictures of me asleep on the sofa at 3pm at home after an all night red eye to India and back, or a 17:30 Auckland night flight, to be shortly followed by that Indian night turn....
The rostering is totally exhausting.
Things have most definitely changed. I would guess that by the time you are in a position to apply they will have changed further.
Would I apply to join the company I joined some 10 years ago? Definitely Yes
Would I apply to join the company I joined 10 years ago again today ? Definitely No
Yes there are many smiling happy pictures from people all over the world and I am sure I'm amongst them. There are many negative quotes on here, the truth lays in the middle, but whilst it used to be more towards the smiling faces it is now more towards the negative.
I will try and enjoy the down time down route I have, but often I am exhausted and don't get the chance. There are few pictures of me asleep on the sofa at 3pm at home after an all night red eye to India and back, or a 17:30 Auckland night flight, to be shortly followed by that Indian night turn....
The rostering is totally exhausting.
Things have most definitely changed. I would guess that by the time you are in a position to apply they will have changed further.
Would I apply to join the company I joined some 10 years ago? Definitely Yes
Would I apply to join the company I joined 10 years ago again today ? Definitely No
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I don't do much twitface or flickgram because I'm too busy having a life and, well, wasting time on here. However, to me it seems all about the impression you want to give. I do sometimes think it would be fun to set up two separate accounts- one to show all the positive stuff about Dubai and Emirates and one to show all the negative. I'm sure I could make people back in the real world green with envy and have them feeling sorry for me at the same time. As ever, the truth would be somewhere in the middle- and the negative stuff would probably get me fired, which is why I won't be doing it.
When people make major decisions about things like moving their family halfway around the world for a new job and a completely new life they really, really want to think they have made the right decision and they want everybody else to think that as well. Hence there is a great reluctance to post anything negative on social media. I don't think I have ever seen a post on Facebook by someone admitting that their new job/car/house/wife is actually a huge mistake and they wish they had never done it/bought it/married it. Call it human nature, call it confirmation bias if you want to sound clever but either way remember- the internet is not real life.
When people make major decisions about things like moving their family halfway around the world for a new job and a completely new life they really, really want to think they have made the right decision and they want everybody else to think that as well. Hence there is a great reluctance to post anything negative on social media. I don't think I have ever seen a post on Facebook by someone admitting that their new job/car/house/wife is actually a huge mistake and they wish they had never done it/bought it/married it. Call it human nature, call it confirmation bias if you want to sound clever but either way remember- the internet is not real life.
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I don't do much twitface or flickgram because I'm too busy having a life and, well, wasting time on here. However, to me it seems all about the impression you want to give. I do sometimes think it would be fun to set up two separate accounts- one to show all the positive stuff about Dubai and Emirates and one to show all the negative. I'm sure I could make people back in the real world green with envy and have them feeling sorry for me at the same time. As ever, the truth would be somewhere in the middle- and the negative stuff would probably get me fired, which is why I won't be doing it.
When people make major decisions about things like moving their family halfway around the world for a new job and a completely new life they really, really want to think they have made the right decision and they want everybody else to think that as well. Hence there is a great reluctance to post anything negative on social media. I don't think I have ever seen a post on Facebook by someone admitting that their new job/car/house/wife is actually a huge mistake and they wish they had never done it/bought it/married it. Call it human nature, call it confirmation bias if you want to sound clever but either way remember- the internet is not real life.
When people make major decisions about things like moving their family halfway around the world for a new job and a completely new life they really, really want to think they have made the right decision and they want everybody else to think that as well. Hence there is a great reluctance to post anything negative on social media. I don't think I have ever seen a post on Facebook by someone admitting that their new job/car/house/wife is actually a huge mistake and they wish they had never done it/bought it/married it. Call it human nature, call it confirmation bias if you want to sound clever but either way remember- the internet is not real life.
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Everyone in EK knows that the people who comment often on PPRUNE are the worst of the worst. Horrible people who won't be happy even if they won the lottery. Take my advice and do the same as I did. Enjoy the posts, eat popcorn during and ignore everything. EK isn't that bad honestly, people like above make it horrible.
Oh attack me btw, popcorn is ready ❤
Oh attack me btw, popcorn is ready ❤
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Flyingshere, I think you are out of bounds calling anyones wife hateful, I don't care how much you disagree with any poster here! Someone else's family should be kept out of any discussion.
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Everyone in EK knows that the people who comment often on PPRUNE are the worst of the worst. Horrible people who won't be happy even if they won the lottery. Take my advice and do the same as I did. Enjoy the posts, eat popcorn during and ignore everything. EK isn't that bad honestly, people like above make it horrible.
Oh attack me btw, popcorn is ready ❤
Oh attack me btw, popcorn is ready ❤
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Enjoy the popcorn newbie.
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Mind recommending another carrier to apply for then? Still haven't received a suggestion.
- To get a rating + job on a SH jet you have to fork out ~100'000$.
- The first 5 years you work for peanuts (or less), you just survive.
- The next 5 years you try to change job to get a ultra fast upgrade to start making a decent life.
- During these 10 years you can survive, but you're stuck on your initial investment, not possible to repay the debts.
- The next 5 years you can either start putting money aside for the education of your kids, or have no family, or start paying back your debts.
- The next five years you make decent money, but you will start feeling the pinch of inhumane rostering, and you're only 45!
- Reaching 50, and if lucky enough not having your wife run away with half of the meager savings and the kids to get a life, you might have almost repaid your debt, but ruined your health and family and you can finally start building up your retirement fund.
- With 55 you are too shattered to sustain the former wet dream of LH/WB. Part time will not be allowed in your company (they prefer the young, eager, naive newbees who just paid their conversion course). You will be slowly bullied out.
- With 60 you finally decided to set a miserable end to your plight. You don't have enough for a decent retirement, but that does not matter, you'll die within the next 2 years anyway.
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The company forbids the posting of anything negative on social media with the threat of disciplinary action up to and including termination. You might wonder why?
And of course we share some nice moments of happiness on social media at some point, who wouldn't? But we surely pay for it in many other ways...
And of course we share some nice moments of happiness on social media at some point, who wouldn't? But we surely pay for it in many other ways...
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So if 99% of airlines seem to have same mis management issues, fatigue problems, lifestyle problems, no money...I guess all here agree to stay away from flying as a career?
Not looking to get attacked but more of an outsider view, from someone thats been a cabin crew before and looking to move up soon. Of course this forum will attract those that are not happy, people that are happy don't go on forums to say they are, especially not on the EK forum I guess as you easily get told you're a troll or management. I've looked at BA, Cathay, EVA, HKA, KAL airline forums and seems like everyone is against joining their airline (including BA, which was surprising). So maybe its not just EK but the whole airline industry. And I'm sorry to say but what seems most absurd is how pilots here attack each other when another pilot doesn't agree with them. I know unions are illegal there but at least standby one another in times of difficulty.
Someone once said on these forums, that pilots are their own worst enemies, and I guess it's true. As I said, I'm just an outsider, ex cc, thinking of the jump as I miss being onboard but then again if it brings so much pain to so many pilots I can't understand why someone would go through with becoming a pilot, so maybe I can also be called crazy for considering it. I can understand that it's hard to leave EK with bond repayments, loans etc and throwing away the hard work you've put into it already, even at the detriment of your health.
We all suffer from Concorde Fallacy...
Not looking to get attacked but more of an outsider view, from someone thats been a cabin crew before and looking to move up soon. Of course this forum will attract those that are not happy, people that are happy don't go on forums to say they are, especially not on the EK forum I guess as you easily get told you're a troll or management. I've looked at BA, Cathay, EVA, HKA, KAL airline forums and seems like everyone is against joining their airline (including BA, which was surprising). So maybe its not just EK but the whole airline industry. And I'm sorry to say but what seems most absurd is how pilots here attack each other when another pilot doesn't agree with them. I know unions are illegal there but at least standby one another in times of difficulty.
Someone once said on these forums, that pilots are their own worst enemies, and I guess it's true. As I said, I'm just an outsider, ex cc, thinking of the jump as I miss being onboard but then again if it brings so much pain to so many pilots I can't understand why someone would go through with becoming a pilot, so maybe I can also be called crazy for considering it. I can understand that it's hard to leave EK with bond repayments, loans etc and throwing away the hard work you've put into it already, even at the detriment of your health.
We all suffer from Concorde Fallacy...
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Sealer,
Apply to EK. Resign from your current union protected job in a beautiful country and come running to the mighty wide-body airline and, on paper, large pay check.
Message me in my 3-5 years when you realise the biggest mistake of your life was not listening to those here, who tried to tell you that the job has taken a substantial nose dive from the one it used to be, and resembles nothing of what your perceptions were. In fact, you find that what the posters here were saying was incredibly accurate. The grass isn't greener. It's sand.
When you do I won't say 'I told you so.' I'm just going to say 'I'm sorry that I wasn't able to communicate and connect better with you, and thus save you from the place.'
Good luck.
Apply to EK. Resign from your current union protected job in a beautiful country and come running to the mighty wide-body airline and, on paper, large pay check.
Message me in my 3-5 years when you realise the biggest mistake of your life was not listening to those here, who tried to tell you that the job has taken a substantial nose dive from the one it used to be, and resembles nothing of what your perceptions were. In fact, you find that what the posters here were saying was incredibly accurate. The grass isn't greener. It's sand.
When you do I won't say 'I told you so.' I'm just going to say 'I'm sorry that I wasn't able to communicate and connect better with you, and thus save you from the place.'
Good luck.