Pilots' fatigue investigation

[Nikita81]

Change can be applied through public sentiment only when it begins to effect the bottom line.

Agreed. The only way in the information and media age where nobody gives a flying **** about anything until it appears in the news with loss of lives. Sometimes, not even then.

I wanted to comment FZ981 couple of times here and wanted to write a blog about it, but something prevents me from it. It's beyond my capabilities to write about it without too much emotion involved. And I think it would be offensive towards the dead and their families. Passengers and crew are dead. And it was a very violent death. No words can change that fact for the families and the dead. The fact that it could have been prevented leaves me without any comment. The fact that I was not shocked when I heard the news - as well.

I've heard that EK lawyers call me "the Serbian bitch". I was always amazed with this fact. I am the bitch and they are the ones who (maybe) killed 62 people? To which extent this management madness can go?

I guess I wasn't being a bitch enough. I could have gone to journalists earlier (I had many opportunities), but I believed that someone from above will get the word eventually. I even got an autopsy report for one deceased pilot, confirming that EK doesn't take care for the health of its pilots, and I've never published it nor will I (because my source changed their mind and I have to respect that). I've got the proves that EK AS managers have a prostitution business at the airport and I've never published it. And who knows which famous VIP names used the services of this business. I bet media would love to write about it.

I guess nobody from above cares. And I guess that I should have been a bigger bitch. Too late now for 62 people who dissolved into burning pieces.

[Nikita81]

I just told you that I don't feel I am in the position to write about it...

FZ981 Pilots' tiring rosters are the fact I could write about, at least.

Nevertheless, I could have used it to attract more attention to the fatigue problem in the same way RT does it. But I still feel like not doing it. People are dead. Full stop.

[harry the cod]

Nikita81

Even though our swords have crossed several times on these forums, there have been occasions when I've empathised with the shoddy treatment you received by EK and the situation you found yourself in after being dismissed.

However, post 126 is one too far. While your anger and frustration towards your former employer is still evident, your arguments are bordering on ridiculous. It was a FlyDubai plane that crashed, NOT an Emirates plane. How, therefore, you can even begin to accuse EK lawyers of (maybe) having any role in the loss of FZ981 is beyond me. Don't hide behind the brackets or come back with some pitiful excuse that English is not your mother tongue. When you first began posting here, many supported your right to free speech. That speech has become a tirade of emotive and often hardly believable stories concocted to support your own belief that your dismissal was entirely due to other people and not in any way down to your own behaviour.

You may still have those supporters, however, I am not one of them. You are just about to join my ignore list. Congratulations.

Harry

[notapilot15]

I think the management strategy from get go is to make the crime so over the top, no one will dare to tell and no one will believe.

But human tendency is to share their experience even if no one believes.

[Nikita81]

Harry,

Are you a native English speaker? If you are, then you lack intelligence. Where did you see that I have directly accused EK lawyers of anything let alone of being involved in FZ981 crash? I am talking about everyone who defend EK's politics, including the ones who call me a bitch instead of dealing with international legal frames of rostering. And that potential "guilt" is indirect, ofc.

You are very manipulative. I've noticed that before. You twist other people's words and you actually use emotion to manipulate. But don't try it on me. Doesn't work. I guess it is an achievement to be ignored by your slimy type of personality. Go ahead. I am looking forward to it. Thanks for congratulations, carry on.

Or develop some intelligence and read my post again. Especially the sentence which comes after the percieved "accusation".

[CaptainChipotle]

Nikita,

I'm usually on your side as well, but I agree with Harry here. He's right. It was Fly Dubai and not EK that crashed. Who cares what EK lawyers called you?

If you are so upset, I dare you to post all the information you have claimed to have held back regarding autopsies and prostitution. Who wouldn't be interested?

I've read most of your posts and you are very intelligent. Trust me, I'm highly reserved to call you out here, BUT to claim Harry needs to develop some intelligence is ridiculous. I am a native english speaker, and you indirectly accused EK lawyers of causing that crash. It sounds like your emotions are getting the best of you.

We ALL mourn for the loss of our colleagues, and I refuse to comment until the official report comes out.

Harry has many years experience as a Captain and you worked on the ground. This is a pilots forum. Back off of my fellow aviators.

Respectfully,
CC

[fatbus]

Harry , totally agree. Unfortunately she went on my ignore list a week ago .

[Nikita81]

So, you claim that Fly Dubai and Emirates do not have the same owner, same practices and same type of managers?

I am not quilty if you don't understand what am I saying. The picture is clear: EK (and FZ) managers (and I consider lawyers as part of the managing group) rather think of some stupid things and some people who are irrelevant for their business (like I am) than things that really matter and which can cause a crash.

I wrote this article a long time ago: https://donotflyemirates.wordpress.c...ne-cabin-crew/

And I helped Rory Jones from WSJ to write his article on pilots' life in Dubai. And all that lawyers and managers think is what a bitch I am instead of READING the articles and thinking on human lives? Paints the picture well, doesn't it?

Yes, you can bet I am under strong influence of emotions. I've admitted that, haven't I? I also told you that I have avoided to write about the crash because I can't do it without showing my anger. I am angry because the pilot of the crashed airplane was on the very tiring roster. I am angry because, according to all the information, there is no difference between EK and FlyDubai (let's be real here). I am angry because everything we did and said online didn't make any difference and people still violently lost their lives. And whatever the real reason for the crash is, that pilot still had tough roster and he complained on being fatigued, according to his friends.

And when you find out what's wrong with having and showing emotions, let me know. Until then, news flash for you CaptainChipotle: emotions and intellect are not separate things and they can function together very well if you know how to use them in a constructive and mature way. They are just two sides of the same coin. If I wasn't emotional, I would never do what I did after being fired.

Yes, I didn't write about some of the most terrible things I found out about EK, because I don't have ill intentions. My goal was to improve working conditions not to ruin EK's image. Also, although you might think that I am not afraid, sometimes I am. Therefore, I choose the stories for my blog carefully. Also, I always warn people who send me sensitive data on possible consequences (especially if they still live in Dubai). Sometimes they are still willing to publish their story, but more often they change their mind. And I don't blame them.

Why should Harry develop some intelligence? Because he is harshly judging and offending instead of reading. He is doing the same thing EK lawyers and managers do. READ Harry. If you knew how to read me, you would see that in my post I am wondering if I could do or publish something to change the sad developments in the future. For sure they are going to change your rosters now. At least to some extent. They don't need another crash with a pilot who has the roster similar to the roster of FZ981 pilot. But now I think that one huge scandal which excludes loss of lives could have done the job. And I am wondering if I or my blog could have had at least some small role in it. Instead, I always refrained myself of making huge scandals and I am not sure whether it was because I was afraid to do it, or I find it tasteless or because I am telling everyone that I don't have ill intentions. Get it now?

I've always respected the fact that you are the pilots and I am not. And I do feel like a guest here. I would never dare to comment possible reasons of the crash but I do comment pilot's roster and his statements before the crash. Maybe different roster would have had a different outcome. We will never know, but the very possibility makes me angry and emotional. So, Harry, never interfere in someone's confession. Or at least learn to recognize one. Otherwise, you will be punched.

Fatbus, I never knew you existed before. Now I know why. Thank you for ignoring me. When will you learn that I don't need anyone's support? I am alone in this from the very beginning. Your support brings me emotional satisfaction but I can really survive without it. As far as I am concerned, you can all ignore me.


Respectfully,
D.


Edit: just one correction - I don't need anyone's support except from the people close to me. And I have it.

[ClassCbird]

May I make a suggestion? It's been made before but i want to reiterate.
No one can reason with Niki81. I suggest ignoring her posts totally. She is doing no good to this forum and i would go as far to say that she is undermining the issue of PILOT fatigue.

[Nikita81]

So, what did you do to contribute to resolving the issue, ClassCbird?

I expect these kind of reactions. Especially from people doing nothing except complaining. On some forum. Online. Threatening with ignoring members as their only way to resolve problems. Hoping to benefit from someone else's efforts and risks. Wake up. I am not your problem. You have much bigger problems. Within yourselves primarily.

[Oblaaspop]

Hey Nikita, you may be a member of this forum but you are not a member of the PILOT community and therefore are most certainly not in ANY way qualified to comment on matters of pilot fatigue!

You appear to be well qualified in other areas, such as HR etc, so how would you feel if I went on an HR forum and stuck my oar in by telling you that HR people are a waste of oxygen dedicated to making other employees lives as miserable as possible (at least that would brighten up the dullest forum in existence- which is why you're probably plaguing ours).

And before you spout some childish vitriol back about my post not contributing in a positive way, you are quite correct, but unlike you at least I HAVE actually experienced pilot fatigue!

Now to paraphrase ClassCbird and many others.... Run along little girl, time to bugger off for good��

[Nikita81]

Actually, any kind of employees' fatigue and rostering problems are in the scope of HR management and Security Management. I am competent enough to write about it. I am not competent to comment on technical components of the crash therefore I am not commenting that part. It's your area.

I agree with you regarding your stand on HR management. Pure waste if oxygen and money.

Stop defending yourselves, I am not attacking you. I was writing about my experiences, and if you feel irritated it's has nothing to do with me. Online chat and forum buddies and members are just your mirror. Internet is constructed that way.

This little girl never runs away. I guess you are left only with the choice to call me a bitch, and your mirror will be complete.

Or stop attacking me when I write about my own experiences.

[jimmyg]

I must applaud those that stand up and yell " no more jello Mom " !

Unfortunately if more people took a stance the race to the bottom of the toilet in this and other industries may not have been so rapid.

Fear intimidation and repression of opinions is the cornerstone in the M.E playbook.

Let's try not to succumb to our keepers tactics.

[pacbro]

Nikita81

"And I guess that I should have been a bigger bitch."

You can relax now, you already are the bigger bitch! And before you try to attack me, don't worry, I'm not an emirates lawyer nor am I an EK pilot so I don't give a flying f&@$ what you say. But I do want to know what qualifies you to call yourself intelligent, whilst referring to others as being of lesser intelligence than what you profess yourself to be? You come across as someone who's trying her hardest to sound anything remotely clever. From your posts, there is such a thing as 'verbal diarrhea'. I suggest you add it to your google list. It's a real condition, and you should see someone about it.

Sincerely

[Nikita81]

Never said I was intelligent. CaptainChipotle said that. My verbal diarrhea has to do something with the topic at least. You used your fifth post on this forum for nothing. You would do better for yourself and the world if you have used it to tell your manager what you really think about your roster.

[deleted]

Now you can call me the biggest bitch ever. I deserve it.

[fliion]

Nikita. -

This hooker ring by airport services managers - is it after eGATE - if so do you have a phone number?

(Much prefer a massage table to overcrowded Biz lounge)

😌

thanks

[Nikita81]

It goes like this: you give me your phone number and I pass it to the manager who holds the business. He will call you. Or you can write your name here, I will put you on the list.

[Trader]

While I may or may not agree with Nikita or parts of her argument I find the 'back and forth' rather pitiful.

To make personal attacks is nothing more than a way to deflect from the conversation at hand. IT is the lowest form of argument/debate. That is represented well by the posters that have attacked her but never write on this forum (5 posts etc). Harry and the others who have debated her for a long time--keep it up. That's what the forum and what a discussion is for.

But please stop attacking her and debate the argument, not the person.

[Nikita81]

Thank you, Trader. You are a real gentleman. I can handle a real, even harsh discussion. This has just lost every meaning and it's somehow sad...

[notapilot15]

Nikita,

It is a well known reputation management technique to have dozens (if not hundreds) of accounts(with varying profiles) on all forums to defend paid clients. Individuals with opposite views will be labeled as trolls and a cook session will be performed.

It either wares-out the individual(gives up) or moderators(close the thread and/or ban the individual).

Either way pros (and their paid customers) win. Individual never wins.

Just my 2 cents.