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If you get the 330 you will be here as an FO till the fleet dies in 3-4 years
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VFE- Yes, you are correct. But unless you are a betting man I wouldn't come to the 330. Remember the 310? Also, I am not sure if all the Captain spots would be taken if you were at the bottom of the pile on the 380 in two years, but my guess is you would have missed the boat maybe not. Someone want to do the math?
Gov- I have not heard of anyone getting dinged for stepping out early. That absolutely does not mean it hasn't happened. Someone correct me if they have heard otherwise. Maybe they keep your retirement and last pay check, which after 18 months would not be much.
Slaveaway- If you can fog a mirror in level 4 English or better, then yes your qualified.
Come on down!
Gov- I have not heard of anyone getting dinged for stepping out early. That absolutely does not mean it hasn't happened. Someone correct me if they have heard otherwise. Maybe they keep your retirement and last pay check, which after 18 months would not be much.
Slaveaway- If you can fog a mirror in level 4 English or better, then yes your qualified.
Come on down!
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I think EK could be a good option for people on turboprops depending on their circumstances.
Even if they're not happy in EK they will have jet experience and could go back to low cost jet jobs in Europe or Asia. That could still be better than where some are right now and you'll have seen a bit of the world on your 24hour layovers. Maybe pulled a load of cabin crew in the process if thats your thing?!
Needless to say the A330 would be the worst case scenario. EK reserves the right to put you on that type even if you're employed as a 380 or 777 FO. But it is a useful type that you can take elsewhere if you're really not happy in EK.
Don't know how much night flying guys on props will be doing. I think it fair to say you will be doing a LOT more if you join EK.
Plenty of info on all the other negatives on pprune. Plenty of info on the positives from the company.
One more thing I would say is that it is impossible to predict time to command now. It could be much quicker than you are told or it could be much longer. Reasons being...
Fleet retirement completely varies depending on what the company wants one week or the next. Retirement rate up = expansion rate down and vice versa.
Resignations up a bit and certainly looks like that will continue with current morale levels. A future exodus could lead to DEC.
EK can move people from 777 to 380 at will. This can slow down/speed up command on specific fleets.
So as I've said to many friends thinking of joining, think long and hard about all the pros and cons and decide if it is right for you personally.
Even if they're not happy in EK they will have jet experience and could go back to low cost jet jobs in Europe or Asia. That could still be better than where some are right now and you'll have seen a bit of the world on your 24hour layovers. Maybe pulled a load of cabin crew in the process if thats your thing?!
Needless to say the A330 would be the worst case scenario. EK reserves the right to put you on that type even if you're employed as a 380 or 777 FO. But it is a useful type that you can take elsewhere if you're really not happy in EK.
Don't know how much night flying guys on props will be doing. I think it fair to say you will be doing a LOT more if you join EK.
Plenty of info on all the other negatives on pprune. Plenty of info on the positives from the company.
One more thing I would say is that it is impossible to predict time to command now. It could be much quicker than you are told or it could be much longer. Reasons being...
Fleet retirement completely varies depending on what the company wants one week or the next. Retirement rate up = expansion rate down and vice versa.
Resignations up a bit and certainly looks like that will continue with current morale levels. A future exodus could lead to DEC.
EK can move people from 777 to 380 at will. This can slow down/speed up command on specific fleets.
So as I've said to many friends thinking of joining, think long and hard about all the pros and cons and decide if it is right for you personally.
Here's an idea, put your application in and let them decide! Like anyone on here is going to know what your chances are like. Wow, scraping the bottom of the barrel it seems.
short flights long nights
Yeh, that's what I don't get. All the questions about....how long will it take to hear if I put an application in....any chance with xxxx hours....
If you are big boys, just put in an application and see what happens. But please, if you do get the job, don't come on here in 12 months complaining. You have been warned over and over again.
If you are big boys, just put in an application and see what happens. But please, if you do get the job, don't come on here in 12 months complaining. You have been warned over and over again.
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5 Years & 42K for a bond is ludicrous! No wonder they are desperate
Staff retention is now more than just a serious concern. So instead of analyzing what is the issue - pay vs cost of living, rosters, fatigue, treatment of employees to name but a few - and correcting it, what is the 'solution'? Bring out a bigger stick.
The bond was 3 years/$36k until recently. But pilots were leaving not just at the completion of their bond, but also prior to it. So the 'fix' in their mindset is to bond people for longer, for more money.
That'll work.
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Years ago I coudn't even get a friend hired with over 5000 TT on Gulfstreams and now every single 1500 hour wonder with an ATP is suitable. Put down the beer goggles, submit the application and wait. Won't help asking us if your qualifications are competitive or not, nor do most of us care. We are to busy filling out our own apps to get out of here.
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One way to solve all this nonsense...commuting or opening of crew bases in Europe/N America. Heaven forbid people would spend their hard earned cash in their own countries though!
One way to solve all this nonsense...commuting or opening of crew bases in Europe/N America. Heaven forbid people would spend their hard earned cash in their own countries though!
Regarding EKs crewing crisis, cos that's what it is now, they would rather have guys with no jet time occupying a seat than paying for experienced operators and improving the QOL for existing crew.
It should show ANY perspective interviewees what kind of a place EK is in terms of management style and how you will be viewed/treated as an employee.