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Sure.
Let's exploit all the people who "are not smart enough to take care of themselves", earn profit on their expense and call it an idealism.
I guess it's safer to invest your money in this company:
Apartheid for Diamonds: How the Jewelery Trade Enslaved Millions of Africans - AnonHQ AnonHQ
Edit: I don't know a single worker who is prepared to invest money in the system which abuses him. Line is drawn there.
Let's exploit all the people who "are not smart enough to take care of themselves", earn profit on their expense and call it an idealism.
I guess it's safer to invest your money in this company:
Apartheid for Diamonds: How the Jewelery Trade Enslaved Millions of Africans - AnonHQ AnonHQ
Edit: I don't know a single worker who is prepared to invest money in the system which abuses him. Line is drawn there.
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Absolutely correct. And that's just the point. They didn't get their profits despite an investment scheme that was secured under the rule of law. A law that is unjust and rotten. Hence the petition to make others aware.
Although, no doubt, you'll want to argue that point too..............
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Absolutely correct. And that's just the point. They didn't get their profits despite an investment scheme that was secured under the rule of law. A law that is unjust and rotten. Hence the petition to make others aware.
Although, no doubt, you'll want to argue that point too..............
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Also, most pilots at Emirates are quite a bit more mature then your average ground staff or cabin crew, so they know how the system works. They have absolutely no need to go and cry to the public on how badly they are treated.
They could warn others about how it "works" without making the investment. Then they could call it an idealism.
You seem to be quite contradictory here.
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Nikita I'm guessing that you got screwed over somehow, somewhere along the line, hence your bitterness. Maybe if you'd sought assistance from your peers via this forum you might have experienced a better outcome.
But you didn't, or if you did maybe you went about it the wrong way. Regardless, don't sign the petition, you obviously don't want to offer any support.
But please go and start a new thread to vent your spleen instead of trying to hijack this one.
But you didn't, or if you did maybe you went about it the wrong way. Regardless, don't sign the petition, you obviously don't want to offer any support.
But please go and start a new thread to vent your spleen instead of trying to hijack this one.
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Nikita
Why do you always seem to have the urge of wanting to slag Emirates off at every opportunity no matter what the topic is?
You say you were treated poorly by Emirates. Fair enough. You say you weren't paid your EOSB. Fair enough. Life is not fair.
Perhaps before your departure to Dubai, less signing the dotted line on the contract, a bit of research on the country, Emirates and the GCC in general would have been in order. Far too many people make a rapid decision of moving abroad without having made the proper research before departure; yet, then they complain and moan when things don't turn out the way they had anticipated.
I worked over 15 years for Emirates. Although, unlike yourself, I left on good terms. And, before you begin accusing me of having been part of management which appears to be your mantra whenever someone disagrees with you, I was not.
Clearly Emirates weren't for you. Working in the Middle East isn't everyone's cup of tea. Here's an advice from an ex-employee to another, GET OVER IT.
Why do you always seem to have the urge of wanting to slag Emirates off at every opportunity no matter what the topic is?
You say you were treated poorly by Emirates. Fair enough. You say you weren't paid your EOSB. Fair enough. Life is not fair.
Perhaps before your departure to Dubai, less signing the dotted line on the contract, a bit of research on the country, Emirates and the GCC in general would have been in order. Far too many people make a rapid decision of moving abroad without having made the proper research before departure; yet, then they complain and moan when things don't turn out the way they had anticipated.
I worked over 15 years for Emirates. Although, unlike yourself, I left on good terms. And, before you begin accusing me of having been part of management which appears to be your mantra whenever someone disagrees with you, I was not.
Clearly Emirates weren't for you. Working in the Middle East isn't everyone's cup of tea. Here's an advice from an ex-employee to another, GET OVER IT.
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This is becoming boring.
That is a childish conclusion.
Do you really think that anyone who doesn't agree with some of the things you claim, is bitter, frustrated, angry, crazy or stupid?
You should be learning from your experience, not accusing everyone around you for your wrong choice and your wrong decision. Accept your part of the responsibility and fight your fights. Odds for winning the war are better when you are aware of your weaknesses and mistakes.
Personally, I like people who criticize me if they have no other motive to do that than to tell their side of the story. I don't like kiss-asses even if it is my ass they are kissing.
This is becoming boring.
That is a childish conclusion.
Do you really think that anyone who doesn't agree with some of the things you claim, is bitter, frustrated, angry, crazy or stupid?
You should be learning from your experience, not accusing everyone around you for your wrong choice and your wrong decision. Accept your part of the responsibility and fight your fights. Odds for winning the war are better when you are aware of your weaknesses and mistakes.
Personally, I like people who criticize me if they have no other motive to do that than to tell their side of the story. I don't like kiss-asses even if it is my ass they are kissing.
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@Davi_d
It's very indicative how ALL of you managed to AVOID the real subject here. I don't know whether you are lying to yourselves or you really think that you are better than others (namely - third world's workers).
You have invested in something that is bad per se. I knew about abuse of the third world's workers even before I came to Dubai. There are documentaries about it all over the Internet. We all know how those science fiction buildings are built.
I didn't sign the contract for a constructive worker but for a check in agent and I come from Europe, so I knew that EK wouldn't dare to take away my passport and imprison me in the company. So I was prepared for bull**** although I didn't know how bad it really is. When I had enough of it I raised my voice and I left. But I had my passport and I could leave any time I wanted. That was enough for me. I know how to take care of myself as long as I can move freely. Those workers don't have that chance. And we ALL KNOW IT.
I didn't invest my money in EK, I didn't look for a way to benefit from the system I didn't like and, certainly, I didn't want to contribute and help the system which me and my colleagues and friends are victims of.
You, on the other hand, should think whether you should be this aggressive in your campaign because you were, actually, treated in the same way in which "employers" are treating those workers: your rights are brutally taken away.
At least you have some chances to get your money back. Nobody is giving a flying crap about those workers, including you. So did you ever ask yourselves why should anyone give a flying crap about you? Because you are fighting for ideals? Because you are white and privileged Europeans, Australians and Americans (+some of the "brown" people, as you called them)? What a pile of emotional manipulation bs is that.
It's very indicative how ALL of you managed to AVOID the real subject here. I don't know whether you are lying to yourselves or you really think that you are better than others (namely - third world's workers).
You have invested in something that is bad per se. I knew about abuse of the third world's workers even before I came to Dubai. There are documentaries about it all over the Internet. We all know how those science fiction buildings are built.
I didn't sign the contract for a constructive worker but for a check in agent and I come from Europe, so I knew that EK wouldn't dare to take away my passport and imprison me in the company. So I was prepared for bull**** although I didn't know how bad it really is. When I had enough of it I raised my voice and I left. But I had my passport and I could leave any time I wanted. That was enough for me. I know how to take care of myself as long as I can move freely. Those workers don't have that chance. And we ALL KNOW IT.
I didn't invest my money in EK, I didn't look for a way to benefit from the system I didn't like and, certainly, I didn't want to contribute and help the system which me and my colleagues and friends are victims of.
You, on the other hand, should think whether you should be this aggressive in your campaign because you were, actually, treated in the same way in which "employers" are treating those workers: your rights are brutally taken away.
At least you have some chances to get your money back. Nobody is giving a flying crap about those workers, including you. So did you ever ask yourselves why should anyone give a flying crap about you? Because you are fighting for ideals? Because you are white and privileged Europeans, Australians and Americans (+some of the "brown" people, as you called them)? What a pile of emotional manipulation bs is that.
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Nikita81. Tell me, was I married to you once?
Nightmares aside, may I just quote you from above; "I knew about abuse of the third World's workers even before I came to Dubai" and "We all know how those science fiction buildings are built".
So, despite knowing how these poor third world individuals are treated here in Dubai, you still decided to leave Serbia to earn a living from Emirates. An airline which is owned by the same government that implements such 'brutal' policies. You were quite prepared to put those morals aside for your own financial gain I guess. And when you did arrive here, where did you live? A tent? Sleep on the beach? Or was it in one of those fancy science fiction buildings?
Next time you try to take the moral high ground with statements such as "I didn't look for a way to benefit from the system I didn't like", don't be too surprised if you get one or two who disagree. It's called hypocrisy!
Nightmares aside, may I just quote you from above; "I knew about abuse of the third World's workers even before I came to Dubai" and "We all know how those science fiction buildings are built".
So, despite knowing how these poor third world individuals are treated here in Dubai, you still decided to leave Serbia to earn a living from Emirates. An airline which is owned by the same government that implements such 'brutal' policies. You were quite prepared to put those morals aside for your own financial gain I guess. And when you did arrive here, where did you live? A tent? Sleep on the beach? Or was it in one of those fancy science fiction buildings?
Next time you try to take the moral high ground with statements such as "I didn't look for a way to benefit from the system I didn't like", don't be too surprised if you get one or two who disagree. It's called hypocrisy!
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Nikita81. Tell me, was I married to you once?
Nice try, but unfortunately for you I didn't live in one of those sf buildings.
I don't have the intention to change the world, **** is everywhere. But I also don't have the intention to make others sign a petition for my attempts to use the system for my personal gain and cry that I am fighting for ideals when I actually want my badly invested money back.
Next time you try to take the moral high ground - do your homework first. You will be surprised to know that Emirates ground staff live in the conditions more similar to those of construction workers than living conditions of any other title or grade in EK.
These facts make me less of a hypocrite than all of you together.
Good bless PPRuNE. Insomnia would be much harder to survive without you guys.
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Last thing I'm going to write about this, because it's no using debating when the other party just doesn't want to listen.
Nikita, I'm from poor upbringings myself. You have no idea what it takes to become a pilot for the less fortunate, how many sacrifices and financial risks one has to take, yet you keep branding us as spoiled elitist bourgeoisies.
You blame us for avoiding topics, but you avoided an important question yourself about your day to day things you use. You obviously have a computer, in which conditions were these components made? How many children did it take to assemble it? A person with your moral standards obviously has her own sheep to make wool and clothes and doesn't buy any of the cheap confection out there that's made through child labour in Indonesia or by the children of those same Bangladeshi workers you claim to protect.
Unfortunately we live in a global world where big companies exploit the inequaties to make money. There is absolutely nothing I can do about that. What I can do however is make sure that I earn enough money to employ a maid in very good conditions, tip the workers that come and do jobs that have already been paid for a decent amount of cash and above all treat everybody who I meet, blue collar or white collar, above or below my pay grade, with a lot of respect. In return I get genuine smiles.
I do want to thank you though for feeling so bitter and attacked when what I merely wanted to do is have a debate, one where people actually listen and think before they release the hounds in their reply. Your reply rate keeps this topic hot on pprune, and the more people read about this, the more people might actually sign Bluewaters petition. That way, those guys actually get the support they deserve. A genuine thank you for that.
Nikita, I'm from poor upbringings myself. You have no idea what it takes to become a pilot for the less fortunate, how many sacrifices and financial risks one has to take, yet you keep branding us as spoiled elitist bourgeoisies.
You blame us for avoiding topics, but you avoided an important question yourself about your day to day things you use. You obviously have a computer, in which conditions were these components made? How many children did it take to assemble it? A person with your moral standards obviously has her own sheep to make wool and clothes and doesn't buy any of the cheap confection out there that's made through child labour in Indonesia or by the children of those same Bangladeshi workers you claim to protect.
Unfortunately we live in a global world where big companies exploit the inequaties to make money. There is absolutely nothing I can do about that. What I can do however is make sure that I earn enough money to employ a maid in very good conditions, tip the workers that come and do jobs that have already been paid for a decent amount of cash and above all treat everybody who I meet, blue collar or white collar, above or below my pay grade, with a lot of respect. In return I get genuine smiles.
I do want to thank you though for feeling so bitter and attacked when what I merely wanted to do is have a debate, one where people actually listen and think before they release the hounds in their reply. Your reply rate keeps this topic hot on pprune, and the more people read about this, the more people might actually sign Bluewaters petition. That way, those guys actually get the support they deserve. A genuine thank you for that.
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I've been enjoying you gents replying to Nikita. I put her on ignore a month or so ago. Imagine what it must feel like for her not getting the last word! All I get is "This user is on your Ignore List".
If you shout louder you don't get listened to, you just become background noise!
If you shout louder you don't get listened to, you just become background noise!
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@Dropp and @Sch
Grow up. It's time.
@MR8
You are the one not listening, but I will repeat one more time and then I am over and out: don't call your fight a fight for ideals. It's a fight for a local and relative justice.
You are not the only one who made sacrifices and they were your choices (I am not even sure why are you always mentioning that fact?).
You did know that local answer to exploitation is "at least we give them work"? It sounds similar to yours (I can employ maid and pay her fairly). But maids are not protected by any law in UAE. Some of them have luck, but most of them don't. You are maybe nice to your maid, but by employing her in lawless UAE you still contribute to sexual and any other abuse of maids in UAE (there is a documentary about that as well). Where do you think your maid is going to end up if you leave UAE?
I have no problems on more people signing your petition. On the contrary. Nevertheless, what makes me really amused is your constant insisting on my frustration, and I have never insulted you in our debate while you keep calling me a bitter person.
It speaks a lot about your set of mind.
Finally, I never told that I have a morale. I never claimed it and I never called people to sign a petition for my personal gain only and called it "an ideal". This is the difference between you and me.
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There is one more difference though: when I saw how much exactly everything is a bull****, I've decided to write about it. When you saw it, you decided to invest in it??
Grow up. It's time.
@MR8
You are the one not listening, but I will repeat one more time and then I am over and out: don't call your fight a fight for ideals. It's a fight for a local and relative justice.
You are not the only one who made sacrifices and they were your choices (I am not even sure why are you always mentioning that fact?).
You did know that local answer to exploitation is "at least we give them work"? It sounds similar to yours (I can employ maid and pay her fairly). But maids are not protected by any law in UAE. Some of them have luck, but most of them don't. You are maybe nice to your maid, but by employing her in lawless UAE you still contribute to sexual and any other abuse of maids in UAE (there is a documentary about that as well). Where do you think your maid is going to end up if you leave UAE?
I have no problems on more people signing your petition. On the contrary. Nevertheless, what makes me really amused is your constant insisting on my frustration, and I have never insulted you in our debate while you keep calling me a bitter person.
It speaks a lot about your set of mind.Finally, I never told that I have a morale. I never claimed it and I never called people to sign a petition for my personal gain only and called it "an ideal". This is the difference between you and me.
Edit:
There is one more difference though: when I saw how much exactly everything is a bull****, I've decided to write about it. When you saw it, you decided to invest in it??
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For F***S sake people....stop replying to Nikita. She is quite obviously impervious to viewpoints other than her own. Jesus freaking Christ, this is getting ridiculous.
Btw, how do I block a person?
Btw, how do I block a person?
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Aaw,how many cry babies eager to be treated well by their managers and to have maids and profit at the expense of others at the same time. I guess you are better than others and you deserve to be rich.
There is one catch though: karma is a bitch.
Just shut up and fight your fight without involving high rhetoric in it.
There is one catch though: karma is a bitch.
Just shut up and fight your fight without involving high rhetoric in it.
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Nikita,
"Do you really think that anyone who doesn't agree with some of the things you claim, is bitter, frustrated, angry, crazy or stupid?"
Well actually no, but since you volunteered to identify yourself as such....
I never asked you to agree. I actually asked you to go away.
"You should be learning from your experience, not accusing everyone around you for your wrong choice and your wrong decision."
Actually I haven't accused anyone. Comprehension is not your strong point.
"Personally, I like people who criticize me if they have no other motive to do that than to tell their side of the story."
I didn't criticise you, I just asked you to go away. Much like many of the other posters here. Again, comprehension is not your strong point.
"I don't like kiss-asses even if it is my ass they are kissing."
My lips aren't that big.
With that sort of criticism, you must love me.
"Do you really think that anyone who doesn't agree with some of the things you claim, is bitter, frustrated, angry, crazy or stupid?"
Well actually no, but since you volunteered to identify yourself as such....
I never asked you to agree. I actually asked you to go away.
"You should be learning from your experience, not accusing everyone around you for your wrong choice and your wrong decision."
Actually I haven't accused anyone. Comprehension is not your strong point.
"Personally, I like people who criticize me if they have no other motive to do that than to tell their side of the story."
I didn't criticise you, I just asked you to go away. Much like many of the other posters here. Again, comprehension is not your strong point.
"I don't like kiss-asses even if it is my ass they are kissing."
My lips aren't that big.
With that sort of criticism, you must love me.
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