Open Letter to GCAA
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Did you submit a fatigue report? I also make a point not to bid for the 3 man US flights but that only masks some of the issues. Reports are the only way to see change on these pairings.
Harry
Did you submit a fatigue report? I also make a point not to bid for the 3 man US flights but that only masks some of the issues. Reports are the only way to see change on these pairings.
Harry
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I totally agree, which is why we should play by the same rules. Bombard them with fatigue reports day after day after day! Put in Confidential reports, ASR's and even write direct to fleet and flight safety for clarification of rules. Notice how several recent ASR's have been referred to regulatory affairs. We'll never get feedback. That response is for auditing purposes to show that the concern is being addressed. One or two are easy to ignore, 40-50 less so. Sir TC reads the weekly ASR's so make them count!
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Factoring, as you quite rightly mention, is a system used for the attainment of a higher license, not as a duty bound tool.
The CARS state that a maximum of 900 block hours a year, so that applies whether you're augmenting or not!
Factoring, as you quite rightly mention, is a system used for the attainment of a higher license, not as a duty bound tool.
The CARS state that a maximum of 900 block hours a year, so that applies whether you're augmenting or not!
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The main problem with the Gulf airlines, is the foreigner element in management.
You get these daisies from around the world, intent in proving how cleverer they are than each other, and falling at the feet of the locals.
So, they end up screwing the lives for all and sundry, for their own advancement.
You get these daisies from around the world, intent in proving how cleverer they are than each other, and falling at the feet of the locals.
So, they end up screwing the lives for all and sundry, for their own advancement.
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Unfortunately nobody really cares to try change things at EK anymore, we are all beaten down by the numerous changes and too fatigued. Not to mention the petty stuff like four days off then a night turn b4 VAC.
This is no longer a career job and everyone I've flown with in the last 2 years has their eye on the door. As we all know the only vote here is with your feet.
Its a valiant gesture though, writing to the GCAA..
This is no longer a career job and everyone I've flown with in the last 2 years has their eye on the door. As we all know the only vote here is with your feet.
Its a valiant gesture though, writing to the GCAA..
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Please incude fatiguing rosters at FZ, especially for low seniority pilots that fly consecutive night flights. I am sure the GCAA will not be very happy to discover that some people, only fly 6-7 day flights per month and get 20+ days off per month, whilst others, the less privileged, barely have 8 or 9 days off per month, with ALL their flights being at night time. I witnessed someone that fell asleep prior to glideslope capture in Dubai, whilst at the same time I was struggling to keep my eyes open.
Please do that my friend. May be is the only way for the donkey workers at FZ to get decent and non fatiguing rosters and improve safety, and at the same time stop this ridiculous practice, that benefits the spoiled few.
Please do that my friend. May be is the only way for the donkey workers at FZ to get decent and non fatiguing rosters and improve safety, and at the same time stop this ridiculous practice, that benefits the spoiled few.
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Did you file an ASR about it ? Did you file any EFOS report ?
I see many guys complaining at FZ about things that ( I agree ) should be modified BUT none of them has filed a report.
So how do you expect to see changes if no report are being received by the company.
Did you use the ROSI or VORSY system ? There is even now a confidential reporting system concerning any safety issue , did you try it ?
And please don't come with the usual "we are not in a democracy here so I can not report it " I have heard that one for many years in every companies I have been working for , even in Europe.
There is always a good reason not to act BUT then don't complain...
There is not always somebody else to sort out your problems.
I see many guys complaining at FZ about things that ( I agree ) should be modified BUT none of them has filed a report.
So how do you expect to see changes if no report are being received by the company.
Did you use the ROSI or VORSY system ? There is even now a confidential reporting system concerning any safety issue , did you try it ?
And please don't come with the usual "we are not in a democracy here so I can not report it " I have heard that one for many years in every companies I have been working for , even in Europe.
There is always a good reason not to act BUT then don't complain...
There is not always somebody else to sort out your problems.
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Next time you feel tired please file an ASR, or a VORSY report. Then they will know who tries to fight with rostering and management and their implementations that are constructed to benefit the elite few. And then your life becomes miserable. There are examples of people that had their visas taken away or failed command line check for stupid reasons. So please spare me of that paternal tone on your writings, it makes me laugh. To make sure though your privileges are not threatened, you can use that tone on a new recruit or a wannabe pilot, it will definitely scare them off.
Next time you feel tired please file an ASR, or a VORSY report. Then they will know who tries to fight with rostering and management and their implementations that are constructed to benefit the elite few. And then your life becomes miserable. There are examples of people that had their visas taken away or failed command line check for stupid reasons. So please spare me of that paternal tone on your writings, it makes me laugh. To make sure though your privileges are not threatened, you can use that tone on a new recruit or a wannabe pilot, it will definitely scare them off.
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Perhaps if you all filed reports when you're tired, they might have difficulty 'singling' out individuals. That's what dubaigong's recommending.
Man up sunshine, these are peoples lives you're dealing with. If you haven't got the basic common sense to file an ASR when one's required, get a job in the galley brewing coffee.
Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean everyone's out to get you.
Harry
Perhaps if you all filed reports when you're tired, they might have difficulty 'singling' out individuals. That's what dubaigong's recommending.
Man up sunshine, these are peoples lives you're dealing with. If you haven't got the basic common sense to file an ASR when one's required, get a job in the galley brewing coffee.
Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean everyone's out to get you.
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When you have fatigue, imbalanced rostering, or, favouritism in an operation, its called mismanagement.
The same people who call for others to file reports, are generally the cowards who don't. Or who are in a position to be unaffected by the circumstances.
You are damned right not to send in reports if it may mean that you may be singled out for repercussion. There are lots of jobs around nowadays for experienced drivers. Its the level of pain you are willing to endure in this part of the world.
The same people who call for others to file reports, are generally the cowards who don't. Or who are in a position to be unaffected by the circumstances.
You are damned right not to send in reports if it may mean that you may be singled out for repercussion. There are lots of jobs around nowadays for experienced drivers. Its the level of pain you are willing to endure in this part of the world.
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Favoritism was when people would buy rosters from the boys in the rostering department. Those who refused to participate in the bidding were given worse roster than what the "poor" junior guys are getting now. Following strict seniority in awarding flights per a pilots bid request is not showing favoritism, but actually following a transparent protocol. If you don't like what your seniority holds, please quit and join another airline. Oh wait, I imagine that would not improve your seniority either 
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Before you talk , make sure you know what you are talking about.
First , I am not protecting my privileges as I don't have any , in the last 2 months I didn't get ANY of my requested flights.
If you don't believe me we can PM each other exchange real names and meet at FZ if you want.
Second , Harry the cod has understood what I was trying to say.
Third , about the pilots who have failed the command upgrade for stupid reasons , I will be clear about that one.
You are most probably making this comment based on what the guy who has failed told you BUT for at least 2 cases I know the exact details and reasons why these 2 guys failed and it was the right decision in both cases.
You seem to forget that this is not a computer game , when these guys are released on the left seat the instructor must be sure that he will put his family on the plane with this pilot in the front...
Most of our line check are done to easy destination like DOH , BAH , DMM , KWI etc...
But next day this guy will be sent to Kabul , Sanaa Addis Ababa etc... with some very low experience first officer coming from the ATR or the Q400.
Before releasing a command upgrade it is better to think twice there is not reset button like in the simulator.
Before you talk , make sure you know what you are talking about.
First , I am not protecting my privileges as I don't have any , in the last 2 months I didn't get ANY of my requested flights.
If you don't believe me we can PM each other exchange real names and meet at FZ if you want.
Second , Harry the cod has understood what I was trying to say.
Third , about the pilots who have failed the command upgrade for stupid reasons , I will be clear about that one.
You are most probably making this comment based on what the guy who has failed told you BUT for at least 2 cases I know the exact details and reasons why these 2 guys failed and it was the right decision in both cases.
You seem to forget that this is not a computer game , when these guys are released on the left seat the instructor must be sure that he will put his family on the plane with this pilot in the front...
Most of our line check are done to easy destination like DOH , BAH , DMM , KWI etc...
But next day this guy will be sent to Kabul , Sanaa Addis Ababa etc... with some very low experience first officer coming from the ATR or the Q400.
Before releasing a command upgrade it is better to think twice there is not reset button like in the simulator.
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I know a little about the culture within FZ as I've several friends working there. Both are Captains, one male, one female. One from the UK, the other US. At no time have either of them stated that they'd not file an ASR over an actual or potential safety event. One has previously submitted a report regarding a series of night turns.
When I read a post such as rdr's, it smacks of management trolls putting the fear of god into those reading these threads. I'm not saying you should be writing up every flight but you have a professional and moral obligation to submit such reports when appropriate, regardless of what part of the World you work in or what part of the World you come from. I suspect that those not reporting are likely to have cultural biases against confronting hierarchy. They are also more likely to come from backgrounds where this job is as good as it's going to get.
If there are lots of jobs around as you state, rdr, what have you got to lose, other than you own life and that of 170 others perhaps? Remember Air India Express 812 into Mangalore?
Harry
When I read a post such as rdr's, it smacks of management trolls putting the fear of god into those reading these threads. I'm not saying you should be writing up every flight but you have a professional and moral obligation to submit such reports when appropriate, regardless of what part of the World you work in or what part of the World you come from. I suspect that those not reporting are likely to have cultural biases against confronting hierarchy. They are also more likely to come from backgrounds where this job is as good as it's going to get.
If there are lots of jobs around as you state, rdr, what have you got to lose, other than you own life and that of 170 others perhaps? Remember Air India Express 812 into Mangalore?
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Spot on Harry , could not have said it better
I am one of those who has made report about it and even went to speak directly with the top management and I have not been deported neither had my visa revoked as suggested by some people.
The point is that you have to do it properly , based on fact and not feelings and stay professional when you do it.
The biggest problem is this jealousy feeling all the time between the so called privileged and the others , the A , B , C , D pay scales , the British against the American or against the Brazilian etc...
Those are just pretexts for some to show their frustration of their inability to act as adult to sort out their problems.
I am one of those who has made report about it and even went to speak directly with the top management and I have not been deported neither had my visa revoked as suggested by some people.
The point is that you have to do it properly , based on fact and not feelings and stay professional when you do it.
The biggest problem is this jealousy feeling all the time between the so called privileged and the others , the A , B , C , D pay scales , the British against the American or against the Brazilian etc...
Those are just pretexts for some to show their frustration of their inability to act as adult to sort out their problems.
