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Again the US like any country will look after the interests of themselves first. Australia doesnt go out and work for thailands behalf. Humans whether in government or in general will work first for there own behaves and if it's not too inconvenient or doesnt affect there life's too much will then tackle others problems. Human nature is human nature doesn't matter where your from that's the way it is and will be.
Should I post the kangaroo deaths on Australian roads to show why aussies beat up Indians?
What always amused me about Dubai was how you have a long-running Ozzie/Brit/Kiwi expat community who think they own the joint because it used to be claimed by the Brits (along with everything else between Burma and the Med).
To hear any of these same UAE-living expats lambasting U.S. foreign policy or shedding crocodile tears over this unfortunate fisherman while they're busy living and working (and thereby supporting) a city that was built on the dead bodies of and maintained-by the right-less, quasi-slave, labor force of Indians, Bangladeshis, and Pakistanis that make their lives there possible is the height of hypocricy.
I guess in between bragging to their friends back home about how little they have to pay Philipino housekeepers and the stopovers in Thailand where the girls are cheap, this is where they become blog-educated "experts" on the evils of America and why it shouldn't be out in the world.
Meanwhile of course, we're stealing their women back home because we do what they aren't used to, like holding a door open for them and not making them buy their own dinner.
To hear any of these same UAE-living expats lambasting U.S. foreign policy or shedding crocodile tears over this unfortunate fisherman while they're busy living and working (and thereby supporting) a city that was built on the dead bodies of and maintained-by the right-less, quasi-slave, labor force of Indians, Bangladeshis, and Pakistanis that make their lives there possible is the height of hypocricy.
I guess in between bragging to their friends back home about how little they have to pay Philipino housekeepers and the stopovers in Thailand where the girls are cheap, this is where they become blog-educated "experts" on the evils of America and why it shouldn't be out in the world.
Meanwhile of course, we're stealing their women back home because we do what they aren't used to, like holding a door open for them and not making them buy their own dinner.
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Do you have something personal against the Emiratis, the Indians or anybody else? If not then why the insults and the stereo-typing? In case it is really possible for you to generalize about large population sets, then maybe you are on the cusp of a break-through in the field of cultural anthropology. Congratulations!!! 
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Incomprehensible!
How about Dubai Police Chief and the justice system in this lovely paradise...
If you're parked at the red light and a local hits you (expat) from behind, I'll give you two guesses whose fault it's automatically gonna be, and it ain't gonna be the boy's in white dish-dash.
Justice system in Dubai? How about the IKEA case? 1 month for damn near killing two expats over a damn table? Let's say the situations were reversed and it was Canadians beating up a pregnant Emirati woman and her husband? Shall we say... 20 years minimum? Firing squad? Nothing would surprise me.
This Police Chief goes and interviews the survivors and solely based on a shot-up boat, one dead guy and the local testimony, he is CONVINCED they are right.
If you're parked at the red light and a local hits you (expat) from behind, I'll give you two guesses whose fault it's automatically gonna be, and it ain't gonna be the boy's in white dish-dash.
Justice system in Dubai? How about the IKEA case? 1 month for damn near killing two expats over a damn table? Let's say the situations were reversed and it was Canadians beating up a pregnant Emirati woman and her husband? Shall we say... 20 years minimum? Firing squad? Nothing would surprise me.
This Police Chief goes and interviews the survivors and solely based on a shot-up boat, one dead guy and the local testimony, he is CONVINCED they are right.
The USN has no right to attack any vessel approaching it in International waters unless it poses a threat to the safety of their ship. This was not the case. It's rarely the case with the USN. Remember the fabricated story about the 'Gulf of Tonkin' attack on a USN vessel? Well... it was the excuse to start the Vietnam War which by the way is still causing death, disease and harm to the vietnamese people 50 years later. The attack never happened if you are unaware of that fact.
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Looks like this incident is gonna bring about some mighty big fireworks in this ME forum. Let me lighten this up in response to totem's post wrt to the fight for LIBERTY in Vietnam.
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Us yanks stand for freedom and liberty in 'Nam, Korea and the sandpit. We have sacrifice countless lives in our mission.
This is an excerpt from a post by a young Chinese pilot in an earlier PPRuNe thread somewhere else:
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" Ha ha ha...that reminds me of my uncle's story about an American phantom jockey who knocked up a Vietnamese girl during the 60's and told the crying girl " in 9 months' time you will give birth to a lovely baby girl...name her LIBERTY in memory of this wonderful night. God bless America! The poor girl retorted in her halting English " in a few weeks you you you willll willll will have sprouted some some some home home home grown cauliflowers on your frrrront frrront front inch...call it Vietnam Rose. Viva le Vietnam and Uncle Ho! "
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Looks like this incident is gonna bring about some mighty big fireworks in this ME forum. Let me lighten this up in response to totem's post wrt to the fight for LIBERTY in Vietnam.
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Us yanks stand for freedom and liberty in 'Nam, Korea and the sandpit. We have sacrifice countless lives in our mission.
This is an excerpt from a post by a young Chinese pilot in an earlier PPRuNe thread somewhere else:
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" Ha ha ha...that reminds me of my uncle's story about an American phantom jockey who knocked up a Vietnamese girl during the 60's and told the crying girl " in 9 months' time you will give birth to a lovely baby girl...name her LIBERTY in memory of this wonderful night. God bless America! The poor girl retorted in her halting English " in a few weeks you you you willll willll will have sprouted some some some home home home grown cauliflowers on your frrrront frrront front inch...call it Vietnam Rose. Viva le Vietnam and Uncle Ho! "
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Not a thing, and I'm not insulting them either... I just call spade a spade. Once you come to understand the mentality here in the region and accept the fact that this is simply how they are, you adjust your expectations and go from there.
How do you prove someone is innocent if they're ignoring warnings, they're charging full speed at you, and you have 2 minutes to prove them innocent? 2 words my man - USS Cole. May it never happen again...
I hope that sailor that opened fire gets a medal and a pat on the back. Yes, he's gonna feel like sh*t for gunning down a NOW-PROVEN innocent, but at that point, how could he have known? He's done his job. Or wait... are you saying that suicide bombings never occur in these parts of the world or that the pattern exhibited by that boat didn't resemble that of a suicide bomber?
To put it in context, how many times have you had some maniac on SZR approach you within inches of your bumper flashing lights at you while you're driving 120-130 or even 140. See, that's the same mentality that ended up catching the receiving end of a .50 cal.
But just curious, why don't you tell me how you would have handled this if no matter what you tried to do, you're getting no response... how could you have gotten a guarantee that this boat wouldn't go BANGGG once alongside the Rappahannock?
Are you serious?!? Axis of Evil?!?! How many times you got dropped on your head as a baby?! 
Oh, and I love your conclusion about 'glorification of death.' It's a matter of perspective really... whose death? I don't want to see a single American die just to be politically correct in his/her actions. We lost plenty of young men and women to politically correct actions... it's tough luck that thanks to those who indeed glorify death i.e. suicide bombers and terrorists an innocent person was killed. But let's face the reality - stupidity kills. Stupidity has always killed and always will kill. I just hope there are lessons learned here.
Do you have something personal against the Emiratis, the Indians or anybody else? If not then why the insults and the stereo-typing? In case it is really possible for you to generalize about large population sets, then maybe you are on the cusp of a break-through in the field of cultural anthropology. Congratulations!!!
So just because there was an attack on a US vessel, innocent people are to be killed on mere suspicion to prevent a recurrence?
I hope that sailor that opened fire gets a medal and a pat on the back. Yes, he's gonna feel like sh*t for gunning down a NOW-PROVEN innocent, but at that point, how could he have known? He's done his job. Or wait... are you saying that suicide bombings never occur in these parts of the world or that the pattern exhibited by that boat didn't resemble that of a suicide bomber?
To put it in context, how many times have you had some maniac on SZR approach you within inches of your bumper flashing lights at you while you're driving 120-130 or even 140. See, that's the same mentality that ended up catching the receiving end of a .50 cal.
But just curious, why don't you tell me how you would have handled this if no matter what you tried to do, you're getting no response... how could you have gotten a guarantee that this boat wouldn't go BANGGG once alongside the Rappahannock?
Because then UAE would be added to the list of the "Axis of Evil" and the arm twisting would start.
Oh, and I love your conclusion about 'glorification of death.' It's a matter of perspective really... whose death? I don't want to see a single American die just to be politically correct in his/her actions. We lost plenty of young men and women to politically correct actions... it's tough luck that thanks to those who indeed glorify death i.e. suicide bombers and terrorists an innocent person was killed. But let's face the reality - stupidity kills. Stupidity has always killed and always will kill. I just hope there are lessons learned here.
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Not a thing, and I'm not insulting them either... I just call spade a spade. Once you come to understand the mentality here in the region and accept the fact that this is simply how they are, you adjust your expectations and go from there.
I hope that sailor that opened fire gets a medal and a pat on the back.
A...hooooooooik!
Are you serious?!? Axis of Evil?!?! How many times you got dropped on your head as a baby?!
Oh, and I love your conclusion about 'glorification of death.' It's a matter of perspective really... whose death? I don't want to see a single American die just to be politically correct in his/her actions. We lost plenty of young men and women to politically correct actions...
it's tough luck that thanks to those who indeed glorify death i.e. suicide bombers and terrorists an innocent person was killed.
You said that terrorists glorify death. Are you calling the people at Hollywood, the US military and American ............... terrorists? Just asking cuz i am unable to figure that out after i was dropped on my head this morning.
Now that i am feeling a little better, i was thinking:
President Bush named three countries among the axis of evil, Iraq, Iran and North Korea. He chose to go after Iraq cuz, lets face it, Saddam was packing lots of WMDs(Wholesome Mineral Deposits). Had he gone after the country that was actually building nukes i.e. North Korea, their "allies" in South Korea and Japan would not be living under a heightened nuclear threat today. All in the name of Freedom, Equality and Justice. God Bless America!
But just curious, why don't you tell me how you would have handled this if no matter what you tried to do, you're getting no response... how could you have gotten a guarantee that this boat wouldn't go BANGGG once alongside the Rappahannock?
Anyways, i am going to answer that with a question.
How could you have gotten a guarantee that this boat would go BANGGG once alongside the Rappahannock?
And how come the whole world is required to provide "guarantees" to the US? A country which has the most powerful military at its disposal.
Off course the men on Rappahannock deserved a chance too. Why can't a judgement be made on the most probable point(s) of impact(if there will be one) and the crew be asked to vacate that part(s) of the boat?
American lives are no more precious than the lives of others but yes they are most definitely just as precious.
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H2,
Please enlighten me on what your country policies are doing to help the poor of the world and even better, what you yourself are doing to help the poor of the world. And before you answer I know you will make about 99 percent of what you do up.
Don't try and pretend you or your country makes everything better for the world. Believe me if your politicians had Americas power they would be doing the same s($).. Basic human nature, power equalls corruption..
Please enlighten me on what your country policies are doing to help the poor of the world and even better, what you yourself are doing to help the poor of the world. And before you answer I know you will make about 99 percent of what you do up.
Don't try and pretend you or your country makes everything better for the world. Believe me if your politicians had Americas power they would be doing the same s($
).. Basic human nature, power equalls corruption..
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Yep H2, since you clearly cannot understand simple concepts such as Force Protection, acknowledge local ways of thinking they are above the law/regulations (propagated by tons of events that generally leave ordinary western people scratching their heads), precedent of suicide bombings, etc. it's really pointless to keep discussing anything further with you.
It's unfortunate that innocent lives were lost, though the people on that boat were acting reckless and stupid. Had they followed normal protocols and aimed to pass behind a gray ship, nothing would have happened.
To answer your final question, if there was no way to positively confirm that the boat wouldn't have gone BANGGG alongside the Rappahannock because they were unresponsive and continued charging at the ship, the security detail was correct in opening fire.
Being a Monday-morning quarterback is the easiest job in the world... particularly since you are so anti-American in every aspect.
So I'll go ahead and let you have the final word. Tell us all about how bad America is, how we are horrible people celebrating death and how our world dominance is making you feel inadequate and irrelevant...
Have a wonderful day... and don't play chicken with other cars on SZR, or with big gray ships off of Jebel Ali.
It's unfortunate that innocent lives were lost, though the people on that boat were acting reckless and stupid. Had they followed normal protocols and aimed to pass behind a gray ship, nothing would have happened.
To answer your final question, if there was no way to positively confirm that the boat wouldn't have gone BANGGG alongside the Rappahannock because they were unresponsive and continued charging at the ship, the security detail was correct in opening fire.
Being a Monday-morning quarterback is the easiest job in the world... particularly since you are so anti-American in every aspect.
So I'll go ahead and let you have the final word. Tell us all about how bad America is, how we are horrible people celebrating death and how our world dominance is making you feel inadequate and irrelevant...
Have a wonderful day... and don't play chicken with other cars on SZR, or with big gray ships off of Jebel Ali.
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A middle easterner lecturing the world on how the world should be. If the world was like the middle east it would be a very sad place and probably a place not worth living in. Hence all the suicide bombers but they get 72 virgins for the acts.
Quick question if a female commits jihad does she get 72 big hard studs?
Quick question if a female commits jihad does she get 72 big hard studs?
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A lot of people don't realize that the City of Chicago, has some of the most strict gun laws in the world.
For example, gun possession is permitted only inside a dwelling, not in a garage or on the outside grounds of the property. Only one gun at a time may be kept in a usable state.
However, the gun-controlled Windy City is on a pace to have 450 murders this year, an Aurora every 10 days.
and 98% of those are "black on black" crime.
More laws aren't the issue......ex380 and others, sometimes you sound like you have a bit of Afrikaans dialect. If you are in fact you should understand where a lot of America's problems come from.....
For example, gun possession is permitted only inside a dwelling, not in a garage or on the outside grounds of the property. Only one gun at a time may be kept in a usable state.
However, the gun-controlled Windy City is on a pace to have 450 murders this year, an Aurora every 10 days.
and 98% of those are "black on black" crime.
More laws aren't the issue......ex380 and others, sometimes you sound like you have a bit of Afrikaans dialect. If you are in fact you should understand where a lot of America's problems come from.....
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and if you criticize other countries, don't be a pussy and be vague about your own homeland. A debate is kind of pointless if you don't know who you are debating. I would respect someone's opinion if they don't hide behind a curtain. I may not agree, but at least I will respect you.
H2S04, ex380, donpizmeov, sittingidly, vfenext where you from? Tell us so we can compare our countries' foreign policies in a fair debate.
Americans are dicks. And H2S04, donpizmoev are pussies. And ex380 is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get f***** by dicks. But dicks also f*** assholes: assholes that just want to **** on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can f*** an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they f*** too much or f*** when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of **** that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us f*** this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in ****!
H2S04, ex380, donpizmeov, sittingidly, vfenext where you from? Tell us so we can compare our countries' foreign policies in a fair debate.
Americans are dicks. And H2S04, donpizmoev are pussies. And ex380 is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get f***** by dicks. But dicks also f*** assholes: assholes that just want to **** on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can f*** an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they f*** too much or f*** when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of **** that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us f*** this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in ****!
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pilotday-- I agree with the Navy's reaction.
But about gun laws. The reason there are so many murders in the US (a nice fact---there will 45,000 gun related deaths in the US over the next 4 years--more than all the American deaths in the Vietnam war) is because guns are AVAILABLE!!!
Yes, people can claim that 'see, we have gun control laws but there are still murders' but the fact is that the 'bad' guys are not likely to care too much about the laws.
Pick any European country, Australia, Canada - no where near the gun deaths simply because the guns are not readily available. I'm Canadian and we, likely, have the closest similarities to American, yet there is no where near the number of gun deaths (on a per capita basis) as the US. We can still buy guns though buying hand guns is made more difficult, requiring extensive checks and buying assault rifles, while possible, is even more difficult (and I think should be banned).
I don't think we (or the Europeans) have less 'bad guys' (see Norway) but the simple availability of weapons is not there. I can't walk in to a store and walk out with a gun. Even the US background checks, where and when required are a joke.
In short, you throw a lot of guns out and people will use them.
Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you are on I believe your founding fathers are rolling in their graves at the fact that the country they created and the Constitution they wrote has been twisted to the point were over 10,000 people die a year at the hands of guns.
But about gun laws. The reason there are so many murders in the US (a nice fact---there will 45,000 gun related deaths in the US over the next 4 years--more than all the American deaths in the Vietnam war) is because guns are AVAILABLE!!!
Yes, people can claim that 'see, we have gun control laws but there are still murders' but the fact is that the 'bad' guys are not likely to care too much about the laws.
Pick any European country, Australia, Canada - no where near the gun deaths simply because the guns are not readily available. I'm Canadian and we, likely, have the closest similarities to American, yet there is no where near the number of gun deaths (on a per capita basis) as the US. We can still buy guns though buying hand guns is made more difficult, requiring extensive checks and buying assault rifles, while possible, is even more difficult (and I think should be banned).
I don't think we (or the Europeans) have less 'bad guys' (see Norway) but the simple availability of weapons is not there. I can't walk in to a store and walk out with a gun. Even the US background checks, where and when required are a joke.
In short, you throw a lot of guns out and people will use them.
Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you are on I believe your founding fathers are rolling in their graves at the fact that the country they created and the Constitution they wrote has been twisted to the point were over 10,000 people die a year at the hands of guns.
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Jehovah!!! A classic reply the Don..
This post needed a bit of humor!
Wonder how many pruners can place that Jehovah movie scene you refer to?
This post needed a bit of humor!
Wonder how many pruners can place that Jehovah movie scene you refer to?
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