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Over 100 Cvs from Qatar to Etihad
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Over 100 Cvs was sent to Etihad from Qatar with love in 10 day from the 320 fleet!! Why is that??
The guys on the 320 are having the time of the life! I don't get it
Over 100 Cvs was sent to Etihad from Qatar with love in 10 day from the 320 fleet!! Why is that??
The guys on the 320 are having the time of the life! I don't get it
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Why that..?
-Look the difference in term of Salary..for the long term: huge!
(lets not forget that unlike the Cheap Qatar Airways ,in EY the Annual increase is NOT limited in time...!)So just imagine the difference after a long term career!
-look the difference in term of School Allowance!
-AUh is probably a better place to live compared to Doha.
-Consideration wise, don't think EY is worse than QR.
So if you are a young pilot with family&kids looking for a long term career in the gulf, you really have nothing to loose by moving from QR to EY....
-Look the difference in term of Salary..for the long term: huge!
(lets not forget that unlike the Cheap Qatar Airways ,in EY the Annual increase is NOT limited in time...!)So just imagine the difference after a long term career!
-look the difference in term of School Allowance!
-AUh is probably a better place to live compared to Doha.
-Consideration wise, don't think EY is worse than QR.
So if you are a young pilot with family&kids looking for a long term career in the gulf, you really have nothing to loose by moving from QR to EY....
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I wouldnt say the difference is huge.. look at the figures.
Flight pay is twice that at EY.
Loc.... you seriously dont stop moaning. Im sure im probably one of the very few people who hasnt chosen to ignore you.
Go on.. say something nice about Qatar........ I dare you!
Flight pay is twice that at EY.
Loc.... you seriously dont stop moaning. Im sure im probably one of the very few people who hasnt chosen to ignore you.
Go on.. say something nice about Qatar........ I dare you!
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Guys it went up over 200. WOW and the recruitment in Etihad said they'll proses every one of them and who ever is qualified will be taken. 
This is a Serious issue but why this amout of Pilot in the 320want to leave Q A for a much worst environment in the EY (320) I mean??
This is a Serious issue but why this amout of Pilot in the 320want to leave Q A for a much worst environment in the EY (320) I mean??
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I agree with you 100% about lock22550.
To start with ,look at his nikname he is locked in the mail box of Qatar airways and forever.Do you know why?Because two and a half year ago he was saying that he booked his position with Etihad,Yet he's stil here.He failed his interview.And I dare him if he steps one foot outside QA he will be jobless the rest of his life.
So he must very thankfull for Qatar Airways for giving his job and a salary to feed his family,Instead he is complaining for more than 6 years and over 950 posts on this fourm 90%of it complaining and advising not to join QA.
This guy so miserable here, My advice to loc2250, get over it.
Good bless him
To start with ,look at his nikname he is locked in the mail box of Qatar airways and forever.Do you know why?Because two and a half year ago he was saying that he booked his position with Etihad,Yet he's stil here.He failed his interview.And I dare him if he steps one foot outside QA he will be jobless the rest of his life.
So he must very thankfull for Qatar Airways for giving his job and a salary to feed his family,Instead he is complaining for more than 6 years and over 950 posts on this fourm 90%of it complaining and advising not to join QA.
This guy so miserable here, My advice to loc2250, get over it.
Good bless him
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But At least i'm not inventing B.S. story like you Ramyins: since when did i fail EY interview..!?Ridiculous.No further comment..
SMD45: Apparently you haven't done that much maths in your live...
(look at the Big picture!).Useless to argue.
Are we still allowed to come here to discuss and raise true fact without being treat immediatly of miserable and grouser by people who actually barely come here to give any positive and useful input.
SMD45: Apparently you haven't done that much maths in your live...
(look at the Big picture!).Useless to argue.
Are we still allowed to come here to discuss and raise true fact without being treat immediatly of miserable and grouser by people who actually barely come here to give any positive and useful input.
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Time to shut up or move on!
Well I have read your posts and I agree with most of them, however I would like to remind you all why we are here:
Well in 2008 the **** hit the fan, recruitment stopped in most places and airlines went to the wall. A large number of you in Europe found yourselves with a P45 and no income with debts to pay off etc. I was one of them and took the first option of flying to the ME for a better life. I must admit I only could see the positives about working for QR and did not do my home work. What I was blind to was the way of life here with spys reporting to AAB, and I expect giving him other
as well ! working in the tower I soon learned to shut my mouth and take the pay.
Pilots however want to take the pay and rant off, well if you cant stand the heat get out, I am not defending AAB but he has grown the airline from nothing to a world class business, he works all hours and micro manages everything. All I will say is that the only way to change things in QR is to change AAB and god knows many have tried and failed. AAB is fed lies by those who we threaten, or whom we appear to threaten. AAB must let go of some of his control one day and when NDIA opens I feel this will be the first step.
My advice is to take the cash, when another job comes along then take it, when the glorious day comes and QR is realy short of staff then they might want to take notice of us who were there.
Well in 2008 the **** hit the fan, recruitment stopped in most places and airlines went to the wall. A large number of you in Europe found yourselves with a P45 and no income with debts to pay off etc. I was one of them and took the first option of flying to the ME for a better life. I must admit I only could see the positives about working for QR and did not do my home work. What I was blind to was the way of life here with spys reporting to AAB, and I expect giving him other
as well ! working in the tower I soon learned to shut my mouth and take the pay. Pilots however want to take the pay and rant off, well if you cant stand the heat get out, I am not defending AAB but he has grown the airline from nothing to a world class business, he works all hours and micro manages everything. All I will say is that the only way to change things in QR is to change AAB and god knows many have tried and failed. AAB is fed lies by those who we threaten, or whom we appear to threaten. AAB must let go of some of his control one day and when NDIA opens I feel this will be the first step.
My advice is to take the cash, when another job comes along then take it, when the glorious day comes and QR is realy short of staff then they might want to take notice of us who were there.
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AAB working ?
O do not get it wrong AAB work all day but there is an company from UK which make all the major changes in QR policy about economy and rutes ...
Do you think that AAB with his kind'a wierd brain can do all the smart moves ?
What he do at 7 in the morning he get print out of PPRUNE evey day then he call AJ and bitch about pilots and who did what on flight or who say what to some of AAB cabin crew spy and tell him how pilot sare just drivers and they do not deserve Evian water or food in china ...
Then he spend most of the time on cabin crew issues , do not forget that cabin crew if they want to move to other acommodation or get married or start using different make up they need CEO approval and you can just imagine how many request of that type he has on 4500 c crew.
Then he has every day problems with cabin crew and pilots who did what and who is suspended that day for funny reasons so he terminates them demote them .
At some time he will walk around classes and check on crew and pick up which one is attractive to him and try to get her on promotion flights or he will organise the dinner at 4 seasons for them.
At afternun he walks around techinical building and check which crew has dirty hat or uniform is to tight or to lose and remove them from flights .
During day he will phone AJ few times most of time bitching about pilots or organize how to screw someones life .
In the evning Friday he is there walking around Airport trying to scare people with his wired way of looking and talking to crew .
Ones in months he will travel to SIN this is his second home . He has all fixed there .
During all this he will sms to crew and try to get them . Usually a small chubby girls thats his type . Good i know few who lost weight just to get out of his sight ha ha .
YES AAB is busy man but most of it is nothing at all .
Do you think that AAB with his kind'a wierd brain can do all the smart moves ?
What he do at 7 in the morning he get print out of PPRUNE evey day then he call AJ and bitch about pilots and who did what on flight or who say what to some of AAB cabin crew spy and tell him how pilot sare just drivers and they do not deserve Evian water or food in china ...
Then he spend most of the time on cabin crew issues , do not forget that cabin crew if they want to move to other acommodation or get married or start using different make up they need CEO approval and you can just imagine how many request of that type he has on 4500 c crew.
Then he has every day problems with cabin crew and pilots who did what and who is suspended that day for funny reasons so he terminates them demote them .
At some time he will walk around classes and check on crew and pick up which one is attractive to him and try to get her on promotion flights or he will organise the dinner at 4 seasons for them.
At afternun he walks around techinical building and check which crew has dirty hat or uniform is to tight or to lose and remove them from flights .
During day he will phone AJ few times most of time bitching about pilots or organize how to screw someones life .
In the evning Friday he is there walking around Airport trying to scare people with his wired way of looking and talking to crew .
Ones in months he will travel to SIN this is his second home . He has all fixed there .
During all this he will sms to crew and try to get them . Usually a small chubby girls thats his type . Good i know few who lost weight just to get out of his sight ha ha .
YES AAB is busy man but most of it is nothing at all .
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come on guys - do we have to fight each other in this forum - are we all member of the big qr kinder garden?
maybe we should invent a reporting system to the talk master - ridiculous.
some like it in doh some not and everybody has the right to say what he wants.
for those, who loves it here, tell us your opinion and do not attack others.
for those, who hates it here, stick to the truth.
thats it!!!!!!!
for me its is not the best place to be - never, and i have to say it again, never i saw such a mismanagement and corruption like in this airline. the whole system is f..... up, everybody knows from which people, and instead of making it better, they make it worse and more complicated.
i wonna have the money, they waste every day or better, they waste in the whole country - tks i can retire.
homebase or commuting? guys, what you were drinking or smoking?
doh itself? well, as am quite often in dxb due to family reasons, i can say, you cannot compare it, doha is at least 10 years behind.
anyway, i am not wondering, why so many people applied somewhere else.
good luck to all
maybe we should invent a reporting system to the talk master - ridiculous.
some like it in doh some not and everybody has the right to say what he wants.
for those, who loves it here, tell us your opinion and do not attack others.
for those, who hates it here, stick to the truth.
thats it!!!!!!!
for me its is not the best place to be - never, and i have to say it again, never i saw such a mismanagement and corruption like in this airline. the whole system is f..... up, everybody knows from which people, and instead of making it better, they make it worse and more complicated.
i wonna have the money, they waste every day or better, they waste in the whole country - tks i can retire.
homebase or commuting? guys, what you were drinking or smoking?
doh itself? well, as am quite often in dxb due to family reasons, i can say, you cannot compare it, doha is at least 10 years behind.
anyway, i am not wondering, why so many people applied somewhere else.
good luck to all
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Laughter Factory Update
It seems that there is much turbulence along the Laughter Factory corridor of power in QR Flt Ops. Getting to the facts seems to be tricky but it looks as if CPF (HAA) has been fired – couldn’t happen to a nicer chap. The bloke is a congenital idiot and a compulsive liar. You don’t have to look too far into his background to realise that this guy is hooked on titles and self-aggrandisement. On his CV he claims to have a PHD degree in marine biology from Mannin University in the UK. Well guess what, there is no Mannin University in the UK or anywhere else it would seem. Do a google search and you will come up with a number of hits that show him masquerading as ‘Dr’ – hilarious! Dr Death would be more appropriate. Why did he get fired? – was it because of his incompetence as CPF and inter alia being master of all Boeing BS. Did he cop the blame for the spike in B777 hard landings? Does his very friendly relationship with the other (witch) ‘Dr’ have anything to do with his demise? Doubtless to two of them are suffering from increased fatigue from their nocturnal activities. Either way we are all much better off with this creep no longer in the office.
It seems that there is much mystery surrounding ‘Black Magic’ at the moment. Has he been fired or did he resign? Has his woefully incompetent tenure as CP fatbus finally caught up with him, or more likely did his utterly corrupt and anti-western ways finally become intolerable? Only time will tell but let’s hope that this weirdo is no longer in a position to screw up our lives, our rosters and please, please, could he leave Al Jabor compound and give our children a chance to play without fear of being run over.
It looks very like the CPT is certainly in the lead to take the fall for the B777 hard landing ‘scandal’. After a year or so in post this clown has nothing whatsoever to show for his tenure other than a complete lack of strategy, leadership and technical advancement. The promised uplift in training standardisation has also been a complete failure and the rogue trainers are still at large on all fleets doing their worst. But why should this have improved? The incumbent has no knowledge, experience and certainly no gravitas to pull off the role of CPT. No wonder the CEO has lost patience.
Whilst on the subject of ‘standards’ what has the so called SM safety and standards supremo achieved over the last year. This ‘character’ is another out and out snake and it is in your best interests to never fall out with him. He is the overseer of the safety programme of which the flight data monitoring system is an integral part. In an advanced safety culture such a system is for safety advancement purposes only, but in QR it is primarily for punishment purposes. Your anonymity is anything but secure and no end of crews are ‘shopped’ to the fleet with certain punishment to follow. About a year ago after another farcical CEO sponsored reform by Capt J Misfit this oaf was given the brief for ‘standards’. What a joke, he doesn’t even fly. Alas he is one of the protected brethren owing to his value to the CEO as an informant. Even the EVPO gets regular reamings from above based on misinformation fed to floor 9 from this oleaginous slime-ball. Be very careful.
Apparently further upheaval in the recruitment department follows the departure of baby-faced RN and now the departure of his successor PR. It seems that the brief for pilot recruitment in QR is a total poison chalice. Firstly no one in their right mind wants to join. Many pilots that are successfully selected are no-show for the course as they get a better offer (not hard). The problem for any prospective CP Rec is the politicisation of the role. You not only have to contend with extraordinary incompetence from HR via Mr ‘Useless’ B but also the poison dwarf (WA). ‘She’ is a keen CEO informant and woe betide you if she takes against you as RNs predecessor can attest. Total incompetence is a minor issue if, as in her case she ‘puts out’ for the CEO in a way that makes him smile.
On the face of it a clear out of the key buffoons from the Laughter Factory is to be celebrated. However for most of us this is just another sad turn of the wheel in a perpetual cycle. The clowns that have been fired will be replaced by more clowns. The old clowns will become (or revert to being) informants passing misinformation to floor 9. The new clowns will behave in just the same corrupt and incompetent manner. Any decent ones that work hard and have the right skills and experience will by killed from within the group and in time we are back to square one. What is most odd is that EVP has survived for so long. This spineless, inept and congenital liar has presided over the whole sorry mess for some four years now – a record. His connections to the palace perhaps hold him in good stead, plus of course he sucks up mercilessly to the CEO and he would sell his mother to hold onto his job. He just loves the trappings of power.
.... Alas though this leads to the door of the one that presides over the entire sorry spectacle that is aviation’s 5 Star Toilet. The 9th Floor incumbent that is totally responsible for the most corrupt and brutal regime in corporate history. The story of this creep would fill a book. Watch this space....
It seems that there is much mystery surrounding ‘Black Magic’ at the moment. Has he been fired or did he resign? Has his woefully incompetent tenure as CP fatbus finally caught up with him, or more likely did his utterly corrupt and anti-western ways finally become intolerable? Only time will tell but let’s hope that this weirdo is no longer in a position to screw up our lives, our rosters and please, please, could he leave Al Jabor compound and give our children a chance to play without fear of being run over.
It looks very like the CPT is certainly in the lead to take the fall for the B777 hard landing ‘scandal’. After a year or so in post this clown has nothing whatsoever to show for his tenure other than a complete lack of strategy, leadership and technical advancement. The promised uplift in training standardisation has also been a complete failure and the rogue trainers are still at large on all fleets doing their worst. But why should this have improved? The incumbent has no knowledge, experience and certainly no gravitas to pull off the role of CPT. No wonder the CEO has lost patience.
Whilst on the subject of ‘standards’ what has the so called SM safety and standards supremo achieved over the last year. This ‘character’ is another out and out snake and it is in your best interests to never fall out with him. He is the overseer of the safety programme of which the flight data monitoring system is an integral part. In an advanced safety culture such a system is for safety advancement purposes only, but in QR it is primarily for punishment purposes. Your anonymity is anything but secure and no end of crews are ‘shopped’ to the fleet with certain punishment to follow. About a year ago after another farcical CEO sponsored reform by Capt J Misfit this oaf was given the brief for ‘standards’. What a joke, he doesn’t even fly. Alas he is one of the protected brethren owing to his value to the CEO as an informant. Even the EVPO gets regular reamings from above based on misinformation fed to floor 9 from this oleaginous slime-ball. Be very careful.
Apparently further upheaval in the recruitment department follows the departure of baby-faced RN and now the departure of his successor PR. It seems that the brief for pilot recruitment in QR is a total poison chalice. Firstly no one in their right mind wants to join. Many pilots that are successfully selected are no-show for the course as they get a better offer (not hard). The problem for any prospective CP Rec is the politicisation of the role. You not only have to contend with extraordinary incompetence from HR via Mr ‘Useless’ B but also the poison dwarf (WA). ‘She’ is a keen CEO informant and woe betide you if she takes against you as RNs predecessor can attest. Total incompetence is a minor issue if, as in her case she ‘puts out’ for the CEO in a way that makes him smile.
On the face of it a clear out of the key buffoons from the Laughter Factory is to be celebrated. However for most of us this is just another sad turn of the wheel in a perpetual cycle. The clowns that have been fired will be replaced by more clowns. The old clowns will become (or revert to being) informants passing misinformation to floor 9. The new clowns will behave in just the same corrupt and incompetent manner. Any decent ones that work hard and have the right skills and experience will by killed from within the group and in time we are back to square one. What is most odd is that EVP has survived for so long. This spineless, inept and congenital liar has presided over the whole sorry mess for some four years now – a record. His connections to the palace perhaps hold him in good stead, plus of course he sucks up mercilessly to the CEO and he would sell his mother to hold onto his job. He just loves the trappings of power.
.... Alas though this leads to the door of the one that presides over the entire sorry spectacle that is aviation’s 5 Star Toilet. The 9th Floor incumbent that is totally responsible for the most corrupt and brutal regime in corporate history. The story of this creep would fill a book. Watch this space....
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If you will write a book I will certenly buy a copy!!!
Unfortunately it is all sadly true...but i have a question for you,Ainkhalid:
do you think things will ever change here?
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Unfortunately it is all sadly true...but i have a question for you,Ainkhalid:
do you think things will ever change here?
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I Think Qatar Airways Still Not Making Money But Losing And Its Getting Worse , Ek Made Last Year One Billion So AAB Is Not In Good Shape .at Last He Approved It Thats He Was And Still Stupid Little Man .
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Yes my friend we do live in a bottom line kind of world. It is a real balancing act to reduce costs and maintain profitability.
I have always been of the school that one hires the best and brightest and reward those employees for their hard work and dedication. The word "team" nowadays just seems to be an over rot catch phrase for inept managment. One needs to create a corporate culture of an inner sense of excellence, with a desire to serve. This of course is much easier said than done in todays what is in it for me work environment.
One of the most successful models for a company has been Southwest Airlines. Herb Kelleher has shown what can be done for an employee group with outstanding leadership skills. " NUTS! SouthWest Airlines Recipe for Business and Personel Sucess " should be mandatory reading for all those who wish to manage.
"If the employees come first, then they're happy, ... A motivated employee treats the customer well. The customer is happy so they keep coming back, which pleases the shareholders. It's not one of the enduring Green mysteries of all time, it is just the way it works"
I have always been of the school that one hires the best and brightest and reward those employees for their hard work and dedication. The word "team" nowadays just seems to be an over rot catch phrase for inept managment. One needs to create a corporate culture of an inner sense of excellence, with a desire to serve. This of course is much easier said than done in todays what is in it for me work environment.
One of the most successful models for a company has been Southwest Airlines. Herb Kelleher has shown what can be done for an employee group with outstanding leadership skills. " NUTS! SouthWest Airlines Recipe for Business and Personel Sucess " should be mandatory reading for all those who wish to manage.
"If the employees come first, then they're happy, ... A motivated employee treats the customer well. The customer is happy so they keep coming back, which pleases the shareholders. It's not one of the enduring Green mysteries of all time, it is just the way it works"
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In a western society i could not agree with you more.
This applies nicely to an educated consumer, of which 90% of our patrons are not. many of our flights are sub-continent worker flights. The vast majority do not pay for the ticket and do not know or care about much with regards to a South West airlines operating model.
Fall asleep and wake up on any of our flights to the USA or the some european destinations including the UK and you'll think your coming or going from some Sub-continent destination. I have heard some of these passengers ask with a serious face.. "where do I find the toilet for a British passport holder " !!
Now do you really think these kind of people (which amounts to a large percentage of our passenger traffic) really care about how happy our crew are or how well they are looked after.. they expect service over and above the required standard, the more you give the more they want. I'm not even going to speak about the local passenger profile, some of which treat our staff as they would their house maid and worse. One could go one for a long time with regards to this western philosophy, but it is not something that would work in this arena as well as it does for South West.
I must reiterate that I believe i the South West model. I wish it could be that way.
QA is not forecast to make a profit for years to come, as mentioned by the self procaimed great one himself. The airline is more of a country Brand name rather than a wheel of fortune. There are many people out there who have only known the airline before knowing that it was a country.
Thus they treat us as they like with no concern. No one here cares who is happy or who is not. get the brand out there, make it look good and shut up. Thats our model... and people still come.
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In a western society i could not agree with you more.
This applies nicely to an educated consumer, of which 90% of our patrons are not. many of our flights are sub-continent worker flights. The vast majority do not pay for the ticket and do not know or care about much with regards to a South West airlines operating model.
Fall asleep and wake up on any of our flights to the USA or the some european destinations including the UK and you'll think your coming or going from some Sub-continent destination. I have heard some of these passengers ask with a serious face.. "where do I find the toilet for a British passport holder " !!
Now do you really think these kind of people (which amounts to a large percentage of our passenger traffic) really care about how happy our crew are or how well they are looked after.. they expect service over and above the required standard, the more you give the more they want. I'm not even going to speak about the local passenger profile, some of which treat our staff as they would their house maid and worse. One could go one for a long time with regards to this western philosophy, but it is not something that would work in this arena as well as it does for South West.
I must reiterate that I believe i the South West model. I wish it could be that way.
QA is not forecast to make a profit for years to come, as mentioned by the self procaimed great one himself. The airline is more of a country Brand name rather than a wheel of fortune. There are many people out there who have only known the airline before knowing that it was a country.
Thus they treat us as they like with no concern. No one here cares who is happy or who is not. get the brand out there, make it look good and shut up. Thats our model... and people still come.
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Well … Contacted …QR will never do a Qantas they could never loose face, if you take a step back and look at Qatar we are a good 10 to 15 years behind the UAE. So we are trying to show to the world we are a powerful player and using our petrol $$$$ to make our mark on the world, apart from making major investments in London buying up Harold’s and other major companies. The government has big plans for prestigious projects with currently a lot of talk but no action, the bridge, the rail network and of course the 2022 world cup. Do you honestly think there could be any type of scandal suggesting Qatar has to cut back spending would affect the chances of getting 2022. There is no concern over making a profit just ‘Flying the Flag’ of Qatar, however they will try to push costs down which mean employing staff who will work for less.
Over time staff will leave, jump ship or get fired then the wheels will stop turning as recruitment is a mess, when they feel the affects of not being able to recruit then who will bail them out. Mr ‘Useless’? but he is not able to make a difference or stand up to AAB. The Moroccan (WA) spent most of the time on the beach in Miami during the last recruitment drive as there were no candidates I wonder who got the blame for that trip, how many has she had axed from the recruitment department or made their life such hell they have jumped. As Ainkhaled puts it “she puts out” for the CEO I wonder how many others do the same for him. (I look forward to your book).
Talking of things going and cuming why has AAB’s picture gone from the inflight mag? I would love to know what AAB said about the change, I am sure it was not his idea!
Over time staff will leave, jump ship or get fired then the wheels will stop turning as recruitment is a mess, when they feel the affects of not being able to recruit then who will bail them out. Mr ‘Useless’? but he is not able to make a difference or stand up to AAB. The Moroccan (WA) spent most of the time on the beach in Miami during the last recruitment drive as there were no candidates I wonder who got the blame for that trip, how many has she had axed from the recruitment department or made their life such hell they have jumped. As Ainkhaled puts it “she puts out” for the CEO I wonder how many others do the same for him. (I look forward to your book).
Talking of things going and cuming why has AAB’s picture gone from the inflight mag? I would love to know what AAB said about the change, I am sure it was not his idea!