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SeattlePilot :spot on about peoples expectation.. Its in human nature but those who come to not just THY but to Turkey in general will find if baffling or frustrating at the best of times... those that expect the system to work like the ones in any anglo/US based society will surely be peeved off..
the scene is very dynamic and not by THY choosing either.. in additon to the crazy growth and fleet expansion, the issue resides within the DGCA changing the requirements too often and at times before the noticeable positive outcomes can be seen.. every organisation here is trying to work around the chaotic decision making DGCA and unfortunately it effects peoples livelihood, families and careers ...
in addition to THY short coming as PoorJetPilot and bigboeings have mentioned, organisation is not THY best attribute nor any other operator here plus the language barrier just confounds the issue more.. if you can accept this fact and just let it be then life becomes alot more bearable.. you have to remember, unlike the other ME Flag carriers, no air operator here in TR have been setup from scratch with a expat environment so there is guaranteed to "hickups" and "pluckups"
well i do tend to agree some what it really depends on way which you view the system
for a new FO that is generally inexperience its a highway to position themselves to heavier machinery but the command upgrade is an issue that still need to be addressed.. you can work few years get the heavy time then shoot off to better opportunity ..
there is a union and was quite effective until the political scene changed so its debatable issue about the unions role in aviation...
TK has indeed a FOQA program perhaps not cutting edge as some but Q.A systems combined with FDM are certainly up there in the higher echelons.
to those that are contemplating coming here...
expect frustrating issues to arise during the initial phase but usually becomes bearable as time progresses..
for now its not a career oriented path fly get you $doe$ and experience then grab another opportunity that is in more inline with your ideals.. thats is unless they make drastic changes to internal procedures or management...
if you get hitched to a local then your definitely stuck here
don't get involved with organisational politics ... its just a waste of cognitive capacity trying to understand it
if you can accept these then you might have a chance of surviving here :
the scene is very dynamic and not by THY choosing either.. in additon to the crazy growth and fleet expansion, the issue resides within the DGCA changing the requirements too often and at times before the noticeable positive outcomes can be seen.. every organisation here is trying to work around the chaotic decision making DGCA and unfortunately it effects peoples livelihood, families and careers ...
in addition to THY short coming as PoorJetPilot and bigboeings have mentioned, organisation is not THY best attribute nor any other operator here plus the language barrier just confounds the issue more.. if you can accept this fact and just let it be then life becomes alot more bearable.. you have to remember, unlike the other ME Flag carriers, no air operator here in TR have been setup from scratch with a expat environment so there is guaranteed to "hickups" and "pluckups"
I think our system is broke because of low wages and RLA, but it is still light years ahead compared to an airline like TK. No FOQA, no union, no ASAP, no CBA makes overseas jobs high risk
for a new FO that is generally inexperience its a highway to position themselves to heavier machinery but the command upgrade is an issue that still need to be addressed.. you can work few years get the heavy time then shoot off to better opportunity ..
there is a union and was quite effective until the political scene changed so its debatable issue about the unions role in aviation...
TK has indeed a FOQA program perhaps not cutting edge as some but Q.A systems combined with FDM are certainly up there in the higher echelons.
to those that are contemplating coming here...
expect frustrating issues to arise during the initial phase but usually becomes bearable as time progresses..
for now its not a career oriented path fly get you $doe$ and experience then grab another opportunity that is in more inline with your ideals.. thats is unless they make drastic changes to internal procedures or management...
if you get hitched to a local then your definitely stuck here
don't get involved with organisational politics ... its just a waste of cognitive capacity trying to understand it
if you can accept these then you might have a chance of surviving here :
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THYTHY
Here's a few questions they should ask:
Do you have chidren?
I do, I'm a lucky man.
Do you know the price of international schools in IST ?
I do, that's one of the reasons they're not here.
How do you feel about having your children placed in a school that is located 2 hours away in IST traffic ?
Move closer to where the school is located. Kids are picked up before -and dropped off after school.
Do you know the price of a decent apartment in IST by western standards ?
I do. Living in one and it's cheaper than an equivalent in Europe.
What do you think of the price of taxis in IST ?
Try Paris, London, Rome, Berlin
Do you know if you are authorized to own a car ?
Why shouldn't you be? Everybody who wants one (in Istanbul) has one, or two...
What do you think about Turkish drivers ?
Not different than the ones in New York or Mexico City.
Would you and your family use public busses ?
Why not? Public transport gets you from anywhere to everywhere and is cheap too if you can not afford to buy a car - or two...
Are you aware that we do not provide a pension scheme ?
You should know that before you come for an interview if it bugs you that much. 'Their set of train' is what I heard on quite a number of other contracts.
What do you think about having only 21 calendar days per year of holidays .
See answer above.
In the event of a major natural disaster happening in IST while you are flying , do you think your family will be safe ?
Your aircraft might get hit by a piece of space garbage while cruising at 410. SF's still standing.
What I want to say is that one should get as info as they can before moving anywhere. They do have their own way of doing things, but so do the people in Belgium
Once you know how things go it'll become 'normal'.
Move to HKG and you'll be surprised that it's not different/easier there to get things done.
Many years ago I spent a week in DXB with the family to find out if it could work. At the end we didn't go.
Believe me, working conditions will change in the near future. Also FDT regulations. It just takes time (another few years) maybe way earlier if a crew tries to land a jetliner while they're asleep.
Do you have chidren?
I do, I'm a lucky man.
Do you know the price of international schools in IST ?
I do, that's one of the reasons they're not here.
How do you feel about having your children placed in a school that is located 2 hours away in IST traffic ?
Move closer to where the school is located. Kids are picked up before -and dropped off after school.
Do you know the price of a decent apartment in IST by western standards ?
I do. Living in one and it's cheaper than an equivalent in Europe.
What do you think of the price of taxis in IST ?
Try Paris, London, Rome, Berlin
Do you know if you are authorized to own a car ?
Why shouldn't you be? Everybody who wants one (in Istanbul
) has one, or two...What do you think about Turkish drivers ?
Not different than the ones in New York or Mexico City.
Would you and your family use public busses ?
Why not? Public transport gets you from anywhere to everywhere and is cheap too if you can not afford to buy a car - or two...
Are you aware that we do not provide a pension scheme ?
You should know that before you come for an interview if it bugs you that much. 'Their set of train' is what I heard on quite a number of other contracts.
What do you think about having only 21 calendar days per year of holidays .
See answer above.
In the event of a major natural disaster happening in IST while you are flying , do you think your family will be safe ?
Your aircraft might get hit by a piece of space garbage while cruising at 410. SF's still standing.
What I want to say is that one should get as info as they can before moving anywhere. They do have their own way of doing things, but so do the people in Belgium
Once you know how things go it'll become 'normal'.
Move to HKG and you'll be surprised that it's not different/easier there to get things done.
Many years ago I spent a week in DXB with the family to find out if it could work. At the end we didn't go.
Believe me, working conditions will change in the near future. Also FDT regulations. It just takes time (another few years) maybe way earlier if a crew tries to land a jetliner while they're asleep.
you think you are yanbancypilot. But you certainly have a big opinion of your capability to judge others.
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Halt the insults...
Dear Non-Type Rated Applicant,
It is with great regret I must inform you that we have been advised by Turkish Airlines that they cannot accept ICAO and FAA licences for the Non-Type Rated roles as of last Friday.
Unfortunately this means your assessment will no longer be taking place. You can read the email that was sent below.
We apologise on behalf of Turkish Airlines for the extreme inconvenience caused due to the late notification of this ruling.
If you do possess an EASA/JAA licence with the relevant type rating please do let me know and I will be able to advise you accordingly.
I wish you the very best of luck in the near future and hope that we can work together on a contract soon. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
Dear Non-Type Rated Applicant,
It is with great regret I must inform you that we have been advised by Turkish Airlines that they cannot accept ICAO and FAA licences for the Non-Type Rated roles as of last Friday.
Unfortunately this means your assessment will no longer be taking place. You can read the email that was sent below.
We apologise on behalf of Turkish Airlines for the extreme inconvenience caused due to the late notification of this ruling.
If you do possess an EASA/JAA licence with the relevant type rating please do let me know and I will be able to advise you accordingly.
I wish you the very best of luck in the near future and hope that we can work together on a contract soon. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
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i don't think its a matter of sour grapes (for most) but a matter of unrealized expectations and lack of knowledge on the overall scene here... let face it the Germans dont do things the way the Americans do nor the Japanese to things the way the Italian do.. there bound to be differences geographically, culturally and organizationally... some people find it hard to except the extremities of such differences
PoorJetPilot
while i agree with your example... let my remind you that after 2008 most of us were swimming in the so called Dog S*it and still to this day the overall scene if just getting to grips with the fallout and recovering (Slowly).. if its a choice between swimming in it or be locked in a room with it what would you choose?? unless miraculously another door opens to a room filled with unique exotic fragrances...
unfortunately no matter where you go and what ever industry you in... you will always have some sort of disorganization... it something that is unavoidable or else there would be no need to redundancies, Emergency response plans ...plan b's c's etc...
the tolerable level of disorganization is up to you and dependent on your professional and personal traits...
sorry it just how the world is ... just a lot more in this part of the world)
that is exactly the attitude that will find it impossible to accept the unique issues within this part of the world and make life extremely difficult... though you may have valid point i don't recommend anyone coming here with this mindset :/ you only attract confrontation...
look i have nothing against you so please don't miss understand take personally what i am trying to say ....
THY and yourself have invest time and money into the screening process now do you really think THY going to risk a Bad publicity and maybe a diplomatic crisis because you wanted to pull out... they may do a nickle and dime sums as you put but what your saying is well beyond even by scrooge standards and totally unrealistic for THY case..
all it takes is for you to be polite and convey that you changed your mind ..that's it ....
but i think you were pumped with all the negativity before hand and came here prejudge mental about the scene and not open to objective views from both perspectives
so you have worked in THY long enough and have the credibility as an employee to be able to make such a statement.. yes you may had a bad experience and as i PM you for information to see if i could help or at least convey your experience so others wont hopefully go through the same thing ... yet i am still waiting ...but you take liberty to vent your frustration here... we are all professionals (i hope so) if we just sit down and scream foul or complain without doing anything about it then what will change... problems need solutions not further added problems..
again i say this i am still await your reply in the PM if your willing to contribute (not to THY but to others)
Fluke:
Dont worry about Yabanci he goes through sporadic post menstrual phases..although they occur frequently... extremely rude borderline racist and HAS NFI but tries to remain relevant by slurring honest hard working professionals
i rest my case..
i don't think its a matter of sour grapes (for most) but a matter of unrealized expectations and lack of knowledge on the overall scene here... let face it the Germans dont do things the way the Americans do nor the Japanese to things the way the Italian do.. there bound to be differences geographically, culturally and organizationally... some people find it hard to except the extremities of such differences
PoorJetPilot
I say you could be locked in a room filled with dog $#!+ and it's going to stink. You may get used to the smell after a while and it will become more bearable but that doesn't change the fact that you are still locked in a room full of dog $#!+
Disorganization is not something you can "accept" and "let it be" because it will constantly be affecting you in a negative way.
the tolerable level of disorganization is up to you and dependent on your professional and personal traits...
sorry it just how the world is ... just a lot more in this part of the world
)
Let me tell you how things are done in the rest of the world
I would have told THY I would like to go home now but knowing how cheap THY is I feared if they thought I had wasted their time they would cancel my flight and hotel and tell me I'm on my own.
look i have nothing against you so please don't miss understand take personally what i am trying to say ....
THY and yourself have invest time and money into the screening process now do you really think THY going to risk a Bad publicity and maybe a diplomatic crisis because you wanted to pull out... they may do a nickle and dime sums as you put but what your saying is well beyond even by scrooge standards and totally unrealistic for THY case..
all it takes is for you to be polite and convey that you changed your mind ..that's it ....
but i think you were pumped with all the negativity before hand and came here prejudge mental about the scene and not open to objective views from both perspectives
That's just the kinda of company THY is
again i say this i am still await your reply in the PM
if your willing to contribute (not to THY but to others)Fluke:
Dont worry about Yabanci he goes through sporadic post menstrual phases..although they occur frequently... extremely rude borderline racist and HAS NFI
but tries to remain relevant by slurring honest hard working professionals
Simply put a job for loosers.
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he he sometimes i get amused by some of the post people put as such the like of PoorJetPilot'S reply...
let ME elaborate on your last comments first since you typically see this part of the world rear end first
First if you had taken the time to read the threads regarding THY recruitment you will see i am not For or against THY or any other organisation be in in the mid east or other regions...i simply try to bring a balanced view and hopefully provide those contemplating coming here an alternative unbiased (sometimes candid) perspective.. Read my post i never said THY is utopia on contrary i try to provide Pro's and Con's from an expat view who has LIVED HERE FOR THE LAST 8-9 YEARS (5 within THY)....
secondly im sure you have a comeback for everything, no offence but people that share or display the same characteristics like yourself usually do... besides the point its not about who can p*ss the highest or who has the last say (obviously its an important issue for you). if your done with THY that's fine... that's your choice and you have the right to voice you opinion but take my advice and just read your last few posts and think about whether you are really ready mentally to fly as an expat in this part of the world...
at the risk of judging your character unintentionally comments like "Let me tell you how things are done in the rest of the world" or "Disorganization is not something you can accept and let it be " hints to me that this outcome was a blessing in disguise as certainly you would never be happy in Turkey or THY for that matter...
i may not have been there at your selection process (some of us have to fly for a living and may not reply within a few seconds...also an answer to your question) but rest assured my friend i am 90% sure on what happened and how things work here as i have been in this country for more than 8 years, as previously mentioned... and not a few days unlike some.
what i was trying to do, as a professional, is provide assistance to you or prevent others from the same situation but i guess where you come from or the rest of the world as you put it, is ungrateful or boarder line arrogant
when you say
i respectfully waited for your reply in which i could answer some of the questions or issues you may of had... but instead you seem to portray i couldn't be "bothered"
let me go on record on the PM I WROTE that you say i couldn't be bothered ..
but no need to send any information now as i might have a fair idea now on why you might have been turned down.. still if you have any other questions feel free to PM me
so your whole assessment and theory on THY is based on the notion of a cab fare reimbursement.. i seriously had to look at the calendar to see if was April 1st.... so your "that's how THY is, probably always was, and probably always will be" Theory is based on your day or so in Turkey and THY not reimbursing you.... rightttttttt
look i agree your entitled to that reimbursement and it is normal for it to be given but have you ever considered the that person telling you "no" is a human and prone to errors or mistakes.. how about reconfirming with someone else within HR or other applicants and having a collective meeting regarding the issue with HR may have solved to problem... ... all you or all of you had to do is request to speak to someone else or to reconfirm it and if the answer was still no then ask for the supervisor.... its called lateral thinking for solutions and not confounding problems with frustrations
look i dont want to spend more time on this, as i can find more productive things to do, if you want to reply so be it..as you said "rest assured that I have a comeback to any response you could possibly have"... by all means post away...
if you sincere about getting info, this goes to anyone here, then you are more then welcome to PM me. I may not reply within a microsecond as i have a flying career and not a desk duty.. but everyone that has messaged me did get some sort of response...
let ME elaborate on your last comments first since you typically see this part of the world rear end first
Don't bother responding to this post, any of you THY supporters. I'm officially done with the THY part of my life. Just rest assured that I have a comeback to any response you could possibly have. You don't know everything that happened while I was there. I made my decisions about THY for a reason and I stand by those decisions.
secondly im sure you have a comeback for everything, no offence but people that share or display the same characteristics like yourself usually do... besides the point its not about who can p*ss the highest or who has the last say (obviously its an important issue for you). if your done with THY that's fine... that's your choice and you have the right to voice you opinion but take my advice and just read your last few posts and think about whether you are really ready mentally to fly as an expat in this part of the world...
at the risk of judging your character unintentionally comments like "Let me tell you how things are done in the rest of the world" or "Disorganization is not something you can accept and let it be " hints to me that this outcome was a blessing in disguise as certainly you would never be happy in Turkey or THY for that matter...
i may not have been there at your selection process (some of us have to fly for a living and may not reply within a few seconds...also an answer to your question) but rest assured my friend i am 90% sure on what happened and how things work here as i have been in this country for more than 8 years, as previously mentioned... and not a few days unlike some.
what i was trying to do, as a professional, is provide assistance to you or prevent others from the same situation but i guess where you come from or the rest of the world as you put it, is ungrateful or boarder line arrogant
when you say
I'm about to head out the door for a few hours but I will get back to you on that.
let me go on record on the PM I WROTE that you say i couldn't be bothered ..
firstly im sorry you had a bad experience during the THY screening process.. can you tell me what happen or give me a short outline on the things that peeved you off the most during the process ... ?? i not sure even if the HR crew understands some of the issues being mentioned here so i might visit them and give them some feedback and hopefully correct it.
I'll shut this theory down right now. The reason I wanted to leave is because we were told ground transportation would be covered while we were in Turkey. Just days before leaving we were told just to use cabs and they will be reimbursed. After we arrived and had our cab receipts ready for reimbursement HR told us they will not reimburse us. Risk bad publicity they did and bad publicity they got. I did not go there prejudge mental. I was extremely excited and thought I really wanted to work there but saying they would reimburse and then not reimbursing is unacceptable.
look i agree your entitled to that reimbursement and it is normal for it to be given but have you ever considered the that person telling you "no" is a human and prone to errors or mistakes.. how about reconfirming with someone else within HR or other applicants and having a collective meeting regarding the issue with HR may have solved to problem... ... all you or all of you had to do is request to speak to someone else or to reconfirm it and if the answer was still no then ask for the supervisor.... its called lateral thinking for solutions and not confounding problems with frustrations
look i dont want to spend more time on this, as i can find more productive things to do, if you want to reply so be it..as you said "rest assured that I have a comeback to any response you could possibly have"... by all means post away...
if you sincere about getting info, this goes to anyone here, then you are more then welcome to PM me. I may not reply within a microsecond as i have a flying career and not a desk duty.. but everyone that has messaged me did get some sort of response...
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Dear Non-Type Rated Applicant,
It is with great regret I must inform you that we have been advised by Turkish Airlines that they cannot accept ICAO and FAA licences for the Non-Type Rated roles as of last Friday.
Unfortunately this means your assessment will no longer be taking place. You can read the email that was sent below.
We apologise on behalf of Turkish Airlines for the extreme inconvenience caused due to the late notification of this ruling.
If you do possess an EASA/JAA licence with the relevant type rating please do let me know and I will be able to advise you accordingly.
I wish you the very best of luck in the near future and hope that we can work together on a contract soon. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
It is with great regret I must inform you that we have been advised by Turkish Airlines that they cannot accept ICAO and FAA licences for the Non-Type Rated roles as of last Friday.
Unfortunately this means your assessment will no longer be taking place. You can read the email that was sent below.
We apologise on behalf of Turkish Airlines for the extreme inconvenience caused due to the late notification of this ruling.
If you do possess an EASA/JAA licence with the relevant type rating please do let me know and I will be able to advise you accordingly.
I wish you the very best of luck in the near future and hope that we can work together on a contract soon. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
Blah, Blah, Blah, Yanbancy!
"just dishonourable" Oh golly gosh, "An outrageous lack of company CRM" Simply appalling!
Christ mate what bloody planet have you been on for the last twenty years. Have a look at how Singapore Airlines pissed off their expats, how Cathay expects their new recruits to survive, the humiliating medicals of the Chinese and Indian civil authorities. Ever worked in Nigeria?
You and your dullard mate, poor jet who can't negotiate taxi fares are never going to survive away from home. Your bleating come across as if THY owes you something?
You are correct however in saying THY is not a great airline. People who work here see serious problems on a regular basis. On the other hand we see great improvements and often witness last centuries pilot culture and accountability, being dragged into the 21st century.
So I guess this is goodbye from this thread. Our slanging match doesn't really help people who want to know about Turkish. If you are still looking for a flying job within a rigid, well organised airline? May I recommend Korean or Emirates, where you can fly with just as many "loser's" as in THY but not have half the fun.
"just dishonourable" Oh golly gosh, "An outrageous lack of company CRM" Simply appalling!
Christ mate what bloody planet have you been on for the last twenty years. Have a look at how Singapore Airlines pissed off their expats, how Cathay expects their new recruits to survive, the humiliating medicals of the Chinese and Indian civil authorities. Ever worked in Nigeria?
You and your dullard mate, poor jet who can't negotiate taxi fares are never going to survive away from home. Your bleating come across as if THY owes you something?
You are correct however in saying THY is not a great airline. People who work here see serious problems on a regular basis. On the other hand we see great improvements and often witness last centuries pilot culture and accountability, being dragged into the 21st century.
So I guess this is goodbye from this thread. Our slanging match doesn't really help people who want to know about Turkish. If you are still looking for a flying job within a rigid, well organised airline? May I recommend Korean or Emirates, where you can fly with just as many "loser's" as in THY but not have half the fun.
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hey, they got 70+ Lufthansa pilots recruited in one batch after the famous strike a month ago in Germany. Not the gossip but the fact! It might have forced them to revisit their decision on FAA licensed drivers.
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Fluke very good points!
When I read the other posts criticizing rest of the world airlines, I feel like I should stop flying for anybody and book for another job. Overall, it is a supply and demand environment and no one is perfect. I know that company is working hard to keep the things organized, which is very demanding due to many constraints caused by fast growing fleet and destination numbers. So, it is easy to criticize but hard to correct unless you become part of it!
When I read the other posts criticizing rest of the world airlines, I feel like I should stop flying for anybody and book for another job. Overall, it is a supply and demand environment and no one is perfect. I know that company is working hard to keep the things organized, which is very demanding due to many constraints caused by fast growing fleet and destination numbers. So, it is easy to criticize but hard to correct unless you become part of it!
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Yeah matey..have some vegemite and lets have fun !!
from UK ...just doesn't taste the same
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It is clear from the contradicting information that no one. starting from THY, has a clue. For those having a tendency to see things with rose tinting lenses here a few much needed points to consider in your reality check
1) Expat are not welcome in THY and generally only welcomed in Turkey as long as they can get their money
2)THY is a non expat airline. They are irresponsibly lying to expat to fulfill a temporary lack of Turkish national. Your "permanent" yabanci contract is not permanent but linked to your work permit that will be renewed every year.
A phone call to the Ministry of Labor will suffice when needed.
3) Turkey has become largely a dictatorship and THY is a direct emanation of the Government. Freedom of speech has been limited. Youtube banned after expose' revealing massive bribery of PM and gang
4) No upgrade of DEC to long haul fleet will ever happen. No upgrade of foreign FO will ever happen even for astrophysicists.
5) You will be tolerated as a necessary evil and treated with interested courtesy until needed
6) THY is far from being the best European Airline as they love to call them self. Beside Turkey hasn't been for the last 50 years (and will probably never be) able to fully understand what being European implies.
7) The company is still vastly under control of an ex- military mafia starting from flight ops management, protecting the local military pilots and keeping their seat warm until ready for the next CFIT by imposing absurd limitation on civilian pilots ( degree and 6 years ) while they can upgrade in two without speaking a word ( may be one ?) of English and with questionable attitude. Many would not pass a screening in any "real" airline.
8) G4RCE is an expat that has been involved by THY recruitment as they have no what so ever clue in trying to sell for gold what actually is mostly lead.
9) TL has lost 33% of its value in one year. The country is in a constant political turmoil causing large, unpredictable fluctuations of its currency. Devaluation of 99% happened not so long ago.
10) Commuting on narrow body is impossible from Europe imagine from the US. Leave stands at 15 days , No leave first year. Moving your family to Istanbul impossible. Foreign schools are incredibly expensive ( starting from 15000 EUR per kid/year). THY does not offer any benefit.Two ID90 tickets month for eligible family members. Turkey inflation skyrocketing at 12% and Istanbul is more expensive than you think.
11) Of the initiial group of 350 pilots 77% is not working for THY anymore me included.
12) The job becomes acceptable if you are retired from other outfit looking for some last fun and extra bucks in Turkey on wide body fleets.
Enjoy
1) Expat are not welcome in THY and generally only welcomed in Turkey as long as they can get their money
2)THY is a non expat airline. They are irresponsibly lying to expat to fulfill a temporary lack of Turkish national. Your "permanent" yabanci contract is not permanent but linked to your work permit that will be renewed every year.
A phone call to the Ministry of Labor will suffice when needed.
3) Turkey has become largely a dictatorship and THY is a direct emanation of the Government. Freedom of speech has been limited. Youtube banned after expose' revealing massive bribery of PM and gang
4) No upgrade of DEC to long haul fleet will ever happen. No upgrade of foreign FO will ever happen even for astrophysicists.
5) You will be tolerated as a necessary evil and treated with interested courtesy until needed
6) THY is far from being the best European Airline as they love to call them self. Beside Turkey hasn't been for the last 50 years (and will probably never be) able to fully understand what being European implies.
7) The company is still vastly under control of an ex- military mafia starting from flight ops management, protecting the local military pilots and keeping their seat warm until ready for the next CFIT by imposing absurd limitation on civilian pilots ( degree and 6 years ) while they can upgrade in two without speaking a word ( may be one ?) of English and with questionable attitude. Many would not pass a screening in any "real" airline.
8) G4RCE is an expat that has been involved by THY recruitment as they have no what so ever clue in trying to sell for gold what actually is mostly lead.
9) TL has lost 33% of its value in one year. The country is in a constant political turmoil causing large, unpredictable fluctuations of its currency. Devaluation of 99% happened not so long ago.
10) Commuting on narrow body is impossible from Europe imagine from the US. Leave stands at 15 days , No leave first year. Moving your family to Istanbul impossible. Foreign schools are incredibly expensive ( starting from 15000 EUR per kid/year). THY does not offer any benefit.Two ID90 tickets month for eligible family members. Turkey inflation skyrocketing at 12% and Istanbul is more expensive than you think.
11) Of the initiial group of 350 pilots 77% is not working for THY anymore me included.
12) The job becomes acceptable if you are retired from other outfit looking for some last fun and extra bucks in Turkey on wide body fleets.
Enjoy
Last edited by porkflyer; 30th May 2014 at 06:59.