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As I said before, what are you afraid of ?
Quote: Tread with care,your on thin ice lads, and your being monitored closer than you think.
! Where is your buddy CrazyChicken hiding?!
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Sad to see pilots slagging off each other.... I just applied for wataniya, dont know what are the T's and C's yet.... but I'm not holding my breath for it... Considering the options we have in the middle east, it is has the best potential... Many resignations but alot joiners in terms of pilots, there were quite a few with me during the assesment phase. Don't know the managment yet, never met them, but the head of training seems like a stand up guy... Relaxed interview and sim ride with him... So guys other than the standard routine of st rosters, and mis managment, anything else is there to say about the company?
t rosters, and mis managment, anything else is there to say about the company?
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Sad to see pilots slagging off each other.
Many resignations
this time
alot joiners in terms of pilots,
Don't know the managment yet, never met them, but the head of training seems like a stand up guy... Relaxed interview and sim ride with him...
so guys other than the standard routine of st rosters, and mis managment, anything else is there to say about the company?
you are right
t rosters, and mis managment, anything else is there to say about the company?
life is not as bad in Wn as some people use to say.Have you ever seen a rude and rough person gaining everything in a while?He will loose his mind.....that's the perfect picture for someone who learnt quickly to title himself!Annual leaves system and rostering must be improved!Unfortunately visa and residency process take for ever.Other than this quality of life is good,you will be at home every day and you will make good money.Someone cries until is pay check day then he enriches his bank account and start crying again.Same persons ask for something then after having obtained what they wanted start blaming again who helped them...very fair and loyal
Judas sold himself for 30 Dinars ...you are a little bit more expensive.I wonder why they use to talk about resigning but they are still here
maybe no one wants to hire them????
Where is your buddy CrazyChicken hiding?!
Unfortunately rookie time started in Wn since some of you joined and your behaviour is self explanatory.The only one who is hiding something is you and a couple of other Judas...Don't polish your dress ,your way of talking and dealing with people.. you cannot hide your real nature!
Muppet don't worry about the bad infos,join us and if you don't like you will leave...people who complains is still here getting fat and having fun withWn salary...oh yes that's for sure a miserable life at WN
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"Muppet don't worry about the bad infos,join us and if you don't like you will leave..."
crazyduck, I'm sorry to say but I have to disagree with you there... I can't just join any company and say "right you lot, this is a fuin mess and it was pleasure flying with you, now I'm off... Take care.." Without causing a huge financial strain on me, its not that easy, most people have commitments and plans made after joining and to say ok bye to all of this, NO DISRESPECT INTENDED, but is very naive and ignorant of you.
If I'm joining a company, then you have to understand all the factors and listen to all the statements that have been made about this company from both sides, Max Medlo and Crazyduck you guys have made some valid points while Blue and Desert 320 have also made some valid points.
But the fact you guys have to slag of each other to prove your points is just short of childish in all honesty. Personally, I think all of you guys should go and meet up in marina mall and have a starbucks there and discuss and compare "FACTS" as both sides call their own, and settle it out.
Thats my 2 pence really...
"Muppet don't worry about the bad infos,join us and if you don't like you will leave..."
crazyduck, I'm sorry to say but I have to disagree with you there... I can't just join any company and say "right you lot, this is a fu
in mess and it was pleasure flying with you, now I'm off... Take care.." Without causing a huge financial strain on me, its not that easy, most people have commitments and plans made after joining and to say ok bye to all of this, NO DISRESPECT INTENDED, but is very naive and ignorant of you. If I'm joining a company, then you have to understand all the factors and listen to all the statements that have been made about this company from both sides, Max Medlo and Crazyduck you guys have made some valid points while Blue and Desert 320 have also made some valid points.
But the fact you guys have to slag of each other to prove your points is just short of childish in all honesty. Personally, I think all of you guys should go and meet up in marina mall and have a starbucks there and discuss and compare "FACTS" as both sides call their own, and settle it out.
Thats my 2 pence really...
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ok i will be straight forward
life is ok at Wn and you won't be disappointed.But if you think that what Desert described could be closer to truth compared to my picture you can just not join us.I agree with you about family plans etc...i think that most of frustration arised
because a lot of bt have been promised to desert and someone else since the beginning.
Months ago we were a good group of people than someone started to be arrogant stepping on everyone's feet and the bubble popped up.Being Arrogant plus ignorant is a bad combination.Read carefully all my posts and maybe you will understand.When some people saw their plans fd they started to be frustrated.
If you have something to hide at least try not to be arrogant otherwise people will start to be pissed off investigations will start and eventually a big load of st will hit you.
life is ok at Wn and you won't be disappointed.But if you think that what Desert described could be closer to truth compared to my picture you can just not join us.I agree with you about family plans etc...i think that most of frustration arised
because a lot of b
t have been promised to desert and someone else since the beginning.
But the fact you guys have to slag of each other to prove your points is just short of childish in all honesty. Personally, I think all of you guys should go and meet up in marina mall and have a starbucks there and discuss and compare "FACTS" as both sides call their own, and settle it out
d they started to be frustrated.If you have something to hide at least try not to be arrogant otherwise people will start to be pissed off investigations will start and eventually a big load of s
t will hit you.
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Crazyduck, I'm not sure what is your definition of arrogance is??
It is not considered arrogant behaviour if someone throws his teddies when he/she was promised something and was given the middle finger in return....
The guy is just pissed off about that, I don't blame him one bit if that is true.
So instead of calling him "arrogant" or to me as I prefer to say that he is bitching
... Why don't you hear him out, make it a group pilot effort to listen to everybody's claims and if there is any foundation then by all means, we try our level best to get our promises.
I know unions are illegal in this part of the world, a small start, some sort unofficial pilot representation. Where a group people will try to lobby our issues to the management in someway
Crazyduck if you dismiss every claim against the company as untrue then you will be the one who will have a ten foot pole stick up your a*s because the management will take advantage of you... That's my experience during my career. They will see you as their "yes" man and take advantage of you, in return granted they might throw you a bone here and there with a promise in being TRE or command in the future, whatever your status or maybe they might knock you into management who knows.
One thing is for sure though, if the latter happens, you will lose all respect from your colleagues, who you so call a "good bunch people"..... Cause they know you have kissed enough ass...
As for Desert320 and Blue320, yes managment are not our friends, nor do you have demonize them, there are ways of "bitching" (Not being arrogant as crazyduck would put it) try a different method, I'm not sure how the airline is setup but you should find ways of making your complaints (not bitching) to proper official channels that can be heard to people who can or able to help, without bitching like what we saw on these pages (AGAIN NO DISREPECT INTENDED PLEASE!!! REMEMBER YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT)
Come on guys stop pissing into the wind, our downfall will always be when management puts a wedge between us pilots and seperate us. At the end their main aim is for us to only agree to disagree.... So nothing gets completed....
It is not considered arrogant behaviour if someone throws his teddies when he/she was promised something and was given the middle finger in return....
The guy is just pissed off about that, I don't blame him one bit if that is true.
So instead of calling him "arrogant" or to me as I prefer to say that he is bitching
... Why don't you hear him out, make it a group pilot effort to listen to everybody's claims and if there is any foundation then by all means, we try our level best to get our promises.I know unions are illegal in this part of the world, a small start, some sort unofficial pilot representation. Where a group people will try to lobby our issues to the management in someway
Crazyduck if you dismiss every claim against the company as untrue then you will be the one who will have a ten foot pole stick up your a*s because the management will take advantage of you... That's my experience during my career. They will see you as their "yes" man and take advantage of you, in return granted they might throw you a bone here and there with a promise in being TRE or command in the future, whatever your status or maybe they might knock you into management who knows.
One thing is for sure though, if the latter happens, you will lose all respect from your colleagues, who you so call a "good bunch people"..... Cause they know you have kissed enough ass...
As for Desert320 and Blue320, yes managment are not our friends, nor do you have demonize them, there are ways of "bitching" (Not being arrogant as crazyduck would put it
) try a different method, I'm not sure how the airline is setup but you should find ways of making your complaints (not bitching) to proper official channels that can be heard to people who can or able to help, without bitching like what we saw on these pages (AGAIN NO DISREPECT INTENDED PLEASE!!! REMEMBER YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT) Come on guys stop pissing into the wind, our downfall will always be when management puts a wedge between us pilots and seperate us. At the end their main aim is for us to only agree to disagree.... So nothing gets completed....
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I can't just join any company and say "right you lot, this is a fuin mess and it was pleasure flying with you, now I'm off... Take care.." Without causing a huge financial strain on me, its not that easy, most people have commitments and plans made after joining and to say ok bye to all of this, NO DISRESPECT INTENDED, but is very naive and ignorant of you.
in mess and it was pleasure flying with you, now I'm off... Take care.." Without causing a huge financial strain on me, its not that easy, most people have commitments and plans made after joining and to say ok bye to all of this, NO DISRESPECT INTENDED, but is very naive and ignorant of you.
i am here and i am flying a lot like everyone at Wn.I have never thought to leave because before joining and signing i made some plans for my life , i looked around and i took the best decision according to my situation.There are no easy start up for sure.But Hanging around and spreading bad rumors because someone else received wrong informations only to make him signing the contract is not fair.I am just trying to say that life is ok in Wn but It's not easy when you are a long distance away from home.You work hard but you make money and the Country is enjoyable.If you read all the other forums everyone is complaining because of rosters,annual leaves etcBut i think that many other people are enjoying their work place.Each of us sometimes should rememeber where he/she started and how much he struggled to get a job...maybe we wouldn't be here throwing mud to each other
but don't call me naive and ignorant because i am a loyal person and sometime does not pay
All the best
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very wise of you.I am not looking for any bones here sorry,i use my lips not to kiss asses but cheek's lips and i use the pole to play snooker.When i say arrogant i don't mean the way in which Desert was complaining but this is a different story.That would be nice to have a group of pilots but if we don't trust each other it would be very hard.If everyone doesn't step back will be very hard to do what you suggested
very wise of you
.I am not looking for any bones here sorry,i use my lips not to kiss asses but cheek's lips and i use the pole to play snooker.When i say arrogant i don't mean the way in which Desert was complaining but this is a different story.That would be nice to have a group of pilots but if we don't trust each other it would be very hard.If everyone doesn't step back will be very hard to do what you suggested
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Sometimes it takes a bigger person to step back and I say I'm sorry and listen to the situation then doing the immaturish idea of you first policy....
As the famous saying goes...."can't we all just get along....."
As the famous saying goes...."can't we all just get along....."
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I know for a fact that this was the case ( getting along ) in WTN at the beginning, but apparently some of the pilots there way in the start, especially the expats, and expats here meaning Americans, a Canadian and an Australian-he’s the one responsible for the aforementioned pilots having a job in WTN to start with since he WAS the training manager, and in the process he bended numerous restrictions for recruiting credentials and accepted most of the above mentioned pilots while they were way below WTN minimums and requirements, he was later sacked from training and eventually resigned and left - sensed that some how they are better then the rest of the Kuwaiti/European /Arab pilot group, especially when their loyalty at that stage was for the training manager for the reasons stated.
Therefore, the Kuwaiti/European/Arab pilot mix had to retaliate big time, resulting in inner cracks in the pilot group that still remain and grow, its too late for that crack to heel, and its getting bigger as my sources say, I also know it’s a matter of time and a major in-house cleaning will take place, once they have a minor surplus of pilots, lots of the existing expat crew ( look for expat definition above) will be looking for jobs, bummer guys,but what goes around comes around, aint life a bi*ch.
In case your wondering why I’m so interested in WTN is that we at JZR have been waiting and seeing where this crap is leading since a couple of us want to join WTN, and as it seems they’re not as internally stable as I’d personally prefer.
Also before any one starts barking about facts and rumors and such, Kuwait is a VERY VERY small country, once you’re here for some time you can always know what’s happening in most companies since most pilots know each other.
Therefore, the Kuwaiti/European/Arab pilot mix had to retaliate big time, resulting in inner cracks in the pilot group that still remain and grow, its too late for that crack to heel, and its getting bigger as my sources say, I also know it’s a matter of time and a major in-house cleaning will take place, once they have a minor surplus of pilots, lots of the existing expat crew ( look for expat definition above) will be looking for jobs, bummer guys,but what goes around comes around, aint life a bi*ch.
In case your wondering why I’m so interested in WTN is that we at JZR have been waiting and seeing where this crap is leading since a couple of us want to join WTN, and as it seems they’re not as internally stable as I’d personally prefer.
Also before any one starts barking about facts and rumors and such, Kuwait is a VERY VERY small country, once you’re here for some time you can always know what’s happening in most companies since most pilots know each other.
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Hey there Max,
Just a few points on your previous post....
With all due respect, its very hard to convince us of your statements about Wataniya considering that your are not an employee of the company.
Like you said, Kuwait is a very small country, and as a result it has, how we say a very SOCIALABLE pilot scene.... Where gossip is king, as thats the only thing pilots do the in the cockpit, other than flying of course....
I'm sure you are a very intelligent person, reading from your posts show that... You must have heard of the chinese whispers theory, where a story is passed down from one person to the next and the story is changed after each person has spiced things to make it seem more interesting....
Taking that into account, most statements that pilots make I usually take with a pinch of salt especially if the pilot is talking about another airline that he/she was never in....
Also this statement about Europeans Vs Americans Vs Arabs Vs Aliens etc.... I think it has no foundation, as the locals will always win, and if the foreign pilots think otherwise, then they extremely naive and stupid to say the least.... I do hope that we don't have people like that are flying planes
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In terms of stability..... I don't know about Wataniya's internal stability...... But I do agree with you that Jazeera is very stable, as a dictatorship always brings stability in a shape of a mini napolean as some my friends who are flying with Jazeera Airways say..... See Max never take things without a pinch of salt mate
Fly safe Max!!!
Just a few points on your previous post....
With all due respect, its very hard to convince us of your statements about Wataniya considering that your are not an employee of the company.
Like you said, Kuwait is a very small country, and as a result it has, how we say a very SOCIALABLE pilot scene.... Where gossip is king, as thats the only thing pilots do the in the cockpit, other than flying of course
....I'm sure you are a very intelligent person, reading from your posts show that... You must have heard of the chinese whispers theory, where a story is passed down from one person to the next and the story is changed after each person has spiced things to make it seem more interesting....
Taking that into account, most statements that pilots make I usually take with a pinch of salt especially if the pilot is talking about another airline that he/she was never in....
Also this statement about Europeans Vs Americans Vs Arabs Vs Aliens etc.... I think it has no foundation, as the locals will always win, and if the foreign pilots think otherwise, then they extremely naive and stupid to say the least.... I do hope that we don't have people like that are flying planes
....In terms of stability..... I don't know about Wataniya's internal stability...... But I do agree with you that Jazeera is very stable, as a dictatorship always brings stability in a shape of a mini napolean as some my friends who are flying with Jazeera Airways say..... See Max never take things without a pinch of salt mate
Fly safe Max!!!
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Well said, muppet, well said, when its comes to salt in this region, me thinks a pinch is drastically understated, a torrent is more like it, I figure its so important that we should have an allowance for it.
I do agree with you though that outsiders are not always current on what’s going on in the kitchen, but please don’t presume I’ll be naïve enough to state such data if it had no basis what so ever, keep in mind that fact is mostly derived from fiction, and even rumors have origins and bases, I don’t want to act mysterious and all, but my sources are pretty reliable, so I guess time will tell, I’m not forcing my opinion on anybody.
As for the aliens vs. monsters gallactic battle, the monsters won, but for the time being, the aliens still commandeer their ships, so your hopes are in vain, we have mono cell creatures flying all over the world, both of us can agree that it quite common globaly, so WTN is no exception when it comes to that.
P.S. mini Napoleon does exist
I do agree with you though that outsiders are not always current on what’s going on in the kitchen, but please don’t presume I’ll be naïve enough to state such data if it had no basis what so ever, keep in mind that fact is mostly derived from fiction, and even rumors have origins and bases, I don’t want to act mysterious and all, but my sources are pretty reliable, so I guess time will tell, I’m not forcing my opinion on anybody.
As for the aliens vs. monsters gallactic battle, the monsters won, but for the time being, the aliens still commandeer their ships, so your hopes are in vain, we have mono cell creatures flying all over the world, both of us can agree that it quite common globaly, so WTN is no exception when it comes to that.
P.S. mini Napoleon does exist
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Also this statement about Europeans Vs Americans Vs Arabs Vs Aliens etc.... I think it has no foundation, as the locals will always win, and if the foreign pilots think otherwise, then they extremely naive and stupid to say the least.... I do hope that we don't have people like that are flying planes 
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In terms of stability..... I don't know about Wataniya's internal stability......
i think that you know much more than we know from the inside of the airline..........I think that you are much more inside the airline than you want us to believe Take care
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Sorry to move away from the peace process....but if any one has an e-mail address to send a CV to, would they be so kind as to please PM me. Thanks
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Hello All
Quote from crazyduck: "Muppett
i think that you know much more than we know from the inside of the airline..........I think that you are much more inside the airline than you want us to believe 
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Yes crazyduck, I own the airline, it was my high school science project that has now gone live from daddy's cash!! After a few large bottles of tequilla and a pound of crystal meth, while sitting down in piss pouring rain Glastonbury on what I hope was mud but didn't smell like it....This was how Wataniya was born....
No crazyduck, I just use educated guesses and from experience, like most pilots do in an emergency, anyway Napoloean was from what I heard from friends of mine who now work in Jazeera Airways...
I don't know management of Wataniya, nor do I really care to be honest, As I believe in the chocks off chocks on principle, where I do my job, go home and enjoy life. Like you do mate!
By the way if peace does break out with Wataniya and Jazeera Airways pilots, remember where it all started!!! Nobel Peace Prize for me.... Better start on my acceptance speech
Quote from crazyduck: "Muppett
i think that you know much more than we know from the inside of the airline..........I think that you are much more inside the airline than you want us to believe "Yes crazyduck, I own the airline, it was my high school science project that has now gone live from daddy's cash!! After a few large bottles of tequilla and a pound of crystal meth, while sitting down in piss pouring rain Glastonbury on what I hope was mud but didn't smell like it....This was how Wataniya was born....
No crazyduck, I just use educated guesses and from experience, like most pilots do in an emergency
, anyway Napoloean was from what I heard from friends of mine who now work in Jazeera Airways...I don't know management of Wataniya, nor do I really care to be honest, As I believe in the chocks off chocks on principle, where I do my job, go home and enjoy life. Like you do mate!
By the way if peace does break out with Wataniya and Jazeera Airways pilots, remember where it all started!!! Nobel Peace Prize for me.... Better start on my acceptance speech
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good times are coming
Hi
watania is a great airline promisses are being fullfilled ,this year was hard on every one but the feuture is bright upgades and new fllets are on the way 6 A330 next year pluss EU destanations are on the way good slsry good schools allawances and they realy trat you as if you were thir son First class home tickets world wide ticikets and lots more this is what EK and EY was 5 years ago, excelant CEO ,very nice TRG director and lots of days off What can I say heven is a place on earth.
watania is a great airline promisses are being fullfilled ,this year was hard on every one but the feuture is bright upgades and new fllets are on the way 6 A330 next year pluss EU destanations are on the way good slsry good schools allawances and they realy trat you as if you were thir son First class home tickets world wide ticikets and lots more this is what EK and EY was 5 years ago, excelant CEO ,very nice TRG director and lots of days off What can I say heven is a place on earth.
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UR FIRST POST IN PPRUNE AND U SAY THIS S....
R U JOKING?¿....AT LEAST SAY 1 OR 2...... ?6¿...WHY NOT 13 OR 14....?¿.
AND I REALLY HOPE U R RIGHT AND ME WRONG...
NICE FLIGHTS FOR ALL!! AND HAPPY 2010!.