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Duh, it's easy to say if you have a good job and opportunities. It takes a lot to move around the world for a new job and even more to go back! Unfortunately, it is that bad ... they are really great at attracting you so you don't know what they are really like until you are have made the move then it's too late...for most and they know that. You are not treated any different from a man due (spelling?). They piss on you daily & try to convince you it's just raining...in the desert! I guess it's just what you are use to and what you need but some just don't have a choice, some just think it's the norm and don't mind the piss
, and some are just doing it for the flt. time, but most are just doing it short term for the $$ which is the only good thing...but they are hacking that away little by little each day so there will soon be no reason for even short term. ....a real shame.
, and some are just doing it for the flt. time, but most are just doing it short term for the $$ which is the only good thing...but they are hacking that away little by little each day so there will soon be no reason for even short term. ....a real shame.
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well well well
"spitting on your airline "game started...
facts:
-people left the airline after having signed for a loan with the bank(doesn't sound like robbery????)
-People spread rumors about cutting salaries,allowances and bankruptcy just to have something to do during days off except being contadicted later o
-People behaviour is not professional(and i don't want to go deeper otherwise i will write a book about it)
this people complains like red barons
but there's a big difference
and i don't think they were used to earn such big salaries
Moving away from your country means adapting,dealing with different cultures, lifestyles and people.If you cannot deal with that just leave,go somewhere else.
Changing country is not for everyone.Tolerance,culture,education and knowledge are main requirements.If you want to export or impose your country habits and customs... history teaches what happened in the past.
Time will tell us who was right and who wasn't.
And please stop spitting on your job because if you still do it without leaving
1 you have no attributes to change(or you are not skill enough to do it)
2you are an hypocrite
you look definitely like big black crows !it's better to stay away from you.
"spitting on your airline "game started...
facts:
-people left the airline after having signed for a loan with the bank(doesn't sound like robbery????)
-People spread rumors about cutting salaries,allowances and bankruptcy just to have something to do during days off except being contadicted later o
-People behaviour is not professional(and i don't want to go deeper otherwise i will write a book about it)
this people complains like red barons
but there's a big difference and i don't think they were used to earn such big salariesMoving away from your country means adapting,dealing with different cultures, lifestyles and people.If you cannot deal with that just leave,go somewhere else.
Changing country is not for everyone.Tolerance,culture,education and knowledge are main requirements.If you want to export or impose your country habits and customs... history teaches what happened in the past.
Time will tell us who was right and who wasn't.
And please stop spitting on your job because if you still do it without leaving
1 you have no attributes to change(or you are not skill enough to do it)
2you are an hypocrite
you look definitely like big black crows !it's better to stay away from you.
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First of all, to anyone who is/was not with Wataniya, maybe it would be best of you do not comment on what you think you know. Those of us that are/were with this specific company have very clear ideas(F A C T) of what is happening. From the "copy and paste" type contracts, to the reduction in benefits, the daily changes to SOP etc etc.
Regardless if someone took a loan or not, changed companies 100 times or "had a bad attitude" does that make what he says less true? Ted Bundy was knows as a nice guy, but he was also a nut job. All airlines have their own problems, yes but coming from another airline(true I did my fair share of complaining along with the masses) it is clear to see what is happening at Wataniya. Another previously employee recently sent an email detailing certain faults. I am quite sure it will be one here soon enough for everyone to see. There are more problems at Wataniya than there should be. That is the point of this thread. To detail those problems, not to assassinate the character of a previous employee because you didn't like what he had to say and you don't agree.
Regardless if someone took a loan or not, changed companies 100 times or "had a bad attitude" does that make what he says less true? Ted Bundy was knows as a nice guy, but he was also a nut job. All airlines have their own problems, yes but coming from another airline(true I did my fair share of complaining along with the masses) it is clear to see what is happening at Wataniya. Another previously employee recently sent an email detailing certain faults. I am quite sure it will be one here soon enough for everyone to see. There are more problems at Wataniya than there should be. That is the point of this thread. To detail those problems, not to assassinate the character of a previous employee because you didn't like what he had to say and you don't agree.
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Adaption
Crazyduck, I would just to love to see you "adapt" to flying in another airline, country, culture! It's fine long as you are in the ME but just try and fly anywhere outside; with your attitude you would not last a week! I have seen it before believe me........
The rumours about loans are totally untrue and just spread to sow dissension in the ranks. A thing that certain people in WN are very good at. Look at all the people that have resigned or run away ....... where there was no good reason ... only that they were not treated well from the start.
Please Management make it change! We are all willing to work long and hard for WN, just treat us half decently and let us plan our leave ahead and let us have our days off undisturbed. And please be careful who you promote to TRE status ..... look at their previous records ..........
And finally, Management please give us a pilot leader, ie one that leads from the front and represents our issues; someone that we can look up to. It would do wonders for productivity ...... promise!
The rumours about loans are totally untrue and just spread to sow dissension in the ranks. A thing that certain people in WN are very good at. Look at all the people that have resigned or run away ....... where there was no good reason ... only that they were not treated well from the start.
Please Management make it change! We are all willing to work long and hard for WN, just treat us half decently and let us plan our leave ahead and let us have our days off undisturbed. And please be careful who you promote to TRE status ..... look at their previous records ..........
And finally, Management please give us a pilot leader, ie one that leads from the front and represents our issues; someone that we can look up to. It would do wonders for productivity ...... promise!
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"The rumours about loans are totally untrue and just spread to sow dissension in the ranks. A thing that certain people in WN are very good at. Look at all the people that have resigned or run away ....... where there was no good reason ... only that they were not treated well from the start.
There are fore sure some problems in such a young airline no lies but There's a group of people in WN that likes spreading rumors about other pilots/employees without knowing them.Frustration and not being in command plays this game sometime!Oh the Company was bad with those victims you are talking about.... Why the company cancelled the 70 hrs guaranteed? because there was someone lying at home without any interest in getting his licences due to the 70 hrs guaranteed....or may be when the company forced its employees to report when leaving the country because someone did not check his roster properly and did not show up the next day.Time is going and is showing the truth...
Fortunately there are some other positive people happy to be in WN who make working environment very enjoyable.
Last suggestion, try to be more respectful with people older than you that have more professional and human experience.It's a rule for surviving into the jungle which is not only your Country.
Refresh your memory. and try to show a little bit of maturity and gratitude.
the first is a requirement for an upgrade,if you are a pilot,the second one is up to you
There are fore sure some problems in such a young airline no lies but There's a group of people in WN that likes spreading rumors about other pilots/employees without knowing them.Frustration and not being in command plays this game sometime!Oh the Company was bad with those victims you are talking about.... Why the company cancelled the 70 hrs guaranteed? because there was someone lying at home without any interest in getting his licences due to the 70 hrs guaranteed....or may be when the company forced its employees to report when leaving the country because someone did not check his roster properly and did not show up the next day.Time is going and is showing the truth...
Fortunately there are some other positive people happy to be in WN who make working environment very enjoyable.
Last suggestion, try to be more respectful with people older than you that have more professional and human experience.It's a rule for surviving into the jungle which is not only your Country.
Refresh your memory. and try to show a little bit of maturity and gratitude.
the first is a requirement for an upgrade,if you are a pilot,the second one is up to you
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I’m wondering( yes, again! ), why is it that most ppruners writing on this subject seem to be more concerned by the persona of the pilot in question rather than the company he used to work for???
I think they are finding excuses for the company to ditch him more compelling and convincing than excuses for him to be unhappy!!
What I also don’t understand is why some people on the other hand keep insisting on protecting the guy’s image, as if by doing so, they are protecting their own image, or, in fact hiding their own incompetence.
What do you have to be afraid of ? I totally agree with crazyduck, there seem to be an unprofessional group within the pilot ranks, who in my opinion, are scared sh!tless that a day will come when their lack of ability and skills will be clearly visible to all, and that what’s happening now is just the beginning of the end.
Tread with care,your on thin ice lads, and your being monitored closer than you think.
I think they are finding excuses for the company to ditch him more compelling and convincing than excuses for him to be unhappy!!
What I also don’t understand is why some people on the other hand keep insisting on protecting the guy’s image, as if by doing so, they are protecting their own image, or, in fact hiding their own incompetence.
What do you have to be afraid of ? I totally agree with crazyduck, there seem to be an unprofessional group within the pilot ranks, who in my opinion, are scared sh!tless that a day will come when their lack of ability and skills will be clearly visible to all, and that what’s happening now is just the beginning of the end.
Tread with care,your on thin ice lads, and your being monitored closer than you think.
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To good to resist...in all honesty, who in their right mind continues to work for or slave for a company that's keeps changing the contract. Must not be to bad or you'd have left by now.
there seem to be an unprofessional group within the pilot ranks
Unprofessional is a word that involves as well
discipline, education, respect.All stuff that normally must be teached you when you start getting your licenses...make a soft landing,no matter if it takes all the runway
,like a ppl pilot,you will be the hero!And if your colleague makes it hard or positive go home and tell to your buddies immediately, making fun of him /them because your life is based mainly on this...this is the biiiig difference between working with professionals or working with someone else.
And please be careful who you promote to TRE status ..... look at their previous records ..........
...fortunately they already did it in the beginning.But i also immagine that with thousand of hours on the bus you had many opportunities except WN right?where would you be if not in WN?????
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I’m wondering( yes, again! ), why is it that most ppruners writing on this subject seem to be more concerned by the persona of the pilot in question rather than the company he used to work for???
What I also don’t understand is why some people on the other hand keep insisting on protecting the guy’s image, as if by doing so, they are protecting their own image, or, in fact hiding their own incompetence.
What do you have to be afraid of ? I totally agree with crazyduck, there seem to be an unprofessional group within the pilot ranks, who in my opinion, are scared sh!tless that a day will come when their lack of ability and skills will be clearly visible to all, and that what’s happening now is just the beginning of the end.
Tread with care,your on thin ice lads, and your being monitored closer than you think.
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"well well well "spitting on your airline "game started... facts: -people left the airline after having signed for a loan with the bank (doesn't sound like robbery????)
spreading rumors about other pilots/employees without knowing them.
FACT: 7 pilots in 10 months have "left". Have you ever wondered why?
FACT: I know 2 of them are/have paid off their loan.
There's a group of people in WN that likes spreading rumors about other pilots/employees without knowing them.
are you doing?
If you cannot deal with that just leave,go somewhere else.
-People spread rumors about cutting salaries,allowances and bankruptcy just to have something to do during days off except being contadicted later o
FACT: My wages and benefits have been cut.
FACT: I don't know if yours have but it wouldn't surprise me either way.
FACT: We have lost money from day one with no projection of making money in the near future. (From the meeting last week.)
FACT: Loosing money eventually leads to bankruptcy.
-People behaviour is not professional(and i don't want to go deeper otherwise i will write a book about it) this people complains like red barons but there's a big difference and i don't think they were used to earn such big salaries
FACT: Slander against your colleagues is not professional.
FACT: Most of the ex-pats here (at one time) were use to making at least 2x and with 3x the time off...including myself. Pleas don't tell me to:
just leave,go somewhere else.
Moving away from your country means adapting,dealing with different cultures, lifestyles and people.If you cannot deal with that just leave,go somewhere else.
! What we can't deal with are the lies----everything else is fine including your black crows, red barons, and spit!
Changing country is not for everyone. Tolerance,culture,education and knowledge are main requirements. If you want to export or impose your country habits and customs... history teaches what happened in the past. Time will tell us who was right and who wasn't.
hypocrite!! Have you ever lived or worked outside your country/region for an airline or in a professional environment? If so, were you lied to, disrespected, threatened, and intimidated on a daily basis? And did you "export or impose your country habits and customs"??
And please stop spitting on your job because if you still do it without leaving 1 you have no attributes to change(or you are not skill enough to do it) 2you are an hypocrite you look definitely like big black crows !it's better to stay away from you.
Carry on!
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Ok let's try one more time and more simple
My dear... have your ever been a guest or invited for dinner at someone else home?What was your behaviour?Slamming the door down placing your feet on the table shouting for a meal?According to your style probably.What i am trying to say is if you don't like the place,the country,the airline ,the management because being not in command raises a sort of frustration on you don't stress the population and leave.
Unfortunately we have to be represented for the time being but not at all of course by DesertRooster320.I like it cooked on the grill!Or dumping stuff on him when,as a crazy duck or quack i fly into the sky.
Mhd needs some of you as well when he wants to watch the most amusing pt comedies...Don't drink too much iced beverages when you write here.... the remains of what lies inside a remote area of your skull could freeze
CD
You've got to be bludy kidding me!! Yep, you're showing some real "Tolerance,culture,education and knowledge"!! And you're telling me that your people don't "impose and export your country habits and customs" to other countries....what a hypocrite!! Have you ever lived or worked outside your country/region for an airline or in a professional environment? If so, were you lied to, disrespected, threatened, and intimidated on a daily basis? And did you "export or impose your country habits and customs"??
hypocrite!! Have you ever lived or worked outside your country/region for an airline or in a professional environment? If so, were you lied to, disrespected, threatened, and intimidated on a daily basis? And did you "export or impose your country habits and customs"??
Unfortunately we have to be represented for the time being but not at all of course by DesertRooster320.I like it cooked on the grill!Or dumping stuff on him when,as a crazy duck or quack i fly into the sky.
When you guys aren't holding hands and sucking on the same shisha hose keep entertaining us mhd knows we need it!
Carry on!
Carry on!
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Read some of the other threads before coming to work in the ME. However, if you still decide to come to this dump, call Satan at 666-666-6666 ..... that number should work from any part of the world, 'cos that's what you'll be doing, selling your soul to the devil.
STAY AWAY FROM THIS PART OF THE WORLD !!!
STAY AWAY FROM THIS PART OF THE WORLD !!!
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Your very amusing, childish yes, but still entertaining, carry on please, what next do you have to say?
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Priority, read the many thousands of posts on this and other forums about working in this part of the world. It's all about 98% correct. There are a few positive things (good food, cheap petrol) but bottom line, they lie, cheat, and steal while they smile at you! Nobody; not even CrazyD or Max will deny! But, if you can take it then come on in. There will always be plenty of room in WAN for fresh blood!
priority-left could anyone provide a name and a number to call for a guy looking for a job
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Hi guys, I'm considering the possibility to moving to Q8 from another Gulf Country. (no comments on that please)
I just need straight forward information ONLY about Wataniya rostering, How many days off?Any sort of pattern? How many hours per month? And a very important one... Do you do deep night fligts? In affirmative case; How many per month?
Thank a lot and happy flights
I just need straight forward information ONLY about Wataniya rostering, How many days off?Any sort of pattern? How many hours per month? And a very important one... Do you do deep night fligts? In affirmative case; How many per month?
Thank a lot and happy flights
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Gipsy,
The outcome and quality of your roster is greatly determined on your "relationship" with the company and more importantly with the 2 rostering goons.
However, you will a max of 8 days off per roster per the DGCA. You have ZERO input in where these days off end up, where you fly, with whom you fly, and 2 consecutive days off is the norm! You will get a few standby days in between which they have been known to manipulate your roster by turning into a day off if they don't use you! If you are lucky and have a "relationship" you may be granted 3 consecutive days off and with some say in where you want these days!
A roster is published a few days before the end of the month (only because the DGCA requries) but it changes on a constant basis so it's a joke and planning a life is impossible because of the constant changes. You are neither told nor asked of the near daily changes but you are required to look for them daily. If you miss a change it is your fault and you will receive a miss trip and punished accordingly! You cannot trade days off and you cannot (officially) speak to rostering. You cannot exit the country on days off unless permission from the great commandante is received. If they need you (day off or not) and you don't answer your phone you will receive a miss trip and punished accordingly!
If you don't mind being on call 24/7 with no life then this is the place for you!
If you look on this thread or other threads about WAN you will find a lot of accurate info. on your question.
I think MAX has just scared most guys from responding but I'm sure he'll have something to say after this response!
But, fear is truly indicative of the life here at WAN.
The outcome and quality of your roster is greatly determined on your "relationship" with the company and more importantly with the 2 rostering goons.
However, you will a max of 8 days off per roster per the DGCA. You have ZERO input in where these days off end up, where you fly, with whom you fly, and 2 consecutive days off is the norm! You will get a few standby days in between which they have been known to manipulate your roster by turning into a day off if they don't use you! If you are lucky and have a "relationship" you may be granted 3 consecutive days off and with some say in where you want these days!
A roster is published a few days before the end of the month (only because the DGCA requries) but it changes on a constant basis so it's a joke and planning a life is impossible because of the constant changes. You are neither told nor asked of the near daily changes but you are required to look for them daily. If you miss a change it is your fault and you will receive a miss trip and punished accordingly! You cannot trade days off and you cannot (officially) speak to rostering. You cannot exit the country on days off unless permission from the great commandante is received. If they need you (day off or not) and you don't answer your phone you will receive a miss trip and punished accordingly!
If you don't mind being on call 24/7 with no life then this is the place for you!
If you look on this thread or other threads about WAN you will find a lot of accurate info. on your question.
I think MAX has just scared most guys from responding but I'm sure he'll have something to say after this response!
But, fear is truly indicative of the life here at WAN.
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As much as I hate to disappoint ye, but I have nay say, its amazing though that you admit that even your friends are not willing to back you up outta fear, they aren’t risking sticking out their necks even in an out of sight forum under phony names, makes you wonder!
As I said before, what are you afraid of ?
MAX the fearsome
As much as I hate to disappoint ye, but I have nay say, its amazing though that you admit that even your friends are not willing to back you up outta fear, they aren’t risking sticking out their necks even in an out of sight forum under phony names, makes you wonder!
As I said before, what are you afraid of ?
MAX the fearsome