EK407 - Tailstrike YMML 20 March
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On the subject of "an open safety reporting culture"......
Can the 380 pilots on this forum either confirm or deny the rumour that when selecting pilots to return to the 340, The Talking Horse invited those who had submitted the most ASR's (mainly fatigue related) as ideal candidates?
Don't shoot; just trying to separate truth from rumour!
SM
Can the 380 pilots on this forum either confirm or deny the rumour that when selecting pilots to return to the 340, The Talking Horse invited those who had submitted the most ASR's (mainly fatigue related) as ideal candidates?
Don't shoot; just trying to separate truth from rumour!
SM
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Low In Fuel,
A person can enter the correct weight, yet the enter the incorrect speeds which, were calculated in a laptop using the incorrect weight. A person can also enter the correct speeds for the wrong weight, but this was not about entering the incorrect weight into the FMGS, but rather incorrect speeds.
A person can enter the correct weight, yet the enter the incorrect speeds which, were calculated in a laptop using the incorrect weight. A person can also enter the correct speeds for the wrong weight, but this was not about entering the incorrect weight into the FMGS, but rather incorrect speeds.
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Snake man,
You gotta be joking right?
If they truely retrain guys on the 343 in random order, they just opened themselves a big big can of nasty worms...To be honest... it wouldn't surprise me AT ALL after all the cr@p they produced last 6 months.
Might be a nice subject for the commanders conference to stirr the pot...
This gest@p0 way of managing will explode in their faces sooner than later. What a disgrace. I'm really ashamed to be working for this outfit.
You gotta be joking right?
If they truely retrain guys on the 343 in random order, they just opened themselves a big big can of nasty worms...To be honest... it wouldn't surprise me AT ALL after all the cr@p they produced last 6 months.
Might be a nice subject for the commanders conference to stirr the pot...
This gest@p0 way of managing will explode in their faces sooner than later. What a disgrace. I'm really ashamed to be working for this outfit.
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Was delayed more than an hour and a half this morning due to "an aircraft evacuation" closed the airport for close to an hour.
Apparently some problem during takeoff on 12R.
Aircraft had been removed before we taxied.
Have no more to add than that!
Anybody know more?
Apparently some problem during takeoff on 12R.
Aircraft had been removed before we taxied.
Have no more to add than that!
Anybody know more?
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Can not give you any details as to the nature of the incident, but here is a short breakdown of what happened to the traffic inbound to DXB.
Hold all traffic.
5 minutes later - OK, bring them in.
2 minutes after that - No wait, hold them again.
About 10 minutes later - OK, start running them in.
1 minute later - Sorry, hold them again.
5 minutes after that - Bring them in.
X minutes later - Yeah, you guessed it.
Finally, they all go in.
Without a shadow of doubt, the most amateur of amateur displays by any airport authority I've witnessed in twenty years. And from what was inferred, by sources that will remain unnamed, some meddling from EK Ops into the Fire & Rescue Services' business.
Before I get crucified here by all at APP, you guys were only the messenger of this splendid display of incompetence.
Hold all traffic.
5 minutes later - OK, bring them in.
2 minutes after that - No wait, hold them again.
About 10 minutes later - OK, start running them in.
1 minute later - Sorry, hold them again.
5 minutes after that - Bring them in.
X minutes later - Yeah, you guessed it.
Finally, they all go in.
Without a shadow of doubt, the most amateur of amateur displays by any airport authority I've witnessed in twenty years. And from what was inferred, by sources that will remain unnamed, some meddling from EK Ops into the Fire & Rescue Services' business.
Before I get crucified here by all at APP, you guys were only the messenger of this splendid display of incompetence.
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Media conference on Thursday
AND back to the topic..
MEDIA ALERT : 28 April 2009 - ATSB Preliminary Factual Report: A340-500 Tail Strike at Melbourne Airport, 20 March 2009
MEDIA ALERT
2009/04
ATSB Preliminary Factual Report: A340-500 Tail Strike at Melbourne Airport, 20 March 2009
28 April 2009
A media conference to release the Preliminary Factual Report on the investigation into the circumstances surrounding the A340-500 Tail Strike at Melbourne Airport on 20 March 2009, will be held on: Thursday 30 April 2009
Where: ATSB offices, Level 2, 62 Northbourne Avenue, CANBERRA
Time: 10:30 am (local time)
Mr Julian Walsh, Director of Aviation Safety Investigation will discuss factual information known to the investigation team at this time and will outline the investigation process.
Media Contact: 1800 020 616
MEDIA ALERT : 28 April 2009 - ATSB Preliminary Factual Report: A340-500 Tail Strike at Melbourne Airport, 20 March 2009
MEDIA ALERT
2009/04
ATSB Preliminary Factual Report: A340-500 Tail Strike at Melbourne Airport, 20 March 2009
28 April 2009
A media conference to release the Preliminary Factual Report on the investigation into the circumstances surrounding the A340-500 Tail Strike at Melbourne Airport on 20 March 2009, will be held on: Thursday 30 April 2009
Where: ATSB offices, Level 2, 62 Northbourne Avenue, CANBERRA
Time: 10:30 am (local time)
Mr Julian Walsh, Director of Aviation Safety Investigation will discuss factual information known to the investigation team at this time and will outline the investigation process.
Media Contact: 1800 020 616
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I'm the Sunday Herald Sun reporter in Melbourne, Australia, who has been reporting on the EK407 tailstrike. Apologies for gate-crashing your site.
If any pilot, crew or passenger has information for me about this, or about any other issues at Emirates, I'd love to hear from you. My email address is [email protected]
kind regards,
Ellen Whinnett
If any pilot, crew or passenger has information for me about this, or about any other issues at Emirates, I'd love to hear from you. My email address is [email protected]
kind regards,
Ellen Whinnett
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Ellen , we would love too. BUt there is such distrust here that we dont even believe you are who you say you are.( i.e. you could be investigative management) We also are not allowed to release any info to the press as that would we a terminable offence. Your best source of info will be reading between the lines on this website. All pilots are are living with fear of reprisal.
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Fourgolds, I understand your mistrust, but judging by her e-mail address I am guessing she is legit. Here is your opportunity to send her info ANONYMOUSLY. Cut her some slack, she might be able to shine a light on all your complaints.
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Sunday Herald Sun
Hi again, for those of you who understandably have concerns as to my bona fides, all I can do is invite you to research me on-line, or you can find me on Facebook. Any information will be treated in the strictest of confidence.
regards,
Ellen
regards,
Ellen
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There are numerous Emirates threads here regarding pilot fatigue, mismanagement, pilot sackings, a 'commanders conference' (damage limitation) and many others but I think you'll be hard pushed to get a quote.
I hide behind the anonymity these forums give because I know and have felt the consequences of being 'open'. Pprune is a symptom of the unease in EK, not the cause. Many have warned and many have lost their positions within the company for expressing the opinion that we were at risk of a serious incident. Instead of listening they replace the experienced well respected with the 'yes' men.
The reason Pprune is so frequently visited is because of the mistrust and the closed culture in Emirates.
In a place where phones are tapped and the internet is closely monitored it pays to be paranoid and they are on a mission to get scapegoats. It is never 'their' fault but always the pilots. This is the mentality that many airlines had to shed in the past exactly because of the direct impact it had on flight safety. But we're not in the right part of the world to discuss this.
It is all in the appearance not the substance.
I hide behind the anonymity these forums give because I know and have felt the consequences of being 'open'. Pprune is a symptom of the unease in EK, not the cause. Many have warned and many have lost their positions within the company for expressing the opinion that we were at risk of a serious incident. Instead of listening they replace the experienced well respected with the 'yes' men.
The reason Pprune is so frequently visited is because of the mistrust and the closed culture in Emirates.
In a place where phones are tapped and the internet is closely monitored it pays to be paranoid and they are on a mission to get scapegoats. It is never 'their' fault but always the pilots. This is the mentality that many airlines had to shed in the past exactly because of the direct impact it had on flight safety. But we're not in the right part of the world to discuss this.
It is all in the appearance not the substance.
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Ellen, first hint: drop your "shock, horror!" line on the use of flexible thrust. You won't find an airline out there that doesn't use it.
If I could use a (perhaps slightly oversimplified) analogy, do you floor the accelerator until you reach cruising speed every time you pull off from a park or the lights, or use just enough to pull away comfortablly?
Flex T/O, (or, on a Boeing, 'assumed temperature') is standard industry practice. When flex thrust is used correctly, the aircraft can suffer an engine failure at the most inopportune moment, (just before it reaches takeoff speed), and continue a safe takeoff, meeting all performance requirements, without the need to advance the power setting on the remaining engine(s).
Instead, you might ask what multiple [note that word 'multiple'] factors could lead an otherwise professional and able crew* not to follow all the clearly laid down procedures that are designed to trap any such error.
* (Which they proved themselves to be in the 40 minutes that followed the tailscrape that resulted from their making that one awful mistake.)
If I could use a (perhaps slightly oversimplified) analogy, do you floor the accelerator until you reach cruising speed every time you pull off from a park or the lights, or use just enough to pull away comfortablly?
Flex T/O, (or, on a Boeing, 'assumed temperature') is standard industry practice. When flex thrust is used correctly, the aircraft can suffer an engine failure at the most inopportune moment, (just before it reaches takeoff speed), and continue a safe takeoff, meeting all performance requirements, without the need to advance the power setting on the remaining engine(s).
Instead, you might ask what multiple [note that word 'multiple'] factors could lead an otherwise professional and able crew* not to follow all the clearly laid down procedures that are designed to trap any such error.
* (Which they proved themselves to be in the 40 minutes that followed the tailscrape that resulted from their making that one awful mistake.)
A herald sun reporter; thats the answer to whom I would rate in the same category as EK management and those chaps who ring selling the worlds best investment advice.
Stay clear of this one fellas.
Don
Stay clear of this one fellas.
Don
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I don't know about that Don, I think the biggest life line we could ask for would be exposure of the operation from someone outside the company. The bosses would love the whole thing to be kept in-house. Imagine another 20 and a bit years of this till retirement.
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Ellen, why not talking with those around 10 pilots already fired in a single week or so ? They should have plenty of goodies for you and they are free to speakout....them.
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Wayne krr (!!) - so the fact that you have 20 and a bit years to retirement means that they can narrow down who you are somewhat!
Remember, just cos you only think that the barstewards are out to get you doesn't mean to say that they aren't!
Sorry, thought the above was in keeping with the general air of paranoia that is present....
Remember, just cos you only think that the barstewards are out to get you doesn't mean to say that they aren't!
Sorry, thought the above was in keeping with the general air of paranoia that is present....
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Ellen is trying to do her job as best she can, as were the pilots on the EK407 that sad day. There is a reporter IMO Opinion who has opened up a line of voice if you peeps choose to vent your concerns other than on this site. It was not just the pilots fault!! The management have accpeted NOW the company made a mistake as they are publishing the new procedure for TOW calculation which removes possible errors the crew made that day.....so was it all the crews fault? Possibly the company could back up the calculation on the loadsheet that prints into the cockpit but that would be liablity other than the pilots and they are easy to fire (10 in a week). What about the Lufthansa technique of uploading the speeds like we do the flightplan, then get the pilots to check the calculation, but then again leave it to the pilots as they are easy to fire (10 IN A WEEK). It was a rule book made by the company that was as fallible (erroneous) AS THE PILOTS MISTAKE THAT DAY, SO WHO WAS TO BLAME????? THERE WAS MORE THAN 1 SET OF MISTAKES IN THE COCKPIT (COMPANY) THAT DAY!!