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No days off campaign?
As employees we have to help the company to improve the safety standard and the enviroment.
No days off campaign for what? And when? Who is joining? Too many variables.
One thing a time.
First of all june rosters must be published at least on 24 of may, if not A.A. must resign immediately otherwise we don't fly on days off.
If on June rosters, as rumors say, there will be only turn around flight also for the flight deck crew, we don't fly on days off and we don't go discretion.
This is an idea, we are giving the opportunity to our CEO to act immediately and restore trust to his pilots.
I'm pretty sure he is available to collaborate.
No days off campaign for what? And when? Who is joining? Too many variables.
One thing a time.
First of all june rosters must be published at least on 24 of may, if not A.A. must resign immediately otherwise we don't fly on days off.
If on June rosters, as rumors say, there will be only turn around flight also for the flight deck crew, we don't fly on days off and we don't go discretion.
This is an idea, we are giving the opportunity to our CEO to act immediately and restore trust to his pilots.
I'm pretty sure he is available to collaborate.
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Hi,
I have question and it;s off topic so sorry for any trouble. Is it true that GF has amended a new policy for new Second Officers to pay half of the Simulator training?
Thank you
I have question and it;s off topic so sorry for any trouble. Is it true that GF has amended a new policy for new Second Officers to pay half of the Simulator training?
Thank you
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Oh stop being silly billies !
Mate of mine was called in for being man enough to refuse very considerable change to his SBY call in. Twirp Fleet Manager offerd him some old 'conditions of employment book' intended for toilet cleaners, where it does say that refusal to extend a duty , it being a reasonable request to do so, would be subject to disciplinary action.
My mate pointed out that the Bahrain CAA might be very interested in this, because any Management request for a Captain to, extend a Duty Period, might be considered, a reasonable management request. Refusal would be subject to disciplinary action.
Glum expressions from the twirps led to my mate being given a Warning letter !!
And you really think you can improve things ???
Pink Palace, welcome. But you have no chance.
Mate of mine was called in for being man enough to refuse very considerable change to his SBY call in. Twirp Fleet Manager offerd him some old 'conditions of employment book' intended for toilet cleaners, where it does say that refusal to extend a duty , it being a reasonable request to do so, would be subject to disciplinary action.
My mate pointed out that the Bahrain CAA might be very interested in this, because any Management request for a Captain to, extend a Duty Period, might be considered, a reasonable management request. Refusal would be subject to disciplinary action.
Glum expressions from the twirps led to my mate being given a Warning letter !!
And you really think you can improve things ???
Pink Palace, welcome. But you have no chance.
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One thing a time.
Dear Landscape,
Thanks a lot, but probably I'm more senior than you in the Company, anyway thanks.
I disagree, at least if we read the "worldwide" regulamentations and FDP, included Bahrain CAA.
Third, and probably more important, if you read carefully my post you find this thing:
and this
The reasoning is simple and is the same that i tried to catch from you in my first post:
Are we sure that the problem is Majali and the Embraer?
Maybe we have many other problems that cause more stress to our life and that are easier to solve. Maybe.
Happy Landings from The Pink Palace.
Pink Palace, welcome. But you have no chance.
My mate pointed out that the Bahrain CAA might be very interested in this, because any Management request for a Captain to, extend a Duty Period, might be considered, a reasonable management request. Refusal would be subject to disciplinary action.
Third, and probably more important, if you read carefully my post you find this thing:
As employees we have to help the company to improve the safety standard and the enviroment.
No days off campaign for what? And when? Who is joining? Too many variables.
No days off campaign for what? And when? Who is joining? Too many variables.
This is an idea, we are giving the opportunity to our CEO to act immediately and restore trust to his pilots.
The reasoning is simple and is the same that i tried to catch from you in my first post:
Are we sure that the problem is Majali and the Embraer?
Maybe we have many other problems that cause more stress to our life and that are easier to solve. Maybe.
Happy Landings from The Pink Palace.
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pinkpalce is on to something!!!! the real problems here have nothing to do with the Embraers. This experiment just highlights all the inadquate parts of the company and coordination amungst everyone in the pink palace. IMO there are a few major things that effect a pilot life.
1. PAY
2. Roster
3. Aircraft/route
4. Company philosophy
I believe numbers 2 and 4 are not worth talking about anymore due to the fact our opinions on safety and quality of life have absolutely no impact as AA is running the show and it is more like a complete mess. Anyways guys good luck and stay safe!
1. PAY
2. Roster
3. Aircraft/route
4. Company philosophy
I believe numbers 2 and 4 are not worth talking about anymore due to the fact our opinions on safety and quality of life have absolutely no impact as AA is running the show and it is more like a complete mess. Anyways guys good luck and stay safe!
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1,2,3,4 in sequence!
Dear DesertHawk, you are absolutely right, but I'm not sure that points 2 and 4 are impossible to change.
Synopsis:
1) Pay
I think we can't complain about it, however if they give a pay rise I think we all agree.
2) Roster: this part is very nice because is the only one that arranges all kinds of pilots: TRIs/TREs, Captains, SFOs, FOs, SOs and also the Cadets already know that something will be wrong in their future. So, wait and see.
3) Aircraft/Route: Aircraft is not our problem if we are talking about the model but is a big problem if we are talking about MELs.
Routes are commercially decided, I'would love to go to N.Y. instead of Dhaka but this is the business.
4) Company philosophy.
50 % is ruled by the management, 50 % is our duty, I honestly can understand all the complains about the first fifty percent, but at least I try to do something everyday to improve our 50%.
Think Pink.
Synopsis:
1) Pay
I think we can't complain about it, however if they give a pay rise I think we all agree.
2) Roster: this part is very nice because is the only one that arranges all kinds of pilots: TRIs/TREs, Captains, SFOs, FOs, SOs and also the Cadets already know that something will be wrong in their future. So, wait and see.
3) Aircraft/Route: Aircraft is not our problem if we are talking about the model but is a big problem if we are talking about MELs.
Routes are commercially decided, I'would love to go to N.Y. instead of Dhaka but this is the business.
4) Company philosophy.
50 % is ruled by the management, 50 % is our duty, I honestly can understand all the complains about the first fifty percent, but at least I try to do something everyday to improve our 50%.
Think Pink.
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Good day to all,
After long time of being a positive and waiting for a light in the end of the day,
((IM IN THE LIST!))
NO FLYING ON DAYS OFF, LEAVE AND FOR SURE NO DISCRETION !
Good luck.
After long time of being a positive and waiting for a light in the end of the day,
((IM IN THE LIST!))
NO FLYING ON DAYS OFF, LEAVE AND FOR SURE NO DISCRETION !
Good luck.
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I nominate pinkpalace, ruler and supreme king of this thread, lets group and organize, those not wanting to take part in this don't influence the thread, as in shut up enjoy your pinacoladas and reap the benefits of those that do want to do something...
guys pay is alright....roster is ****...too much power to too little of a man...route structure "what to do" I'm sure bill gates didn't like windows at first either...
lets not bite the hand that feeds but persuade it to feed nicely...so to say
NO Flying on days off for me
guys pay is alright....roster is ****...too much power to too little of a man...route structure "what to do" I'm sure bill gates didn't like windows at first either...
lets not bite the hand that feeds but persuade it to feed nicely...so to say
NO Flying on days off for me
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Well Majali is trying still trying to convince his masters that the Embraer is the perfect choice for GF-the guy has no shame but can you blame him since if the deal goes thru it will be a double hitter-commission & one of his family member will also get some benefit. His arguement now is that the E175 is not what he wanted but the 195 is the one for us!
The E175: payload 10t, pax 78 in 2 classes, range 2000nm
The E195: Payload 13t, pax 106 in 2 classes, range 2200nm
So the E195 is has 3t more payload wow but it has to carry an extra 26 pax bags but nowhere can I find out the figures of volume of cargo space available,since that is the problem for us cos most of our pax travel with suitcases & if the E175 couldn't handle 60 suitcases, unless the E195 has almost twice as much cargo volume available then it's another monumental f*** up.
The E175: payload 10t, pax 78 in 2 classes, range 2000nm
The E195: Payload 13t, pax 106 in 2 classes, range 2200nm
So the E195 is has 3t more payload wow but it has to carry an extra 26 pax bags but nowhere can I find out the figures of volume of cargo space available,since that is the problem for us cos most of our pax travel with suitcases & if the E175 couldn't handle 60 suitcases, unless the E195 has almost twice as much cargo volume available then it's another monumental f*** up.
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Hate to point it out, but GF has the 170 so far, not the 175. Check your numbers. www.embraer.com might help
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E170 11.80 m³ v E195 22.39 m³
FORWARD CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
EMBRAER 170 models, length units in meter, feet and inch
Cargo Compartment Available Volume (useful) 7.21 m³ 254.60 ft³
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m² 100 lb/ft²
Total Maximum Capacity 1370 kg 3020 lb
FORWARD CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
EMBRAER 190 Models
Cargo Compartment Available Volume (useful) 10.83 m³ 382.50 ft³
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m² 100 lb/ft²
Total Maximum Capacity 1850 kg 4079 lb
AFT CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
EMBRAER 170 models, length units in meter, feet and inch
Cargo Compartment Available Volume (useful) 4.59 m³ 162.10 ft³
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m² 100 lb/ft²
Total Maximum Capacity 1030 kg 2271 lb
AFT CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
EMBRAER 190 models, equipped with IFE
Cargo Compartment Available Volume (useful) 7.64 m³ 269.80 ft³
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m² 100 lb/ft²
Total Maximum Capacity 1440 kg 3175 lb
FORWARD CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS E195
Cargo Compartment Available Volume
(usable)
11.14 m3 393.40 ft3
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m2 100 lb/ft2
Total Maximum Capacity 1900 kg 4188 lb
AFT CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
Cargo Compartment Available Volume
(usable)
11.25 m3 397.30 ft3
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m2 100 lb/ft2
Total Maximum Capacity 1800 kg 3968 lb
FORWARD CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
EMBRAER 170 models, length units in meter, feet and inch
Cargo Compartment Available Volume (useful) 7.21 m³ 254.60 ft³
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m² 100 lb/ft²
Total Maximum Capacity 1370 kg 3020 lb
FORWARD CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
EMBRAER 190 Models
Cargo Compartment Available Volume (useful) 10.83 m³ 382.50 ft³
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m² 100 lb/ft²
Total Maximum Capacity 1850 kg 4079 lb
AFT CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
EMBRAER 170 models, length units in meter, feet and inch
Cargo Compartment Available Volume (useful) 4.59 m³ 162.10 ft³
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m² 100 lb/ft²
Total Maximum Capacity 1030 kg 2271 lb
AFT CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
EMBRAER 190 models, equipped with IFE
Cargo Compartment Available Volume (useful) 7.64 m³ 269.80 ft³
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m² 100 lb/ft²
Total Maximum Capacity 1440 kg 3175 lb
FORWARD CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS E195
Cargo Compartment Available Volume
(usable)
11.14 m3 393.40 ft3
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m2 100 lb/ft2
Total Maximum Capacity 1900 kg 4188 lb
AFT CARGO COMPARTMENT LIMITS
Cargo Compartment Available Volume
(usable)
11.25 m3 397.30 ft3
Maximum Floor Distributed Load 488 kg/m2 100 lb/ft2
Total Maximum Capacity 1800 kg 3968 lb
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Any word on the details of Mr. Majali's presentation today of a Redundancy Package? I heard it has some attractive terms and a number of people leaving the meeting were heard saying that they would go.
Unfortunately, I fear that it will bring the undesirable aspects that redundancy packages generally bring. The brightest people, the high performers, take it-- seeing it as a nice cash bonus and knowing that they can go somewhere else to continue a good career while some of the people who stay are the ones who know that they would be dead meat out in the job market.
As for budgetbudgie's post regarding Parliament's plea to sack the Board, ok, maybe we can compile their wish list:
1) Ban alcohol,
2) Make any an all contact with Isreal illegal,
3) Intensify internet censorship,
4) Sack Gulf Air board . . .
What else?
Unfortunately, I fear that it will bring the undesirable aspects that redundancy packages generally bring. The brightest people, the high performers, take it-- seeing it as a nice cash bonus and knowing that they can go somewhere else to continue a good career while some of the people who stay are the ones who know that they would be dead meat out in the job market.
As for budgetbudgie's post regarding Parliament's plea to sack the Board, ok, maybe we can compile their wish list:
1) Ban alcohol,
2) Make any an all contact with Isreal illegal,
3) Intensify internet censorship,
4) Sack Gulf Air board . . .
What else?
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Redundancy Package
Hi Panama,
if you check mygulfair.com, under the picture of the chief there's a link with all the informations and a software that permit to calculate the amount offered. Is available both arabic and english.
Greetings from the palace!
if you check mygulfair.com, under the picture of the chief there's a link with all the informations and a software that permit to calculate the amount offered. Is available both arabic and english.
Greetings from the palace!
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What do you think about?
Gulf Air launches voluntary retirement scheme
Manama: 7 minutes ago
"Gulf Air today announced a voluntary redundancy/ retirement scheme (VRS) for its employees aimed at optimising its workforce and improving efficiency.
The initiative is part of the airline’s new strategy to create a dynamic and commercially sustainable national airline serving the people and the economy of Bahrain, said a statement.
“A key part of our strategy is to review all cost elements of the business that have an impact on its sustainability and profitability. This included personnel-related costs. Offering a VRS was one of the suggestions put forward by employees and employee representatives to address this issue,” said Samer Majali, Gulf Air CEO.
“After careful consideration and a series of consultations with the Gulf Air Trade Union (GATU) and the Ministry of Labour, we have come up with a VRS that we feel offers a reasonable financial package to Bahrainis and former owner-state nationals wishing to leave Gulf Air and wanting to pursue other business or personal ventures,” he said.
Participation in the VRS is entirely voluntary and no one will be forced to take it. It is up to the individuals to decide whether they want to apply and make use of this one-time opportunity, the statement said. However, the decision to approve or reject any application will rest with a management committee.
Under the scheme, employees, who are Bahrainis or former-owner state nationals, who have worked for the company for a minimum of six months, are entitled to apply. Employees, whose applications have been approved, will receive a compensation of one month’s salary for each completed year of service, three month’s salary as an ex-gratia payment and one month’s salary in lieu of notice period.
Medical Insurance coverage will continue to be provided until March 2011 after which primary care will be provided for the employees and their eligible family members at the Gulf Air Clinic from April 1 to Dec 2011.
The employees’ staff travel benefits will be honoured until end-2010 while they will also continue to enjoy the company’s future staff travel benefits as per the Staff Travel Guide applicable to former employees. Staff, who are members of the Gulf Air Club can continue their membership until December 2011.
“While not all of the GATU's demands could be fully met, many were taken into consideration and the VRS scheme was modified to accommodate their suggestions. I was pleased with the final outcome as both Gulf Air management and GATU have became more aligned following negotiations and reached an understanding for a voluntary scheme,” said Majali.
“Whilst we are conscious of the financial impact due to the high number of employees we have on our payroll, our main priority will always be, retaining the best and most productive talent, safeguarding the jobs of Gulf Air employees who continue to work hard for Gulf Air’s long term success and future,” he said.
Majali emphasized: “Notwithstanding the VR scheme, we are actively moving on employing more Bahrainis. I am proud to say that today 82 per cent of non-flight crew positions in Bahrain are held by Bahrainis, while our overall Bahrainisation level has reached 54 per cent.”
“However, we are not stopping at that; we continue to create more opportunities to attract qualified Bahrainis. Recently we launched a campaign to recruit Bahrainis for our customer-facing positions and we recruited and trained 125 Bahrainis for our Gulf Air’s World Wide Call Centre. We also have ongoing training programmes in cooperation with Tamkeen for Bahraini pilots, engineers and cabin crew, just to name a few,” he concluded.
To assist employees in their VRS applications Gulf Air will offer a number of services including welfare and counseling support, investment guidance and for those wishing to develop additional skills Tamkeen will be available to provide advice." –TradeArabia News Service
Manama: 7 minutes ago
"Gulf Air today announced a voluntary redundancy/ retirement scheme (VRS) for its employees aimed at optimising its workforce and improving efficiency.
The initiative is part of the airline’s new strategy to create a dynamic and commercially sustainable national airline serving the people and the economy of Bahrain, said a statement.
“A key part of our strategy is to review all cost elements of the business that have an impact on its sustainability and profitability. This included personnel-related costs. Offering a VRS was one of the suggestions put forward by employees and employee representatives to address this issue,” said Samer Majali, Gulf Air CEO.
“After careful consideration and a series of consultations with the Gulf Air Trade Union (GATU) and the Ministry of Labour, we have come up with a VRS that we feel offers a reasonable financial package to Bahrainis and former owner-state nationals wishing to leave Gulf Air and wanting to pursue other business or personal ventures,” he said.
Participation in the VRS is entirely voluntary and no one will be forced to take it. It is up to the individuals to decide whether they want to apply and make use of this one-time opportunity, the statement said. However, the decision to approve or reject any application will rest with a management committee.
Under the scheme, employees, who are Bahrainis or former-owner state nationals, who have worked for the company for a minimum of six months, are entitled to apply. Employees, whose applications have been approved, will receive a compensation of one month’s salary for each completed year of service, three month’s salary as an ex-gratia payment and one month’s salary in lieu of notice period.
Medical Insurance coverage will continue to be provided until March 2011 after which primary care will be provided for the employees and their eligible family members at the Gulf Air Clinic from April 1 to Dec 2011.
The employees’ staff travel benefits will be honoured until end-2010 while they will also continue to enjoy the company’s future staff travel benefits as per the Staff Travel Guide applicable to former employees. Staff, who are members of the Gulf Air Club can continue their membership until December 2011.
“While not all of the GATU's demands could be fully met, many were taken into consideration and the VRS scheme was modified to accommodate their suggestions. I was pleased with the final outcome as both Gulf Air management and GATU have became more aligned following negotiations and reached an understanding for a voluntary scheme,” said Majali.
“Whilst we are conscious of the financial impact due to the high number of employees we have on our payroll, our main priority will always be, retaining the best and most productive talent, safeguarding the jobs of Gulf Air employees who continue to work hard for Gulf Air’s long term success and future,” he said.
Majali emphasized: “Notwithstanding the VR scheme, we are actively moving on employing more Bahrainis. I am proud to say that today 82 per cent of non-flight crew positions in Bahrain are held by Bahrainis, while our overall Bahrainisation level has reached 54 per cent.”
“However, we are not stopping at that; we continue to create more opportunities to attract qualified Bahrainis. Recently we launched a campaign to recruit Bahrainis for our customer-facing positions and we recruited and trained 125 Bahrainis for our Gulf Air’s World Wide Call Centre. We also have ongoing training programmes in cooperation with Tamkeen for Bahraini pilots, engineers and cabin crew, just to name a few,” he concluded.
To assist employees in their VRS applications Gulf Air will offer a number of services including welfare and counseling support, investment guidance and for those wishing to develop additional skills Tamkeen will be available to provide advice." –TradeArabia News Service
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Oh the lovely Embraer, GF903 to DAM returned to BAH after a nice tyre problem with the plane (MB) - I wonder how can such brand new light utilised planes can screw up