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I wouldn't go down that road mate. Your opening a can of worms. Face it, being a commercial pilot is a international business that SHOULD not have any boundries or barriers based on nationality. Experience and fit for the job/qualifications is what SHOULD count. Ready, aim, ....
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No green light yet for Iran operations: Bahrain's Gulf Air Yet to Receive Iran OK to Resume Flights -Report - Zawya
Iraq though has given it's approval but Iran's approval might come at the last minute...
Iraq though has given it's approval but Iran's approval might come at the last minute...
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western cadets graduate in continents like North America and Europe and get employed within 3-6 months by some low cost Airliner, after accumulating enough hours they come to Gulf Air (Gulf Air - Vacancy List) and we the Bahraini cadets, we dont have chance of anything.
the cycle moves on.
the cycle moves on.
Pilots in North America get their first Jet jobs based on MERIT my friend! Before you even get close to an airline job in North America you would have followed something like this road: Flight training, Flight Instructor, Air Taxi or similar logging THOUSANDS of hours and then if you're lucky enough maybe a commuter airline job flying small turboprops or if you're really lucky a small jet like a E145, whilst earning peanuts in the right seat before you're even considered for an airline job flying a A320.
Europe is a different story, where the dreams of many individuals are being milked by the commercial flight training organisations (like GAA has become now). After spending BD 75K plus there will only be enough jobs for about 10-25% of people finishing flight training. Waiting lists are often longer than 2 years (for those who find a job) and airlines offer jobs for those who are willing to pay for them, only offering temporary contracts on heavily reduced wages until aquiring a full ATPL.
The fact is that even without Gulf Air attracting expat pilots, GAA is training far more cadets than the local market can possibly absorb adopting the same business model as the big FTO's in Europe. Hence the cooperation with CAE/Oxford and Air Arabia.
Unfortunately P2F will become a reality for the local pilots as it already is for cadets all over the world.
The airline industry rather selects the cheapest instead of the best. Safety first, my **s. I rest my case.
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Face it, being a commercial pilot is a international business that SHOULD not have any boundries or barriers based on nationality. Experience and fit for the job/qualifications is what SHOULD count. Ready, aim, ....
The fact is that even without Gulf Air attracting expat pilots, GAA is training far more cadets than the local market can possibly absorb adopting the same business model as the big FTO's in Europe. Hence the cooperation with CAE/Oxford and Air Arabia.
I only can hear back my echoes!
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It's the "catch-22" scenario all airlines in the Gulf are experiencing...short of crews so the trainers fly so no resources to train the required new crew...particularly second officers as they require more training resources than a "direct entry"...but we have here at GF a relatively steady stream of second officers going through the system at any given time much more so than any other carrier here in the Gulf...
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Rumor has it that whilst enjoing the sun, safety & security in KRT we will operate to JED, MAD, KAN(Kanu) & NDJ(N'djamena). Nice. Basings will NOT be from the bottom of the seniority list.
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From what I understood from the meeting, a decision is expected in about 3 weeks about the future size of the company.
It also seems more than likely that the Saudi venture will go ahead.
It also seems more than likely that the Saudi venture will go ahead.
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Mephistopheles, you rock. Master of sarcasm which, actually, I think is the HIGHEST form of wit, It will often, when expressed, really shake up those aimed at. I tell you what, most of the posters here are showing great resolve, fantastic humour and a tremendous desire to see the company survive. I fear, terribly, that GF will never recognise the talent displayed here.
For the Cadet situation. Easy. Restore the system that Meph enjoyed & most others in GF. Select carefully (stay away from the "Wasta"). Send trainees to a proper acadamy.Graduates remain at the College and do Airline Orientated Flight Training (sim details) after frozen ATP. Guaranteed employment as Second Officers on the most jumior fleet ( continuation of training, really in Line Orientated flight Training with Training Captains and or Senior Captains willing to pass on the skills). Make this the scheme that others will want to copy. The tough part is getting the numbers right. Currently, rapid changes in the airlines requirements would not make a Cadet scheme like this viable. BA never got it right & at one time had loads of cadets in the hold pool.
GF has to steady up, predict a future & then get the recruitment & Training to a standard that could, once again, be the envy of the airline world. Heaven knows, you guys who are on these pages deserve that.
For the Cadet situation. Easy. Restore the system that Meph enjoyed & most others in GF. Select carefully (stay away from the "Wasta"). Send trainees to a proper acadamy.Graduates remain at the College and do Airline Orientated Flight Training (sim details) after frozen ATP. Guaranteed employment as Second Officers on the most jumior fleet ( continuation of training, really in Line Orientated flight Training with Training Captains and or Senior Captains willing to pass on the skills). Make this the scheme that others will want to copy. The tough part is getting the numbers right. Currently, rapid changes in the airlines requirements would not make a Cadet scheme like this viable. BA never got it right & at one time had loads of cadets in the hold pool.
GF has to steady up, predict a future & then get the recruitment & Training to a standard that could, once again, be the envy of the airline world. Heaven knows, you guys who are on these pages deserve that.
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Was free up until the Nineties, not anymore though.
A key issue missing here is the fact that all these Cadets were sent to Oxford AFTER signing a personal loan of BD50'000 (BD500 deducted monthly upon return - me thinks).
Adding A320 sim/rating would would rack up the cost to 70k, maybe more.
Would be too high a burden on these kids.
Adding A320 sim/rating would would rack up the cost to 70k, maybe more.
Would be too high a burden on these kids.
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A key issue missing here is the fact that all these Cadets were sent to Oxford AFTER signing a personal loan of BD50'000 (BD500 deducted monthly upon return - me thinks).
Adding A320 sim/rating would would rack up the cost to 70k, maybe more.
Would be too high a burden on these kids.
Adding A320 sim/rating would would rack up the cost to 70k, maybe more.
Would be too high a burden on these kids.
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Hi guys
Recently flew with you guys 4 sectors while in the Gulf and one your cabin managers said there was a rumour Sydney and Singapore may be considered again? Is this realistic or just a rumour? There was also talk of it being non stop but I dont think GF have the ac to do this. Can any version of the A330 do a non stop BAH -SYD?
Thx.
Recently flew with you guys 4 sectors while in the Gulf and one your cabin managers said there was a rumour Sydney and Singapore may be considered again? Is this realistic or just a rumour? There was also talk of it being non stop but I dont think GF have the ac to do this. Can any version of the A330 do a non stop BAH -SYD?
Thx.
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Well today is D-day for the KRT applications for those that are happy enough to blindly volunteer for a one month base & stumble into yet another colossal blunder without knowing any details of what one might be signing up for. I guess management, in their infinite wisdom, decided that we labourers were not worthy of knowing the smallest details of the wet lease agreement since we will most likely be shipped of there by force regardless.
Anyway, best of luck for those that have stuck gold & got the basing of a life time (Who knows it could be me!) & enjoy.
Anyway, best of luck for those that have stuck gold & got the basing of a life time (Who knows it could be me!) & enjoy.
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Najaf bans future GF flights
Lebanon news - NOW Lebanon -Iraq province bans Bahrain carrier flights
Good to see there's no politics going on here!?
Lebanon news - NOW Lebanon -Iraq province bans Bahrain carrier flights
Good to see there's no politics going on here!?