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These are not issues I am aware of. I'm sure I'll learn more as I finishes reading this thread. I am attempting to plan, however. That includes the little things like flight bags.
I get the feeling that managers in the ME consider their workforce indentured servants and therefore do not place much value on the same things you or I might. This is circumstance that, unfortunately I have to accept because of the hole I put myself in combined with the evolution of US airline industry. I'll either have the shackles in here under an illusion of freedom, or have them on there where at least there is no illusion and they will provide a means of at least meeting my obligations.
I get the feeling that managers in the ME consider their workforce indentured servants and therefore do not place much value on the same things you or I might. This is circumstance that, unfortunately I have to accept because of the hole I put myself in combined with the evolution of US airline industry. I'll either have the shackles in here under an illusion of freedom, or have them on there where at least there is no illusion and they will provide a means of at least meeting my obligations.
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Seb, fair point and well reasoned... albeit that an interesting aspect you might (also) like to consider is that FZ's passengers can plan for & book a flight many months in advance of their travel date (and for which FZ take their money), and yet for the aircrew it's seemingly as if the whole thing is dependent upon a last-minute sprinkle of some magic pixie dust on top of a crystal ball which they use to determine the flying program for the following month. And as this last minute roster publication has been going on for 50 months, mgmnt excuses are wearing a bit thin!
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I don't think it's something that they consider relevant. It's how it is, take it or leave (it).....
Personally, I believe that whilst pilots can be recruited and rolled off the production line, pilot welfare is way down on the list of things to do. Should that situation change, then you may see improvements in the day to day life of pilots.
Rosters delivered just days before you need them, minimum rest between duties, alternating days/nights and single days off have been the norm for so long now. If management had the inclination to change anything they would have done by now.....
Personally, I believe that whilst pilots can be recruited and rolled off the production line, pilot welfare is way down on the list of things to do. Should that situation change, then you may see improvements in the day to day life of pilots.
Rosters delivered just days before you need them, minimum rest between duties, alternating days/nights and single days off have been the norm for so long now. If management had the inclination to change anything they would have done by now.....
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Well said OKC
The rosters were probably 99.9% finished on Thursday at 3pm, but why release them early when you can hold them till after the weekend! Can't wait for what new surprises PBS will hold.
What's even more disgusting is the endless surveys where we are asked to give "honest" feedback only to have our opinions tossed in the nearest bin
The rosters were probably 99.9% finished on Thursday at 3pm, but why release them early when you can hold them till after the weekend! Can't wait for what new surprises PBS will hold. What's even more disgusting is the endless surveys where we are asked to give "honest" feedback only to have our opinions tossed in the nearest bin
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Given that it's now +4 years since start of flight operations within FZ, the fact that the roster is STILL published only days prior to it becoming active is a incompetent f'ing disgrace!
What's even more disgusting is the endless surveys where we are asked to give "honest" feedback only to have our opinions tossed in the nearest bin
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2:30am... tick tock, tick tock, tick tock!
Can someone please confirm to me that FZ is indeed a 24/7/365 airline and, if so, where's my f'ing roster for month September?!
But ah yes, I forgot, certain office staff don't work night shifts do they (unlike the aircrew), and / or that certain office staff can plan their life months in advance, can't they (unlike the aircrew).
One suspects that the subliminal message one can obtain from this is that the aircrew can go f'&ck themselves and aren't entitled to 'have a life'... uhm, but - whilst not wishing to be awkward - please do remind me again what CAR OPS 1.1105.c (OMA 7.2.c) says about this?!
Aside - Can someone also please tell me why, in a supposedly 24/7/365 airline, the aircrew have to resort to procuring their pre-briefing beverages from out of a disgusting vending machine, i.e. because the folks in the 'Bean & Gone' concession (name escape me) have seemingly revised their opening hours; typically meaning that they are always closed whenever I go to work (that being mostly at night).
Fwiw, here's how one of my 'buckets' is looking right now:
Can someone please confirm to me that FZ is indeed a 24/7/365 airline and, if so, where's my f'ing roster for month September?!
But ah yes, I forgot, certain office staff don't work night shifts do they (unlike the aircrew), and / or that certain office staff can plan their life months in advance, can't they (unlike the aircrew).
One suspects that the subliminal message one can obtain from this is that the aircrew can go f'&ck themselves and aren't entitled to 'have a life'... uhm, but - whilst not wishing to be awkward - please do remind me again what CAR OPS 1.1105.c (OMA 7.2.c) says about this?!
Aside - Can someone also please tell me why, in a supposedly 24/7/365 airline, the aircrew have to resort to procuring their pre-briefing beverages from out of a disgusting vending machine, i.e. because the folks in the 'Bean & Gone' concession (name escape me) have seemingly revised their opening hours; typically meaning that they are always closed whenever I go to work (that being mostly at night).
Fwiw, here's how one of my 'buckets' is looking right now:
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flymetodubai: The reference to the availability (or not) of coffee was 'emblematic'. E.g. if you've been in FZ long enough, you'll certainly recall the debacle of the aircrew being banned from using the 'staff' car park (seemingly on the basis that without a desk in the office we were not considered worthy)?! So the fact that, during office hours, all's available, but during non-office hours it's like the Mary Celeste, these are the sort of things that reveal the attitude of mind.
Now I was hoping that this airline would indeed become the "SouthWest of the Middle East" (much as KG said to me, during my interview back in 2008), but, let's be honest, it's not even close and here's an interesting little parlour game we can all play: "Name me anything in FZ that has got better in the last +4 years?"
You see, and as far as I can tell: The rosters are still far from desired (and late). The package is fundamentally the same (though, and before you say it, the 'bonus' paid in 2013 was used as an offset against any increase in salary or allowances and, being un-contractual, they don't have to pay it in the future, and / or how do you know if the 'target' was made or not, wherein it's not like they publish their end of year accounts now, is it?! Fwiw, I have a sneaky suspicion that the 'target', i.e. for triggering the bonus payment in 2014, will just be missed and, in spite of all your ever so hard work, you won't get the bonus in 2014 - ahhh, never mind, suckers!... and, as precedent to that, see also Emirates' bonus in 2012 & 2013). Some might try and suggest that the healthcare cover has got better (remembering that it was slashed after year 1), but it's really only back to what it was when we first started. I suppose that if you've kids in school in Dubai that the increase in the education allowance was welcome, though parents are still having to put their hands (deep) into their pockets to cover the costs. Etc...
As for PB solving the roster crisis, I admire your optimism, though I suspect you'll be disappointed and will see a lot of what could be days-off being filled with inane standby's.
For my own part, having recently shaken off a nasty dose of Stockholm Syndrome, I have set the wheels in motion to leave asap... wherein I have truly had enough of both Dubai and FZ; and I'm far from alone in that sentiment!
Now I was hoping that this airline would indeed become the "SouthWest of the Middle East" (much as KG said to me, during my interview back in 2008), but, let's be honest, it's not even close and here's an interesting little parlour game we can all play: "Name me anything in FZ that has got better in the last +4 years?"
You see, and as far as I can tell: The rosters are still far from desired (and late). The package is fundamentally the same (though, and before you say it, the 'bonus' paid in 2013 was used as an offset against any increase in salary or allowances and, being un-contractual, they don't have to pay it in the future, and / or how do you know if the 'target' was made or not, wherein it's not like they publish their end of year accounts now, is it?! Fwiw, I have a sneaky suspicion that the 'target', i.e. for triggering the bonus payment in 2014, will just be missed and, in spite of all your ever so hard work, you won't get the bonus in 2014 - ahhh, never mind, suckers!... and, as precedent to that, see also Emirates' bonus in 2012 & 2013). Some might try and suggest that the healthcare cover has got better (remembering that it was slashed after year 1), but it's really only back to what it was when we first started. I suppose that if you've kids in school in Dubai that the increase in the education allowance was welcome, though parents are still having to put their hands (deep) into their pockets to cover the costs. Etc...
As for PB solving the roster crisis, I admire your optimism, though I suspect you'll be disappointed and will see a lot of what could be days-off being filled with inane standby's.
For my own part, having recently shaken off a nasty dose of Stockholm Syndrome, I have set the wheels in motion to leave asap... wherein I have truly had enough of both Dubai and FZ; and I'm far from alone in that sentiment!
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Don't know mate...was hoping someone could share some light. Then again, nothing is going to help until the airline is manned properly. I would bet there is a link between lack of flyers and management bonus...therefore this place will always be a mess. With that, we have a group leaving and more to follow. In an odd way, is this a first example of perpetual motion???
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I heard that PBS was put on hold!
For a couple I know it's the only carrot keeping them here.....OKC, the man (often) in the know, you got any gen on that?
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Wrt to an apparently now delayed implementation of the PBS, rumours abound:
- It was run in a test mode which seemingly resulted in some flights being over-crewed, and yet others not being crewed at all?
- Insufficient crew numbers to cope with the flying program resulting in the PBS failing to deliver the much vaunted improvements in lifestyle?
- Loss of control of the crews schedules would diminish certain departmental fiefdoms; which - to some at least - would seemingly be a truly deplorable situation?
- ...?
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Should PBS prove to be nothing more than a smoke screen, then i'm afraid it's time up for me. I am done with unsafe rosters with no life in between. Application time.......
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1. It was run in a test mode which seemingly resulted in some flights being over-crewed, and yet others not being crewed at all?
2. Insufficient crew numbers to cope with the flying program resulting in the PBS failing to deliver the much vaunted improvements in lifestyle?
3. Loss of control of the crews schedules would diminish certain departmental fiefdoms; which - to some at least - would seemingly be a truly deplorable situation?
...?
2. Insufficient crew numbers to cope with the flying program resulting in the PBS failing to deliver the much vaunted improvements in lifestyle?
3. Loss of control of the crews schedules would diminish certain departmental fiefdoms; which - to some at least - would seemingly be a truly deplorable situation?
...?
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