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Non type rated
My application has been sitting "passed" on the 1st stage for months, but no oportunities for Non B737 rated assessments. Do they have enough rated guys, and the non rated will be sitting forever?
Thanks for any insight
Thanks for any insight
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I'm not too sure if they have a lot of applications on file or not. I do know they will be needing pilots for a while.
Recruiting/Training department is a bit saturated at the moment. Applicants who passed the assessment in June/July are being offered class dates for as far as January 2014 for non type rated guys/gals. Pilots with 737 type rating that pass the assessment start within 1-2 months.
Hang in there, I think they'll open up assessment days for non type rated eventually...
Recruiting/Training department is a bit saturated at the moment. Applicants who passed the assessment in June/July are being offered class dates for as far as January 2014 for non type rated guys/gals. Pilots with 737 type rating that pass the assessment start within 1-2 months.
Hang in there, I think they'll open up assessment days for non type rated eventually...
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Read we're launching a second daily Kiev rotation to compliment the daily KBP, but this time it's to Kiev Zhuliany.
Also heard Madinah, Saudi, is to start around Aug/Sep and Budapest is being talked about. Potentially a launch of Madurai, India, 'confirmed' here: (source)
Also heard Madinah, Saudi, is to start around Aug/Sep and Budapest is being talked about. Potentially a launch of Madurai, India, 'confirmed' here: (source)
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Flydubai Assestment with CTC
I just want be short and concise.
After 7 months for application to be accepted. 4 weeks to get the appointment for the assessment. 26 hours travel and US$ 2500 expenses for interview.
A group of 8 divided in 2 teams of 4 each. Red and Blue. Almost all with similar qualifications, some with jet experience some without it. Some type rated and some none.
I was in the Red team. We did the group exercise while the blue team was doing the PILAPT test.
We lasted 10 min for the first exercise plus the 2 min each for explaining (Just as the previous comment)We discussed very friendly and respectful towards each other, we all had our opinions and we agreed on the points to expose. We nailed the timing for the discussion and each got their 2 minutes to expose.
After,we got the Lost on the Moon exercise. Same as before. Discussed the best options, agreed on some, disagreed on others but at the end we came to a conclusion.
Again, all the time very friendly, polite and professional. We managed timing very well at this one too.
When we finished the exercise we ALL felt good about it. We thought that we had a good performance as a group.
After that we did the PILAPT test. Only 3 tests of about 40 to 60 SECONDS each. (Cross hairs, Cross hairs with colored shapes and numbers and cross hairs with colored shapes and numbers plus a backward counting sound) With the option to practice for 20 to 30 SECONDS. It was very hard to control since the Joystick is very sensitive and in some cases it reverses and the inputs have to be switched (left to go Right, Down to go UP and Vice versa)
After talking to the other applicants we were pretty much on the same level on the PILAPT test. So the 8 of us were very anxious on having the results.
After lunch SURPRISE!!!! Sue asked 3 of the red Team (including me) and 1 of the Blue Team to follow her to the conference room where the bad news where given. The room fell with sadness and disappointment.
Now my insights of the process:
Apparently very friendly people and make you feel comfortable all the time.
First thing I smelled fishy :
During the "presentation" the 8 of us were sitting on a big conference round table. Not much to show at this time right? Except showing interest and paying attention to what Julianne (Name of the person doing the presentation) and sitting in straight and properly ( we all were doing that)BUT at the last corner behind us there was Terry sitting and writing like a machine.(hard to ignore that) and I remember Julianne saying that we shouldn't worry about her that she was there to "evaluate" her in the presentation. I remember as well Julianne talking about CTC background and history and she mentioned that she has being working there for 10 or 15 years (Don't remember the exact time)
Now, who's going to evaluate a person who's just doing a presentation and that has being working in the same place for so many years?
What kind of insight can they have of people just sitting down paying attention to a presentation? This is one thing to think about!
Another situation, the PILAPT test:
Who can determine in a combined test of 3 minutes (where pretty much all of us got the same results) whether you are a good pilot or not? Specially when you are not familiar with the Joystick sensitivity and even worse making the controls reverse during the test.. Airplanes if you push you go down if you pull you go up!! As simple as that!!!Another thing to think about!!!
And last but not least.. What are they looking for on the group exercises? I believe we did a decent job as group and that almost all of us got chopped at the first cut.
Another hint that make me thing that there's more behind CTC that meets the eye is that when Sue gave us the "bad" news she suggested us to look into a web page about CRM exercises and methods. So this make me think that no matter what the PILAPT test result is they know how many they will fail every day from I don't know what basis and based on their perception of the group exercise.
My sincere opinion and you can take it or leave it. But it will save you time, money and a very bitter moment.
DO NOT APPLY TO FLYDUBAI AS SOON AS CTC IS INVOLVED!!!!
I will love to try again but not to CTC. I flew 26 hours for this assessment and got well prepared with some interview questions and answers. Researched on leadership and CRM. Practiced some sample tests, etc.I got a nice suit and I was behaving very professional, friendly and adequate but it looks that none of these is good enough for CTC.
I believe we did a great job on the group exercise. None of this show how good or bad pilot am I but the "evaluation" of 3 Ladies of I don't know what!!!!
Maybe CTC rate is 2% from outside and 98% from their own school.. Think about it, they SELL pilot Licenses and Type ratings including a chance to apply to an airline.. Why the want to have more from outside if they can offer that to the ones who are paying for their type?? Just thinking on different possibilities and trying to find reasonable answers.
I hope it helps and that my experience will open the eyes of some out there who want as badly as I did to have the chance for flydubai but the odds are against the majority.
Thank You
After 7 months for application to be accepted. 4 weeks to get the appointment for the assessment. 26 hours travel and US$ 2500 expenses for interview.
A group of 8 divided in 2 teams of 4 each. Red and Blue. Almost all with similar qualifications, some with jet experience some without it. Some type rated and some none.
I was in the Red team. We did the group exercise while the blue team was doing the PILAPT test.
We lasted 10 min for the first exercise plus the 2 min each for explaining (Just as the previous comment)We discussed very friendly and respectful towards each other, we all had our opinions and we agreed on the points to expose. We nailed the timing for the discussion and each got their 2 minutes to expose.
After,we got the Lost on the Moon exercise. Same as before. Discussed the best options, agreed on some, disagreed on others but at the end we came to a conclusion.
Again, all the time very friendly, polite and professional. We managed timing very well at this one too.
When we finished the exercise we ALL felt good about it. We thought that we had a good performance as a group.
After that we did the PILAPT test. Only 3 tests of about 40 to 60 SECONDS each. (Cross hairs, Cross hairs with colored shapes and numbers and cross hairs with colored shapes and numbers plus a backward counting sound) With the option to practice for 20 to 30 SECONDS. It was very hard to control since the Joystick is very sensitive and in some cases it reverses and the inputs have to be switched (left to go Right, Down to go UP and Vice versa)
After talking to the other applicants we were pretty much on the same level on the PILAPT test. So the 8 of us were very anxious on having the results.
After lunch SURPRISE!!!! Sue asked 3 of the red Team (including me) and 1 of the Blue Team to follow her to the conference room where the bad news where given. The room fell with sadness and disappointment.
Now my insights of the process:
Apparently very friendly people and make you feel comfortable all the time.
First thing I smelled fishy :
During the "presentation" the 8 of us were sitting on a big conference round table. Not much to show at this time right? Except showing interest and paying attention to what Julianne (Name of the person doing the presentation) and sitting in straight and properly ( we all were doing that)BUT at the last corner behind us there was Terry sitting and writing like a machine.(hard to ignore that) and I remember Julianne saying that we shouldn't worry about her that she was there to "evaluate" her in the presentation. I remember as well Julianne talking about CTC background and history and she mentioned that she has being working there for 10 or 15 years (Don't remember the exact time)
Now, who's going to evaluate a person who's just doing a presentation and that has being working in the same place for so many years?
What kind of insight can they have of people just sitting down paying attention to a presentation? This is one thing to think about!
Another situation, the PILAPT test:
Who can determine in a combined test of 3 minutes (where pretty much all of us got the same results) whether you are a good pilot or not? Specially when you are not familiar with the Joystick sensitivity and even worse making the controls reverse during the test.. Airplanes if you push you go down if you pull you go up!! As simple as that!!!Another thing to think about!!!
And last but not least.. What are they looking for on the group exercises? I believe we did a decent job as group and that almost all of us got chopped at the first cut.
Another hint that make me thing that there's more behind CTC that meets the eye is that when Sue gave us the "bad" news she suggested us to look into a web page about CRM exercises and methods. So this make me think that no matter what the PILAPT test result is they know how many they will fail every day from I don't know what basis and based on their perception of the group exercise.
My sincere opinion and you can take it or leave it. But it will save you time, money and a very bitter moment.
DO NOT APPLY TO FLYDUBAI AS SOON AS CTC IS INVOLVED!!!!
I will love to try again but not to CTC. I flew 26 hours for this assessment and got well prepared with some interview questions and answers. Researched on leadership and CRM. Practiced some sample tests, etc.I got a nice suit and I was behaving very professional, friendly and adequate but it looks that none of these is good enough for CTC.
I believe we did a great job on the group exercise. None of this show how good or bad pilot am I but the "evaluation" of 3 Ladies of I don't know what!!!!
Maybe CTC rate is 2% from outside and 98% from their own school.. Think about it, they SELL pilot Licenses and Type ratings including a chance to apply to an airline.. Why the want to have more from outside if they can offer that to the ones who are paying for their type?? Just thinking on different possibilities and trying to find reasonable answers.
I hope it helps and that my experience will open the eyes of some out there who want as badly as I did to have the chance for flydubai but the odds are against the majority.
Thank You
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Medina confirmed as nbr#65: Flydubai to operate to Medina | FlyDubai | AMEinfo.com
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sour grapes, ATP123?
maybe you didn't reach the required standard? just because you didn't make it doesn't deserve the response of don't apply. As far as I am aware CTC do not offer a Cadet scheme with Flydubai, so what are they to gain financially?
maybe you didn't reach the required standard? just because you didn't make it doesn't deserve the response of don't apply. As far as I am aware CTC do not offer a Cadet scheme with Flydubai, so what are they to gain financially?
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DILLIGAF,
I don't know if you are working for CTC but all I can tell you is that I have had the opportunity to meet a lot of the Flydubai pilots being gone through the CTC selection and most of them ( even the one that passed it ) mainly agree to say that they didn't really understand why they passed or why some others ( very good guys ) failed.
And from inside Flydubai I can tell you that many times this subject has been raised by the pilots during the chief pilot meetings which run around twice a month.
Many pilots have asked the company to stop using CTC and to come back to the in house selection so there is for sure a problem with CTC.
Apparently the reason for not coming back to in house is the cost being less for the company using CTC.
Without going too far with "rumours" , it seems even that some CTC employees offer some material and course to prepare for the selection , so I see their interest in failing a certain number.
On top of that the more pilot going through their selection process the more money they make as you always pay even if you fail...
At the end , maybe you are right about about the sour grapes for ATC123 BUT you may also be wrong...
I don't know if you are working for CTC but all I can tell you is that I have had the opportunity to meet a lot of the Flydubai pilots being gone through the CTC selection and most of them ( even the one that passed it ) mainly agree to say that they didn't really understand why they passed or why some others ( very good guys ) failed.
And from inside Flydubai I can tell you that many times this subject has been raised by the pilots during the chief pilot meetings which run around twice a month.
Many pilots have asked the company to stop using CTC and to come back to the in house selection so there is for sure a problem with CTC.
Apparently the reason for not coming back to in house is the cost being less for the company using CTC.
Without going too far with "rumours" , it seems even that some CTC employees offer some material and course to prepare for the selection , so I see their interest in failing a certain number.
On top of that the more pilot going through their selection process the more money they make as you always pay even if you fail...
At the end , maybe you are right about about the sour grapes for ATC123 BUT you may also be wrong...
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Guys just an observation but after 35 years in the business I would say that any outfit that outsources the selection process isn't worth working for. Especially one as big as FlyDubai.
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Well, for whatever its worth, I went through the selection process with CTC here in US. The experience was positive, not only because I was lucky enough to pass it, but all the staff was really nice and helpful. I experienced no curveballs, sleazy moves or anything like that.
But most importantly, as soon as we were done with group exercises (the first activity of the day), it was veery clear to me on who wasn't going to make it, sure enough, those got canned shortly after. If I would've been on the interviewer side I would have also rejected those guys: attitude problems, lack of initiative and willingness to participate, cockiness, suit 3 sizes too big with a 3 day old beard and shoe laces undone, etc.
I will say this tho, I have no idea how productive the joystick computer test is, the one with the shapes, numbers and such. I do think that stuff is a waist of time and not a good tool to determine if someone is a good pilot or not, but what do I know, maybe shows some parameters on psico-motor skills that I have no idea about.
It seemed they where consistent on the people they chose from our group.
My .2 cents...
But most importantly, as soon as we were done with group exercises (the first activity of the day), it was veery clear to me on who wasn't going to make it, sure enough, those got canned shortly after. If I would've been on the interviewer side I would have also rejected those guys: attitude problems, lack of initiative and willingness to participate, cockiness, suit 3 sizes too big with a 3 day old beard and shoe laces undone, etc.
I will say this tho, I have no idea how productive the joystick computer test is, the one with the shapes, numbers and such. I do think that stuff is a waist of time and not a good tool to determine if someone is a good pilot or not, but what do I know, maybe shows some parameters on psico-motor skills that I have no idea about.
It seemed they where consistent on the people they chose from our group.
My .2 cents...
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dubaigong, not gonna argue your point, it just yanks my chain when people bitch about failing at interview. It's never their fault....blah blah blah, suck it up, learn from the experience, but to argue the point that people are failing so that they can get more money from their own cadets is a bit preposterous! I can see your point about more candidates through the door, the more money they make....we'll never know the answer to that one!
oh, and no I don't work for CTC nor have any inclination to do so
oh, and no I don't work for CTC nor have any inclination to do so
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Flydubai benefits
Hi guys, just a question;
Aside of salary and benefits shown in their web page, is there anything else?
EK ID90 or something similar?
Can you enjoy your holidays in two or three periods?
And the last, how many days do you fly normally per month?
Thanks!
Aside of salary and benefits shown in their web page, is there anything else?
EK ID90 or something similar?
Can you enjoy your holidays in two or three periods?
And the last, how many days do you fly normally per month?
Thanks!
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Hey Capfo.
There are travel benefits with Emirates and Air Arabia as of now. (And FD obviously) its not quite ID90, you pay a little more and there are different "kinds" of stand by.
Yes, you can enjoy your 42 days of leave in different breaks, no less than 7 days in a row, if I remember correctly.
There is a new and fresh profit scheme available for pilots, but I dont have the details on it at hand.
As far as days off, it is my understanding that 9-11 is the norm. Closer to 9 seems more accurate. PBS is coming, dont know how that would change, if any.
Capfo, I strongly suggest you give this entire thread a good read. Sounds like you are on your early stages of research on FD. Its time consuming, but worth the read. It answers lots of questions, including the ones you are asking above.
Cheers!
V
There are travel benefits with Emirates and Air Arabia as of now. (And FD obviously) its not quite ID90, you pay a little more and there are different "kinds" of stand by.
Yes, you can enjoy your 42 days of leave in different breaks, no less than 7 days in a row, if I remember correctly.
There is a new and fresh profit scheme available for pilots, but I dont have the details on it at hand.
As far as days off, it is my understanding that 9-11 is the norm. Closer to 9 seems more accurate. PBS is coming, dont know how that would change, if any.
Capfo, I strongly suggest you give this entire thread a good read. Sounds like you are on your early stages of research on FD. Its time consuming, but worth the read. It answers lots of questions, including the ones you are asking above.
Cheers!
V
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Shortly to be announced, a new service to Chisinau, KIV/LUKK, Moldova.
Link: Compania low-cost "flydubai" vine în Moldova | PUBLIKA .MD
Google translate:
Low-cost company Dubai Emirate, "Flydubai" plans to operate flights this fall and in Moldova. Announcement was made a few minutes ago the Ministry of Transport and Road Infrastructure.
Driving ministry says it already held talks in this regard with Andrea Catto, commercial manager "Flydubai" for Europe. Moreover, he was drafted and Air Services Agreement to be signed in the near future between the Government and the Government of the United Arab Emirates.
According to Ms Andrea Catto, the company plans to introduce regular flights on the route Dubai-Chisinau throughout the year. Also, "Flydubai" is able to offer convenient connections to 60 destinations around its management.
- See more at: Low-cost company "Flydubai" comes in Moldova | PUBLIKA. MD
Link: Compania low-cost "flydubai" vine în Moldova | PUBLIKA .MD
Google translate:
Low-cost company Dubai Emirate, "Flydubai" plans to operate flights this fall and in Moldova. Announcement was made a few minutes ago the Ministry of Transport and Road Infrastructure.
Driving ministry says it already held talks in this regard with Andrea Catto, commercial manager "Flydubai" for Europe. Moreover, he was drafted and Air Services Agreement to be signed in the near future between the Government and the Government of the United Arab Emirates.
According to Ms Andrea Catto, the company plans to introduce regular flights on the route Dubai-Chisinau throughout the year. Also, "Flydubai" is able to offer convenient connections to 60 destinations around its management.
- See more at: Low-cost company "Flydubai" comes in Moldova | PUBLIKA. MD
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Trivial question:
Which headsets are in the cockpit @ FZ?
Hoping they are not DClarks....my sunglasses will be compressed into my face if that is the case.
Hoping for Sennheiser 26 series.
Which headsets are in the cockpit @ FZ?
Hoping they are not DClarks....my sunglasses will be compressed into my face if that is the case.
Hoping for Sennheiser 26 series.