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1. It doesn't rain much at all.
2. Petrol is cheap.
3. Minimum of 12 hours off after a duty.
4. You sometimes get two days off in a row....
5. Usually 3-9 night flights per month, sometimes more if you're lucky.
6. Mix item 4 with item 5
7. Great destinations such as Kabul, Kandahar, Camp Bastion & Bagram.
8. Alternating day and night duties.
9. A company prepared to go that extra mile providing you are too.
2. Petrol is cheap.
3. Minimum of 12 hours off after a duty.
4. You sometimes get two days off in a row....
5. Usually 3-9 night flights per month, sometimes more if you're lucky.
6. Mix item 4 with item 5
7. Great destinations such as Kabul, Kandahar, Camp Bastion & Bagram.
8. Alternating day and night duties.
9. A company prepared to go that extra mile providing you are too.
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CTC Miami
Attended the Miami selection. The previous gouges were very precise. Brief intro from CTC, brief history, plans and benefits for FlyDubai. Go into group assessment: first project was to assess How can we as flight crew help FlyDubai with its future growth and success. Next project was the moon landing scenario. The key for both group projects is teamwork, make valid points, and respect your group member's points. Next was the PILAPT, much easier than the online practice. Some had lunch, our group only had about 10 minutes before next round. They split the group just like on American Idol and let you know if you made it. 5 out of 16 moved on.
Next round is the HR interview. Very straightforward, just have your scenarios in mind, but don't be too scripted. Use proper interview technique and this is no problem. I guess the interviewer was not very distracted with my stomach participating(no lunch) in the interview because I moved on. 4 out of 5 moved on.
The sim next morning. Different from what I expected but: take off from muscat, level at 3000', a few right turns, transfer controls and brief the ILS, the sim freezes, given back the controls, and then vectored for the approach. Key is to slow down and get configured. Go down to minimums and then told to go-around, on the go-around given an engine failure. Stabilize aircraft, run checklists, declare emergency and shoot the published missed. All of this is raw-data, no autopliot, no auto throttles, or flight director. No visible sign of results given from sim evaluator.
I got my rejection letter 2 days later. I was pretty disappointed
about the rejection because I was sure I had it. I can't say that I flew it to perfection, but I can say that I was on altitude, on airspeed, made some s-turns on the ILS but never more than 1/4 scale deflection on loc or g/s; handled the engine failure pretty well, and shot the missed approach as published. But what I did certainly screw up was I didn't remember the immediate actions checklist until after I had gotten the aircraft cleaned up and climbing.
But more surprising to me was my sim partner didn't make it either. I can certainly tell you that he flew that thing to perfection and was excellent as the PM. So, overall I can't say anything bad about CTC, as previously mentioned but I don't know what they're looking for. I wasn't perfect and didn't make it, but my sim partner was perfect (in my opinion) and didn't make it either. So, maybe I'll try again once I get over the rejection. Also, no one from our Miami assessments made it beyond the sim.
Next round is the HR interview. Very straightforward, just have your scenarios in mind, but don't be too scripted. Use proper interview technique and this is no problem. I guess the interviewer was not very distracted with my stomach participating(no lunch) in the interview because I moved on. 4 out of 5 moved on.
The sim next morning. Different from what I expected but: take off from muscat, level at 3000', a few right turns, transfer controls and brief the ILS, the sim freezes, given back the controls, and then vectored for the approach. Key is to slow down and get configured. Go down to minimums and then told to go-around, on the go-around given an engine failure. Stabilize aircraft, run checklists, declare emergency and shoot the published missed. All of this is raw-data, no autopliot, no auto throttles, or flight director. No visible sign of results given from sim evaluator.
I got my rejection letter 2 days later. I was pretty disappointed
about the rejection because I was sure I had it. I can't say that I flew it to perfection, but I can say that I was on altitude, on airspeed, made some s-turns on the ILS but never more than 1/4 scale deflection on loc or g/s; handled the engine failure pretty well, and shot the missed approach as published. But what I did certainly screw up was I didn't remember the immediate actions checklist until after I had gotten the aircraft cleaned up and climbing. But more surprising to me was my sim partner didn't make it either. I can certainly tell you that he flew that thing to perfection and was excellent as the PM. So, overall I can't say anything bad about CTC, as previously mentioned but I don't know what they're looking for. I wasn't perfect and didn't make it, but my sim partner was perfect (in my opinion) and didn't make it either. So, maybe I'll try again once I get over the rejection. Also, no one from our Miami assessments made it beyond the sim.
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How was yall's CRM? Did you guys communicate thoroughly during the assesment? Full briefings, calling corrections on airspeed/altitude/heading deviations?
I think they don't really care about ur flying per se (unless you're 737 type rated). They're rather looking for strong communication and CRM skills as well as ability to follow instructions and different procedures.
Anyways, could be a blessing in disguise man. One door closes another one opens!!
I think they don't really care about ur flying per se (unless you're 737 type rated). They're rather looking for strong communication and CRM skills as well as ability to follow instructions and different procedures.
Anyways, could be a blessing in disguise man. One door closes another one opens!!
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Cost of living explained.
everything is 15 - 30% more expensive than the uk including accommodation which begins at circa £655pcm for a 2 bed flat in the cheapest area to £1900pcm for a small 3 bed semi and £2350+pcm for a 4 bed. Single people can make a serious killing on the allowance if they take a cheap flat but families will be out of pocket.
Utilities cost circa £2200pa for a 3 bed with an irrigated garden and the a/c being used only in the room that you are currently in ie turning off a/c's as you move around the house.
Oh, and the school allowance will leave you with a short fall of a minimum of £500pa per child up to £4000pa depending on where you can actually get a school place.
Shipping to Dubai will cost £3800 for a 4 bed house and return shipping back to the uk is more expensive circa £4500 (for the same size load).
You will probably need a newish car which you might not have bought had you stayed in an establshed country because older cars are so badly maintained and treated.....everything will be broken. However, new vehicles are relatively cheap as there is no VAT but second hand vehicles are very expensive in comparison to the uk because they enter a second market when they reach a certain age i.e. there is a massive demand from a population that cant afford a new car which pushes up the price of used cars.
It will probably take 2 -3 years simply to break even
The company does the barest minimum in every single respect; rosters late, crap crew food, deliberate avoidance of gratuity by making pay increases only to the FDP which doesn't qualify for the end of term gratuity, leaving Housing and School allowances unchanged, absence of Pension etc.
And the ability to return to your homeland via staff travel will be virtually impossible for a wife with 2 children because you will have no access to seat availability, actual loads or predicted loads. And the booking process can take 2 weeks although it is supposed to take 3 working days (which is still way to long). They will literally have to turn up and hope they all get on which is so risky that you simply won't bother. I can hardly imagine the distress to my wife and kids if they couldnt get on the flight, yet alone the cost of hotels etc. It is hopless without access to seat availability, actual and predicted loads but OK if you are single.
And how do you get out at the end? How do you get home for an interview when you finally decide to leave? No doubt it will be via a summer contract which could leave you unemployed in the winter. Expensive!!
The only thing that is cheap is fuel.
Its great if you are single and dont have job but don't resign from your job to come here.
Utilities cost circa £2200pa for a 3 bed with an irrigated garden and the a/c being used only in the room that you are currently in ie turning off a/c's as you move around the house.
Oh, and the school allowance will leave you with a short fall of a minimum of £500pa per child up to £4000pa depending on where you can actually get a school place.
Shipping to Dubai will cost £3800 for a 4 bed house and return shipping back to the uk is more expensive circa £4500 (for the same size load).
You will probably need a newish car which you might not have bought had you stayed in an establshed country because older cars are so badly maintained and treated.....everything will be broken. However, new vehicles are relatively cheap as there is no VAT but second hand vehicles are very expensive in comparison to the uk because they enter a second market when they reach a certain age i.e. there is a massive demand from a population that cant afford a new car which pushes up the price of used cars.
It will probably take 2 -3 years simply to break even
The company does the barest minimum in every single respect; rosters late, crap crew food, deliberate avoidance of gratuity by making pay increases only to the FDP which doesn't qualify for the end of term gratuity, leaving Housing and School allowances unchanged, absence of Pension etc.
And the ability to return to your homeland via staff travel will be virtually impossible for a wife with 2 children because you will have no access to seat availability, actual loads or predicted loads. And the booking process can take 2 weeks although it is supposed to take 3 working days (which is still way to long). They will literally have to turn up and hope they all get on which is so risky that you simply won't bother. I can hardly imagine the distress to my wife and kids if they couldnt get on the flight, yet alone the cost of hotels etc. It is hopless without access to seat availability, actual and predicted loads but OK if you are single.
And how do you get out at the end? How do you get home for an interview when you finally decide to leave? No doubt it will be via a summer contract which could leave you unemployed in the winter. Expensive!!
The only thing that is cheap is fuel.
Its great if you are single and dont have job but don't resign from your job to come here.
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Non rev,
Are you kidding? As you have only just attended your interview I would try and reserve judgement until you have at least been at FZ for six months. That way your opinion will at least be based on experience.
It tickles me to think that you have the gall to call someone toxic for taking time out to inform people like you how life in FZ really is. I think most people would nod in agreement with what has been said, nothing malicious or untrue mentioned in the post by Asteroid .
I suggest that if you don't like what is said by people that work here, don't read this thread. It appears that from your other replies you still aren't sure how many hours people are even flying on average........ but yet you know enough to refer to someone as toxic. Genius!
Are you kidding? As you have only just attended your interview I would try and reserve judgement until you have at least been at FZ for six months. That way your opinion will at least be based on experience.
It tickles me to think that you have the gall to call someone toxic for taking time out to inform people like you how life in FZ really is. I think most people would nod in agreement with what has been said, nothing malicious or untrue mentioned in the post by Asteroid .
I suggest that if you don't like what is said by people that work here, don't read this thread. It appears that from your other replies you still aren't sure how many hours people are even flying on average........ but yet you know enough to refer to someone as toxic. Genius!
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Single people can make a serious killing on the allowance if they take a cheap flat but families will be out of pocket.
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Clandestino:
Correct.
That said, some will need to factor-in that rents in Dubai are typically paid in large tranches upfront, i.e. it's customary to pay ones rent in either yearly, half-yearly, third yearly, or quarterly amounts (wherein monthly arrangements are almost unheard of) and a prospective tenant therein needs to be able to stump up the cash in advance.
Tenants will likely also need to fund a 'deposit', it typically being 5% of your annual rental.
If you don't have that kind of money readily to hand then you can apply for an 'advance' on your accommodation allowance from flydubai (up to a maximum of 6 months worth of rental, or which ever payment period you and your landlord have agreed upon, whichever is less); though before providing you with an advance, flydubai will want to see a copy of your tenancy contract.
If an accommodation allowance advance has been made, flydubai will then deduct the amount of that advance, as fast as possible, i.e. deduct the maximum amount from your monthly accommodation allowance, until the amount advanced matches what would have been paid via ones normal monthly accommodation allowance, following which normal payments for your accommodation allowance will then be paid into your bank account (always assuming you don't then need another advance to cover the next instalment of your rent?!)
Nb. FlyDubai's accommodation advance will not cover your deposit or any 'agency fees' (the latter being what you will pay to the accommodation agency / agent whom helps find your des-res in the desert).
On top of ones rent, one also needs to factor in the compulsory DEWA 'capacity' fee (which is paid monthly), this being 5% (based upon ones annual rental amount) plus a deposit (for DEWA), on top of which are additional monthly charges for the amount of water & electricity that are consumed. Likewise community-based air-conditioning is extra (with availability based upon location). Amounts for these will not be covered by the accommodation allowance advance provided by flydubai.
Do the math!
If I understood it correctly: 12 000 Dirham allowance is paid no matter what your rent is?
That said, some will need to factor-in that rents in Dubai are typically paid in large tranches upfront, i.e. it's customary to pay ones rent in either yearly, half-yearly, third yearly, or quarterly amounts (wherein monthly arrangements are almost unheard of) and a prospective tenant therein needs to be able to stump up the cash in advance.
Tenants will likely also need to fund a 'deposit', it typically being 5% of your annual rental.
If you don't have that kind of money readily to hand then you can apply for an 'advance' on your accommodation allowance from flydubai (up to a maximum of 6 months worth of rental, or which ever payment period you and your landlord have agreed upon, whichever is less); though before providing you with an advance, flydubai will want to see a copy of your tenancy contract.
If an accommodation allowance advance has been made, flydubai will then deduct the amount of that advance, as fast as possible, i.e. deduct the maximum amount from your monthly accommodation allowance, until the amount advanced matches what would have been paid via ones normal monthly accommodation allowance, following which normal payments for your accommodation allowance will then be paid into your bank account (always assuming you don't then need another advance to cover the next instalment of your rent?!)
Nb. FlyDubai's accommodation advance will not cover your deposit or any 'agency fees' (the latter being what you will pay to the accommodation agency / agent whom helps find your des-res in the desert).
On top of ones rent, one also needs to factor in the compulsory DEWA 'capacity' fee (which is paid monthly), this being 5% (based upon ones annual rental amount) plus a deposit (for DEWA), on top of which are additional monthly charges for the amount of water & electricity that are consumed. Likewise community-based air-conditioning is extra (with availability based upon location). Amounts for these will not be covered by the accommodation allowance advance provided by flydubai.
Do the math!
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King I believe the company will front you the money for the agent's fee as well as deposit...unless of course this has changed. The realtors are hit and miss. I suggest speaking with someone who can recommend one.
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ualgriz... if that's (now) the case (wrt agent fees & deposit being included within the initial advance) then it's all for the good. Fwiw, it's a long time since I availed myself of the advance for the accommodation allowance, and I made sure get out of ever needing it again just as quick as I could... the less beholden one is to FZ, the better (imho) !
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It is also worth noting that presently, this advance on the allowances is not available to new starters until after completion of final line check. So, either bring funds to arrange accommodation from your own pocket, or prepare for a period of time in temporary accommodation.
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Those are the rules indeed but flydubai is very helpful and I got the 6 month advance done in 10 minutes. Still have to do the LST. And I'm no exception...
Same goes for school allowance and any advance.
Same goes for school allowance and any advance.
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Originally Posted by Otto Throttle
prepare for a period of time in temporary accommodation.
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Housing contracts, as per UAE law, are 1yr contracts that automatically renew for another year. Obviously, in most cases, you can leave the place as long as you give 60 days notice. The price you get at the start of yr1 is also what you pay for yr2. The landlord can up the rent within a certain framework governed by RERA rules, and he has to advice you of doing so on the expiry date at the end of the 1st year. (basically he gives you 1 year notice of an increase) Usually it is a 5% increase unless the market value is +25% of what you are paying currently. And then there are some other adjustment constructions I am not going to bore you with.
You can find some nice places (appartments) for 1 mnth up to longer term for about 8000aed all incl. (2bedr+lounge/kitchen etc)
Prices in Dubai are skyhigh and what you get is down to your choice of lifestyle and family composition. There are many hidden expenses, some even call them taxes.
You can find some nice places (appartments) for 1 mnth up to longer term for about 8000aed all incl. (2bedr+lounge/kitchen etc)
Prices in Dubai are skyhigh and what you get is down to your choice of lifestyle and family composition. There are many hidden expenses, some even call them taxes.
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Depending on the schools you pick, expect to pay between 45K-60K AED per year per child. If you have 3 kids or more, expect to fork out 10-15K AED per child each year, in addition to the extra fees for activities that schools charge. There are very few schools (Indian etc) that fall within the allowance offered.
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Question for anyone-
Just applied. I have about 6,000 total time with 5,000 turbine, 900 jet. Of that time 4,000 PIC turbine (mostly turbo prop). No violations, accidents, or incidents.
Application did not pass initial CTC screening. Why might that be?
This was a very basic online application that only looks a small picture of your career. What do they want to see?
Thanks
Just applied. I have about 6,000 total time with 5,000 turbine, 900 jet. Of that time 4,000 PIC turbine (mostly turbo prop). No violations, accidents, or incidents.
Application did not pass initial CTC screening. Why might that be?
This was a very basic online application that only looks a small picture of your career. What do they want to see?
Thanks