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From what I understand, you must pay your travel and expenses to the interview with CTC in London. Sure sounds like a pay to interview.
Correct if if I am wrong.
Correct if if I am wrong.
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No , you are not wrong it is a cost.
What is true though is that some pilots came to Dubai , passed all the tests , have been offered a job and decided not to join...
So after that the company decided to change the process.
Can we blame them ?
There are a few guys applying to different companies in the Middle East going to the interview ( when it is free ) and then pick the one that suits them the most...
Is it really fair ? I let you decide BUT all I know is that if it was your company and your money , you will be upset.
The same thing happened years ago with type ratings , I have never been asked to pay for any type rating until recently and during my career I have seen more and more pilot joining a company to get a type rating with 500 Hrs and then leaving to join the company they wanted to but requiring to be type rated with some Hrs on type.
So now more and more companies require us to sign a bond , or to pay for the rating or to stay a certain number of years...
Can we blame them or should we blame ourselves ?
What is true though is that some pilots came to Dubai , passed all the tests , have been offered a job and decided not to join...
So after that the company decided to change the process.
Can we blame them ?
There are a few guys applying to different companies in the Middle East going to the interview ( when it is free ) and then pick the one that suits them the most...
Is it really fair ? I let you decide BUT all I know is that if it was your company and your money , you will be upset.
The same thing happened years ago with type ratings , I have never been asked to pay for any type rating until recently and during my career I have seen more and more pilot joining a company to get a type rating with 500 Hrs and then leaving to join the company they wanted to but requiring to be type rated with some Hrs on type.
So now more and more companies require us to sign a bond , or to pay for the rating or to stay a certain number of years...
Can we blame them or should we blame ourselves ?
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Yes of course I do see the point but find the logic hard to swallow.
I think that to punish the masses for the mistakes of the few, is a weak argument and supplies the onus for companies to pass costs along to employees, rather than building expenses into the cost of doing business. This is an easy solution of weak management with a unstable business structure. My point is that in the aviation business it is becoming an systemic disease of having your employees bear more and more of the expenses.
Having spent a good deal of my aviation career in a management position, I have witness this first hand. It is most especially prevalent within the M.E. Endless meetings talking about how many angles can dance on the head of a needle or number of grains of sand, rather than looking at removing the boulders in the center of the road. Eventually which will lead to the demise of anyone who questions the relevance or upset the power struggle those who try so hard to maintain their power circle. I have grown weary of mangers whose first line of defense to to cut from their workforce. The long term damage this has caused is one of the reasons for such a high level of transient workers in the first place.
Post script: Sorry I digress, just have to let it fly every once in a while. Now back to more capitulation.
I think that to punish the masses for the mistakes of the few, is a weak argument and supplies the onus for companies to pass costs along to employees, rather than building expenses into the cost of doing business. This is an easy solution of weak management with a unstable business structure. My point is that in the aviation business it is becoming an systemic disease of having your employees bear more and more of the expenses.
Having spent a good deal of my aviation career in a management position, I have witness this first hand. It is most especially prevalent within the M.E. Endless meetings talking about how many angles can dance on the head of a needle or number of grains of sand, rather than looking at removing the boulders in the center of the road. Eventually which will lead to the demise of anyone who questions the relevance or upset the power struggle those who try so hard to maintain their power circle. I have grown weary of mangers whose first line of defense to to cut from their workforce. The long term damage this has caused is one of the reasons for such a high level of transient workers in the first place.
Post script: Sorry I digress, just have to let it fly every once in a while. Now back to more capitulation.
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Just back from selection however I wasn't successful at the interview stage. We only did the multi capacity test on the pilapt and the group activities mentioned in previous posts.
They will tell you a story how they would like everyone to pass BULL****. it isn't the case we were 7 and only 4 got to the interview then 3 to the sim ts always been like that with ctc
I don't feel ctc represent fly dubai needs well. I have done ctc selection before and not passed the interview I don't know what they look for? I really felt I interviewed well prepared good answers, but you know you are not being interviewed by a pilot so sometimes I got the impression they not have a clue what I was talking about .
I have 2000 hours on type currently employed, also 2 other guys were type rated none of us got though
The thing the gets me is your trying for position to be a pilot so that should one of the first things should be tested but obviously they rather have someone who interviews well and fits a personality they are looking for. Maybe I was a bit too relaxed or didn't beg for it enough lol
Finally they asked for me to reapply in 6 months yet they don't give u any feedback whats the point you don't know what your mistakes are so how do you improve your answers ? Which answers didn't they like? Anyways hope u guys have better luck than me
They will tell you a story how they would like everyone to pass BULL****. it isn't the case we were 7 and only 4 got to the interview then 3 to the sim ts always been like that with ctc
I don't feel ctc represent fly dubai needs well. I have done ctc selection before and not passed the interview I don't know what they look for? I really felt I interviewed well prepared good answers, but you know you are not being interviewed by a pilot so sometimes I got the impression they not have a clue what I was talking about .
I have 2000 hours on type currently employed, also 2 other guys were type rated none of us got though
The thing the gets me is your trying for position to be a pilot so that should one of the first things should be tested but obviously they rather have someone who interviews well and fits a personality they are looking for. Maybe I was a bit too relaxed or didn't beg for it enough lol
Finally they asked for me to reapply in 6 months yet they don't give u any feedback whats the point you don't know what your mistakes are so how do you improve your answers ? Which answers didn't they like? Anyways hope u guys have better luck than me
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Sorry to hear that jkd 01. Perhaps a mixed blessing for you. If going to the Gulf, I would focus on the big 3 with EK being the clear #1 choice. Get more 737NG time and then throw your hat into the EK ring. 
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I agree with Iver!
FZ is still finding it impossible to control the rostering issues that have been very apparent for three years now. Senior management are claiming that they know nothing of any concerns over rostering and are asking for feedback on the subject.
My question is 'what have the current and previous chief and deputy chief pilots been doing in this time'? My assumption would be that they feed serious issues such as fatigue inducing rostering up the chain of command in the hope that action could be taken to reduce the impact of such poor rostering, which it is!
FZ had moved away from a rather silly and fatigue inducing 5 on 2 off roster, which doesn't sound too bad, but when you have night shifts and day shifts in the 5 days, it is unbearable. We now see that this type of rostering is now back, and, adding insult to injury, we now have single days off with an early start the next day that requires an early night!
One only has to read OM-A to see that we are running rough shot over our FTL Scheme, which lets face it, is there to protect pilots and crew from the dangers of fatigue.
Be mindful of this fact when considering FZ......
FZ is still finding it impossible to control the rostering issues that have been very apparent for three years now. Senior management are claiming that they know nothing of any concerns over rostering and are asking for feedback on the subject.
My question is 'what have the current and previous chief and deputy chief pilots been doing in this time'? My assumption would be that they feed serious issues such as fatigue inducing rostering up the chain of command in the hope that action could be taken to reduce the impact of such poor rostering, which it is!
FZ had moved away from a rather silly and fatigue inducing 5 on 2 off roster, which doesn't sound too bad, but when you have night shifts and day shifts in the 5 days, it is unbearable. We now see that this type of rostering is now back, and, adding insult to injury, we now have single days off with an early start the next day that requires an early night!
One only has to read OM-A to see that we are running rough shot over our FTL Scheme, which lets face it, is there to protect pilots and crew from the dangers of fatigue.
Be mindful of this fact when considering FZ......
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I'm considering join FZ, and in need of infos.
From previous posts I learned of about 7-800 hours/y with 250-330 legs. But roster are 5-2. With 2 sectors a day it takes 170 days to fly 340 legs, +leaves + sims and class there should still be room to the 365 days a year.
2-5 makes around 20 days per month, times 10,5 = 210 working days
What is that I don't understand?
One more question: there's any kind of reserve days (when you are at home ready on call?)
Many Thanks
From previous posts I learned of about 7-800 hours/y with 250-330 legs. But roster are 5-2. With 2 sectors a day it takes 170 days to fly 340 legs, +leaves + sims and class there should still be room to the 365 days a year.
2-5 makes around 20 days per month, times 10,5 = 210 working days
What is that I don't understand?
One more question: there's any kind of reserve days (when you are at home ready on call?)
Many Thanks
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Time to command
Guys, with the current mass recruitment through CTC en all, roughly what will be the time frame to command as a new joiner F/O meeting the requirements within 1&1/2 yrs? What is the format for upgrade? A lot of guys on here saying it is a ridiculous process.
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Toastal: The flydubai Command upgrade process is necessarily rigorous. It is a process which is not to be underestimated, or taken as a 'right', and just because someone has such & such hours, or has been in the company for certain period, does not guarantee a pass, as some F/O's have found out!
flydubais original order was for 50 aircraft and so far they have taken delivery of 30 of those. That said, the initial 2 aircraft were (sub)leased out of the fleet in 2011 - which means that, today, flydubai operates a fleet of 28 aircraft. Now depending upon how you slice it up, and assuming that no more aircraft are ordered, that leaves either 20 or 22 aircraft still yet to be delivered from that initial order.
By my reckoning there are presently 150 First Officers already in flydubai. If, say, 6x F/O's are required to upgrade, in order to supply enough Captains for each additional new aircraft, that means that there are already enough F/O's in place to fulfil the Command requirement for all the aircraft yet to be delivered from that initial order, and if flydubai take on Direct Entry Captains it would only make matters worse for F/O upgrades! Now unless something changes, eg. a lot of Captains decide to leave, or flydubai order more aircraft, or a lot of the present F/O's fail their upgrade, any new-join F/O can expect to sit a very long time in the RHS. And the longer you leave it to join, the worse it gets.
It is suggested that flydubai will take 6 new aircraft this year (2013) and which would require, say, 36 F/O's to be upgraded to Captain in order to crew these aircraft in the LHS - which leaves approx 114 F/O's still waiting for their chance.
There will, inevitably, come a point when new-hire F/O's are effectively seat-locked by a lack of growth in the company and or lack of leavers from the LHS, and it might be said that that point has already been reached?!
Just do the math !
flydubais original order was for 50 aircraft and so far they have taken delivery of 30 of those. That said, the initial 2 aircraft were (sub)leased out of the fleet in 2011 - which means that, today, flydubai operates a fleet of 28 aircraft. Now depending upon how you slice it up, and assuming that no more aircraft are ordered, that leaves either 20 or 22 aircraft still yet to be delivered from that initial order.
By my reckoning there are presently 150 First Officers already in flydubai. If, say, 6x F/O's are required to upgrade, in order to supply enough Captains for each additional new aircraft, that means that there are already enough F/O's in place to fulfil the Command requirement for all the aircraft yet to be delivered from that initial order, and if flydubai take on Direct Entry Captains it would only make matters worse for F/O upgrades! Now unless something changes, eg. a lot of Captains decide to leave, or flydubai order more aircraft, or a lot of the present F/O's fail their upgrade, any new-join F/O can expect to sit a very long time in the RHS. And the longer you leave it to join, the worse it gets.
It is suggested that flydubai will take 6 new aircraft this year (2013) and which would require, say, 36 F/O's to be upgraded to Captain in order to crew these aircraft in the LHS - which leaves approx 114 F/O's still waiting for their chance.
There will, inevitably, come a point when new-hire F/O's are effectively seat-locked by a lack of growth in the company and or lack of leavers from the LHS, and it might be said that that point has already been reached?!
Just do the math !
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Taxi is best way to get around Dubai. Cheap and plentiful. Ask the hotel to book one for you in the morning if it makes you feel better.
Hotels. Plenty to choose from within 10 minutes of the airport. Back in the day when flydubai paid for the hotel we stayed at the Samaya Hotel Deira. Breakfast was excellent and on a quiet street. Another option would be to stay at the Pullman Hotel at City centre mall. A few people I've met stayed at the Premier Inn Dubai Airport. Only thing about the PI is that it is on a busy road, don't know how quiet it would be during the night. Doesn't matter where you stay as you can always take a taxi to any place in the city.
Hotels. Plenty to choose from within 10 minutes of the airport. Back in the day when flydubai paid for the hotel we stayed at the Samaya Hotel Deira. Breakfast was excellent and on a quiet street. Another option would be to stay at the Pullman Hotel at City centre mall. A few people I've met stayed at the Premier Inn Dubai Airport. Only thing about the PI is that it is on a busy road, don't know how quiet it would be during the night. Doesn't matter where you stay as you can always take a taxi to any place in the city.
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Rosters are random. Seems like every month they invent new ways to make us more fatigued and angry. March madness includes single days off between changing from night patterns to day flights. Single days off also completely disable the ability to trip trade. Days off usually no more than 8 or sometimes 10. Even if you have 10 on your roster it really isn't 10. You will be scheduled to end your duty late on the last day, and then after two days off you will start at 6am for a week of early AM reports. You can request two specific days off in a month, but those are not guaranteed.
I agree with Bobs logic on upgrades, but if quality of life issues are not addressed you will see attrition increase. That will leave lots of empty seats to be filled.
I agree with Bobs logic on upgrades, but if quality of life issues are not addressed you will see attrition increase. That will leave lots of empty seats to be filled.