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Old 8th Jan 2013, 10:10
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BTW Randy, what's low vis qualified?? Isn't everyone?
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 10:23
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FO flight pay is 110 AED per hour, so it would be about 1600 AED less than what's on the website. Base, housing, transportation, and allowances are independent of flight hour pay.

Low Vis qual requires a certain number of supervised approaches not in Cat 2/3 wx. As flydubai's training department has been understaffed, not all crews have performed the supervised approaches yet. And to be honest there is only about a half dozen cities we fly to, only two or three of which are the long Russia/East Eruo flights, that have Cat 2/3 runways. All low Vis qual really does it make it more difficult to swap flights, yeah as if it could get any more difficult

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Old 8th Jan 2013, 10:27
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Ok, my bad. So you can count on (in my case) 7800Eur.

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Old 8th Jan 2013, 10:32
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By allowances do you mean medical insurance, personal accident.....or some other thing? In the case of insurances, do they give you the money or they provide you with the service?
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 10:53
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The housing and transportation allowances are all part of the package, but are broken out separately, along with basic salary. So, you have a basic salary, flight pay, transportation allowance, and housing allowance which make up your monthly paycheck. You then have your education allowance which as stated above is applied for independently.

If you have a couple of those Russian or long flights a month instead of a single Doha, Bahrain or Kuwait, it helps you get a lot closer to the 80 hours.

I think most have been nearer to the 80 hours lately with or without the low vis qualification. I have 82 hours this month plus my LPC (which is two sim sessions) so I will have a really good pay month. As I said though, you are not guaranteed anything for the month, so it can change (and has).

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Roger that!

Thanks.
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 12:04
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Hi Guys,

Just an insight about pay: The max number of hours you can fly at Fz is 900 per year, well that is what it should be. I say should because our brilliant rostering team top us at 850, give or take. If you split 840 by 12 you will find your maximum average monthly flight pay around 70 hours block. So what FZ promises is not true and you cannot count on that. Take 10 hours flight pay (1100 Dhs for F/Os and 1600 for CA) out of the figures you have and them you will get the real deal: the lowest pay in the UAE!!! Sad but true..............One more thing: the housing and transportation allowances are a joke.....you cannot afford to buy, drive and keep (fuel, Salik, service, insurance...all you need to drive) a descent car with Dhs 1700 a month. The housing at 144k is absolute inadequate. Even the CA's housing of 168k is not enough anymore. EK and EY are hiring with way better conditions......just saying.......
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Shouldn't you divide the hours by 10 1/2 months? in the website it says 42 days vacation....
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 14:53
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Nice catch blues. What several fail to realize, including our GED level scheduling team is that with 42 days of vacation, minimum 2 sim events, ground school, and lets say on average 6 sick calls a year, no one should reach 900 hours in a year. The fault lies with the company for allowing the schedules to built so inefficiently. Its tough to explain, but its a combination of total duty hours per week plus forcing days into a schedule that really don't fit. Hopefully we have seen the worst, but the next six months will be very telling. There are some though that have seen enough, and if they can they are leaving.
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I agree with you, Long-gonner. My company had me flying around 800hrs for a few years a while ago and almost killed me.....it meant about 17 nights out a month. To tell you guys the truth, the only thing that worries me about FZ is if the money is enough to pay for an apartment (villa if possible), school and all the expenses. I know you can spend all the money you want in Dubai but that's not my wife's and I mind-set, we want to have a decent life with our kids and go out with them every now and then and save money. Opportunities to upgrade I think has been answered before and I'm looking forward to face the rest if I can get a decent QOL.
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My flight totals during the last 3 years at FZ:

2010 = 797 (block) hours / 319 sectors.
2011 = 708 (block) hours / 256 sectors.
2012 = 822 (block) hours / 336 sectors.

plus 8 (paid) hours worth of obligatory simulator, once every 6 months.

... do the math!
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Thanks for the info!
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Can the education allowance be used for schools back home eg UK?
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PT6Driver: AFAIK, the answer to your question is "No".

That said, some of the original joiners (aka, the 'A' scalers) were, and / or are, able to claim for education fees that occur outside of the UAE, however I'm led to understand that FZ's Employment Contract now states that the education allowance will only be (re)paid for education that takes place within the UAE (and subject to proof of receipts as such). Basically the powers that be want to keep the money within the UAE.
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What are the A scalers?
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Hi, just answering....no I divided 840 by 12 because that is the average of what you are going to get. During your annual leave you won't get ANY flight pay. So there will be months when you are going to get 90 hs flight pay and some others when you will get 0, 20, 50....depending on how you bid your leaves. Average around the year is 70 or less. There are MANY pay scales in Fz. A scales are the pilots who joined during the 1st year and they get Dhs 6000 more than everyone else. Them comes the rest with just small differences on the basic.....not much. A scale pilots get a decent amount of money, but B and C should be looking somewhere else. There were promises that eventually we all would get on the A scale, but after almost 4 years and no changes is quite obvious that is just another fallacy to keep people around.
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The 'A' scalers are the group of pilots who joined right at (or even before) flydubai started operating flights, and therein their Contract of Employment is slightly different to that which has since been offered, and / or is presently being offered.
E.g. the Contract of Employment, as offered to the 'A' scalers, provides a higher basic salary + higher allowances (to say nothing of a less restrictive policy wrt the 'education allowance'), i.e. when compared to what has subsequently been offered to those whom have joined at a later date and, all in all, it reflects flydubai having revised its T&C's downwards.

I should add (hence the edit) that the 'A' scalers now represent just a small percentage (10% & diminishing ?) of FZ's total pilot cadre.... and yes I am an 'A' scaler.

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Old 8th Jan 2013, 19:10
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Well Old King, you also took a risk.....No embarrasment needed
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thanks for the info on the A scalers guys.
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PT6Driver: Every month (regardless of being on leave or not) you will get paid the following:
  1. Basic Salary
  2. Housing Allowance
  3. Transport Allowance
  4. Education Allowance - subject to the proviso of your child(ren) being educated within the UAE.
If you have been flying you will also get paid (monthly in arrears):
  • 'Flight Pay' at either 160 Dhs per block hour (Captain), or 110 Dhs per block hour (F/O).
Nb. In simple terms a 'block hour' (or part thereof) is defined as the time difference between the park brake being released at the beginning of a sector, and the park brake being applied at the end of the sector.

Also, every time you go to the simulator, you will receive 4 hours of 'Flight Pay' at the rate respective to your rank (see above) per session, regardless of how long or short the session is.

E.g. If you were flying during October then you would receive the relevant number of block hours rate (based on your rank) worth of 'flight pay' in your end of November salary, along with amounts for 1+2+3+4.

Conversely, if you were on leave during the whole of October then you wouldn't have accrued any 'flight pay' and so your salary (for the end of November) would only consist of amounts for 1+2+3+4.

Just to be clear. The salary is normally paid on the 26th of each month, and 'flight pay' is paid monthly in arrears (i.e. added into ones pay in the following month).

Just to complete the picture; Some of you might have heard that the UAE has something called an 'End of Service Gratuity', and which UAE based employers are required to pay as follows, i.e. when one eventually leaves / resign:
  • 21 days worth of ones daily rate of remuneration, for each year of the first five years of service.
  • 30 days worth of ones daily rate of remuneration, for each additional year of service provided that the aggregate amount of severance pay shall not exceed two years remuneration.
Nb. When determining ones 'daily rate of remuneration' for this purpose, this is based upon ones Basic Salary(1) only, and it does not include ones 'Allowances'(2+3+4) or averaged 'Flight Pay'.

Do the math !

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