bluesaddict

Same thing in my company.

chinny

can you confirm that IS the case with the educ allowance-makes a big difference

jkd_01

Hey guys just got through the screening process, any guys done the assessment recently who are type rated, what's the story with the Sim check?

Kabul 1

The slightly difference is
Aed 2000,00 per month in car allowance plus Aed 24000,00 per year in house allowance pmus the basic salary difference
It means a slightly difference of AED 48000,00 more to the A scale, not including the salary difference
Slightly......
And all first officers that arrived at that time and upgraded
They are receiving the A scale

dubaigong

Kabul1

This is the case in many airlines now , there are different type of contract depending when you have joined the company.
What you have to look at is what has been offered to you when you apply and if you get what you have signed for , you should not look at what other are getting.
If you were not happy with the conditions you shouldn't have signed your contract.
And as said by somebody else , the A scale pilots joined before the company even started flying which was a serious risk...
I see people complaining but what are they doing about it ?
I don't see any big reaction in the company except a very small group of pilots ( always the same ) raising their voice.
If you want things to change , join them and this will increase the number which may push the management to act.
Of course it takes more to act to change things than to moan on pprune...

RandyBMC

Actually, the difference is more like 75000AED per year from A-scale Captain to B-scale Captain. The FOs that joined on A-scale then upgraded do in fact go to the A-scale for Captain. Fair enough - or it wouldn't be too much of a raise from A-scale FO to B-scale Captain! They joined under those terms. I also never want to see anyone pulled down - we should all just be raised. In other words, be happy that the guys on A-scale have what they have, just wish for it and ask for it for all, as precedent exists.

That said, I am not an A-scaler (but certainly wish I was!).

DucknDive

So the sporting/hunting rifles we carry in the hold turned out to be 2 tons of automatic weapons in the hold to ........ without proper overflight permits. Nice! Knew I could trust the security department

doubletap

....think you'll find most of the 'risk takers' were unemployed XL pilots or on furlough from the US, more like 'no-choice takers'. We all took a risk joining the company, more so once the inaugural chaps/chapesses built their 'training' empires & didn't have to fly to some of the more exotic destinations.....for whatever reason.

dubaigong

Doubletap,

Your comments about the first group of pilots who joined Flydubai are totally unfair and inappropriate at least for most of them.
I guess it is just jealousy...
It shows obviously that you don't know them personally and that you must have joined quite recently.
As far as I know there were only 1 or 2 pilots who have been able to avoid the " unwanted flights to Afghanistan " and this is now over.
You should take more time to gather your information and think twice before expressing an opinion about others ( remember " D.O.D.A.R." , it is not only for aviation )
Read what Randy BMC has said above and keep your anger for the right fight.

what-to-do

Dubaigong

Easy fella, getting back to your ranting old ways. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

As for DODAR, is that a bird?

The Prophet of Truth

Actually, Doubletap is right. Half of the A scalers were unemployed when they came here. Besides....what risk? This company was supported by EK and UAE government. It was not a 4 airplanes low cost in Asia......they walked into Boeing's office and bought 56 aircrafts.....risk? Risk of what? Become a trainer? Chief pilot? Head of something? Sorry, but there was no risk! It is just one of the endless excuses (we are a low cost, we are a new airline, bla bla bla) fz uses to to denny any package upgrade to the pilot group (I almost forgot, they gave us Dhs 10.00 per block....how nice...). Besides many pilots were offered A scale during their assessment in fz, and months latter (after they resigned from their jobs) fz offered B scale only. Very, Very fair.....don't take me wrong, with all things that should be improved fz is still a ok job.....but they should make things right to everyone: same package, insurance, profit share and last but not least ROSTER. But, as dubaigong said, it will take more than just moan on PPrune to get things changed.....

long-gonner

And so what that the "A" scale pilots were available at the right time to sign the contract flydubai was offering? Why imply that there were no other options for those guys? Most were long time training Captains, some had 1k's of wide body experience, and one had even been director of training at his last airline. By accepting the job at flydubai and not accepting other jobs, they were in fact taking a calculated risk. Moving your family to a country in the Middle East is a risk! You are absolutely correct that those first B scale guys that interviewed and accepted the job on the "A" T&C's should not have been treated the way they were. What I don't get is blaming anyone in the pilot group for the company's (very wrong) decision to reduce the pay. Stop implying that senior management came to the A pilots and said "hey, how would you feel if we cut the new guys pay 10%?" Hopefully this will get addressed, but unless applications stop coming I doubt the company will budge. More importantly though, as OKC said its about 10% of the group on A now with the number dropping. That makes increasing the B scale to the A scale less likely. Probably at some point a longevity scale will have to be introduced for basic salary, but the allowances probably won't increase much.

Old King Coal

Wrt the subsequent 'scales', I recall that - when we got wind of it - some of us 'A' scalers proposed & were willing to forgo any increase in our own T&C's, if that'd mean that there'd be no 'B' scale... well you can go figure how successful was that suggestion?! (but, nonetheless, we tried)

Ah well, two buckets (aka Hertzberg's Theory of Motivation) !

jkd_01

Has anyone been to Dubai for the assessment? If so any info? Is it the same things you have to do at ctc?

Bengu

Hi,

Some questions about Flydubai!
Minimum for non type rated are 2500 hours total time and 1000 hours on aircraft over 10 tonnes, are some guys selected with that minimum or all non type rated guys are way way more experienced ? Or type rated pilots are so many to apply that only a few guys without TR are selected?

Besides what is the ratio between the selected pilots? ( between guys without TR and guys coming with a TR?)

Thanks

bluesaddict

Does anyone know if FZ takes care of the expenses to stay in Dubai during the screening process?

JackN

Chaps,

Coming to this thread with no real knowledge of FZ at all, however with the current tax situation in FR, I am looking around at what might be an option in the near future. The salary advertised on the FZ website is very tempting, regardless of what it is for the original joiners. I was wondering if anybody can let me know how much of that is made up of basic salary, and how much is dependent on flight pay? I'd also be interested to know the roster pattern or, if there are different patterns for different guys, what I could expect if I joined in the next few months.

Many thanks for your help.

VOYAGER12

JackN.

Well, here is an idea..... why not read the previous posts for all you need to know. Not exactly rocket science.

Flat Cap

Have a look at page 48 or thereabouts, full discussion on it there. Other than a 10 dirham an hour flight pay raise, its all still correct.

Specialised

Hi Gents,
I am preparing for the CTC assessment and have looked through the whole thread and was hoping someone might be able to advise me of any changes or more up to date info regarding the days of assessment for FlyDubai.
I would be very grateful!
Thanks and hope to meet you there!