Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged
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A few young guns with less than 500 hours have just been employed by FZ after paying for a 73 type rating. There was no guarantee of employment, but there was potential if the candidates did well. They did, and were employed. FZ charged US$29 000 for the type rating.
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Qualifications
Required Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities
Job Requirements
• Hold an ICAO ATPL certificate with a valid type rating
• Hold a 1st Class Medical certificate from ICAO
• Hold English to ICAO level 4 or above
• Eligible for a UAE residency visa
• Demonstrate excellent problem solving, CRM and team working skills
• Demonstrate command potential
• Must have good knowledge of ATPL subjects
• Ability to perform to a high standard when under stress
• Must have flown desired aircraft within the last 24 months
In Addition to the above:
Type rated pilots must meet the below requirements
• B737-300 to 900 (NG/EFIS) endorsed within the last 24 months
• At least 1,500 hours total flying time
• At least 500 hours on B737-300 to 900 (NG/EFIS) type aircraft
Education and Experience
• University degree is preferable
• High school diploma is essential
• International aviation experience
Required Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities
Job Requirements
• Hold an ICAO ATPL certificate with a valid type rating
• Hold a 1st Class Medical certificate from ICAO
• Hold English to ICAO level 4 or above
• Eligible for a UAE residency visa
• Demonstrate excellent problem solving, CRM and team working skills
• Demonstrate command potential
• Must have good knowledge of ATPL subjects
• Ability to perform to a high standard when under stress
• Must have flown desired aircraft within the last 24 months
In Addition to the above:
Type rated pilots must meet the below requirements
• B737-300 to 900 (NG/EFIS) endorsed within the last 24 months
• At least 1,500 hours total flying time
• At least 500 hours on B737-300 to 900 (NG/EFIS) type aircraft
Education and Experience
• University degree is preferable
• High school diploma is essential
• International aviation experience
No they are not desperate but even if they were they would not move one dot on the requirements as that is the way that recruitment roll, full stop. As for leniant, FZ is many things to many pilots but leniant or flexible is not one of those things.
So you need 2 things, first you absolutely need 1500hrs TT. This is not a flexibility issue this is an insurance and GCAA issue mainly. You also need an ATPL this is also not a flexibility issue. However the good news is that if you have 900hrs on type and 1200hrs TT you only have to go and get another 300 hrs to be qualified to unfreeze your ATPL and meet the requirements! The 300 hrs can be on anything.
It doesnt matter where or how you fly the hours just find a way, if you are an FI even easier if not then consider becoming one and flying the hours that way. Or go abroad or just find a way. At your level of experience you need the airline more than it needs you so you have to get the hours somehow if you want the job.
Everyone here got the hours somehow, so don't be disheartened just find a solution to getting the hours. If you want it enough you will find a way. Just check out Africa, china, Turkey, et al. Its not fun working in some of these places, in fact its often downright dangerous and perhaps you wont enjoy it but it is a means to an end to get to here.
Good luck.
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Booking standby business
Booking a standby ticket in business does not advance you over EK employees are are listed in economy....they will always take EK staff before any other company.
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While performing the duties of this job, the Captain will be operating in the cockpit environment for extended periods of time. They are required to have an airside pass and it is a requirement to have a good knowledge of the hazards the airside environment presents. He/she will also be operating the aircraft in temperatures as low as -40 degrees Celsius and as high as 50 degree Celsius and will be required to fly at anytime during a 24 hour period subject to GCAA flight time limitations. There are multiple hazards when operating aircraft and the employee will be required to take all steps necessary to mitigate those hazards as far as possible.
The employee may be required to operate in environments and countries designated at war zones.
The employee may be required to operate in environments and countries designated at war zones.
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Fz Contract
Dear ManaAdaSystem,
Is it in your contract?
Tks
While performing the duties of this job, the Captain will be operating in the cockpit environment for extended periods of time. They are required to have an airside pass and it is a requirement to have a good knowledge of the hazards the airside environment presents. He/she will also be operating the aircraft in temperatures as low as -40 degrees Celsius and as high as 50 degree Celsius and will be required to fly at anytime during a 24 hour period subject to GCAA flight time limitations. There are multiple hazards when operating aircraft and the employee will be required to take all steps necessary to mitigate those hazards as far as possible.
The employee may be required to operate in environments and countries designated at war zones.
Is it in your contract?
Tks
While performing the duties of this job, the Captain will be operating in the cockpit environment for extended periods of time. They are required to have an airside pass and it is a requirement to have a good knowledge of the hazards the airside environment presents. He/she will also be operating the aircraft in temperatures as low as -40 degrees Celsius and as high as 50 degree Celsius and will be required to fly at anytime during a 24 hour period subject to GCAA flight time limitations. There are multiple hazards when operating aircraft and the employee will be required to take all steps necessary to mitigate those hazards as far as possible.
The employee may be required to operate in environments and countries designated at war zones.
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EK Standby
Booking a J class ticket will always give you priority of EK economy standby. Emirates policy does not allow them to upgrade people so they can get a space in economy. But if there is no room in J class and you get downgraded then they take priority in economy class over you.
Our staff travel isn't great but don't make it sound worse than it actually is.
Our staff travel isn't great but don't make it sound worse than it actually is.
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Standby Travel: FZ, it's not EK.
Subject to purchasing of a suitable ticket for the relevant Class:
EK Captains are entitled to First Class standby travel on EK.
EK F/O's are entitled to Business Class standby travel on EK.
EK CabinCrew are entitled to Economy Class standby travel on EK.
FZ Captains & F/Os are entitled to Business Class standby travel on EK.
FZ CabinCrew are entitled to Economy Class standby travel on EK
If there is competition for seats in a particular Class, the EK staff member will always take priority over someone from FZ... and it doesn't matter how long the FZ staff member has worked at FZ or their rank therein. E.g. you could be a +5 year Captain within FZ, but when it comes to getting onboard an EK flight (using a standby ticket), an EK F/O (whom perhaps might have been at EK only 6 months) will always get priority.
EK also have a policy of 'no-upgrades'. So if an FZ employee buys a EK standby ticket for travel in Economy Class, but Economy Class then turns out to be full, they will not be upgraded into Business Class, even if Business Class is completely empty.
Conversely, if you have a Business Class standby ticket, but Business Class turns out to be full, but there are seats available in Economy Class, then EK will downgrade you into Economy Class, and you can latterly claim back (online, using EK's reservation system) the difference between the standby ticket price of the two classes. That said, if there is an EK and FZ staff member both on standby for Business Class, but that class is full, and there is only one seat available in Economy Class, the EK staff member will get priority (see the rule above).
Furthermore, EK's travel concession (for their staff) is such that an EK employee can literally walk up to an EK ticket desk and get a standby ticket on the spot.
This, however, is not the case for FZ staff, wherein for an FZ employee to travel on standby with EK, requires that they fill in a form, get it countersigned / approved by every Tom, Dick, and Harriet in FZ HQ, then go to Staff Services (also in FZ HQ, remembering that office hours apply), get them to issue the EK ticket, then you can travel standby on EK, assuming you can get on... it's best to allow several days for this ticket issuing process.
EK staff also get access to handy little app that shows them, in real time, what are the loads on various EK flights, i.e. so that they can gauge the likelihood of being able to get onboard if using a standby ticket. FZ have no such access to that app.
To be honest, its been years since I made use of FZ's arrangement to travel on standby with EK, 'coz being the lowest of the low in terms of standby priority, tends to up the ante on the old stress level and thus, these days, if I want to go anywhere I just buy a full fare ticket, 'coz then I know I'm definitely going and I don't have to jump through any of FZ's hoops to do so!
EK Captains are entitled to First Class standby travel on EK.
EK F/O's are entitled to Business Class standby travel on EK.
EK CabinCrew are entitled to Economy Class standby travel on EK.
FZ Captains & F/Os are entitled to Business Class standby travel on EK.
FZ CabinCrew are entitled to Economy Class standby travel on EK
If there is competition for seats in a particular Class, the EK staff member will always take priority over someone from FZ... and it doesn't matter how long the FZ staff member has worked at FZ or their rank therein. E.g. you could be a +5 year Captain within FZ, but when it comes to getting onboard an EK flight (using a standby ticket), an EK F/O (whom perhaps might have been at EK only 6 months) will always get priority.
EK also have a policy of 'no-upgrades'. So if an FZ employee buys a EK standby ticket for travel in Economy Class, but Economy Class then turns out to be full, they will not be upgraded into Business Class, even if Business Class is completely empty.
Conversely, if you have a Business Class standby ticket, but Business Class turns out to be full, but there are seats available in Economy Class, then EK will downgrade you into Economy Class, and you can latterly claim back (online, using EK's reservation system) the difference between the standby ticket price of the two classes. That said, if there is an EK and FZ staff member both on standby for Business Class, but that class is full, and there is only one seat available in Economy Class, the EK staff member will get priority (see the rule above).
Furthermore, EK's travel concession (for their staff) is such that an EK employee can literally walk up to an EK ticket desk and get a standby ticket on the spot.
This, however, is not the case for FZ staff, wherein for an FZ employee to travel on standby with EK, requires that they fill in a form, get it countersigned / approved by every Tom, Dick, and Harriet in FZ HQ, then go to Staff Services (also in FZ HQ, remembering that office hours apply), get them to issue the EK ticket, then you can travel standby on EK, assuming you can get on... it's best to allow several days for this ticket issuing process.
EK staff also get access to handy little app that shows them, in real time, what are the loads on various EK flights, i.e. so that they can gauge the likelihood of being able to get onboard if using a standby ticket. FZ have no such access to that app.
To be honest, its been years since I made use of FZ's arrangement to travel on standby with EK, 'coz being the lowest of the low in terms of standby priority, tends to up the ante on the old stress level and thus, these days, if I want to go anywhere I just buy a full fare ticket, 'coz then I know I'm definitely going and I don't have to jump through any of FZ's hoops to do so!
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As usual OKC, your report on EK staff travel is absolutely accurate.
Unfortunately however, it does not quite reflect the reality of the situation on the ground! To wit, having arrived at the staff check in area T3 clutching the precious J class sub load pass in my sweaty paw, I was informed by the agent with an apologetic smile that there was only one seat in J class and one seat in Y class available and I was unlikely to be accepted on the flight as there were two EK Y class staff travel already waiting. It isn't the check in staff that decide who travels, but a faceless minion from EK. At T-60, as if by magic there were 0 seats in J class and 2 seats in Y class and yours truly remained firmly on the ground. The check in agent proved helpful in re-listing me to another destination (also not allowed for none EK staff according to 'the rules') but made it clear that in his experience none EK staff were unlikely to travel ahead of EK staff in any circumstances. Also, in the scenario where business class is full, none EK staff holding a J sub load ticket do NOT take priority over an EK staff member holding a Y sub load ticket where this is competition for remaining seats. I hope this makes it clear for the would be travellers, spending more then double their hard earned dirhams on a J class perch, that they have not bought a higher priority when it comes to getting on that busy flight...
Unfortunately however, it does not quite reflect the reality of the situation on the ground! To wit, having arrived at the staff check in area T3 clutching the precious J class sub load pass in my sweaty paw, I was informed by the agent with an apologetic smile that there was only one seat in J class and one seat in Y class available and I was unlikely to be accepted on the flight as there were two EK Y class staff travel already waiting. It isn't the check in staff that decide who travels, but a faceless minion from EK. At T-60, as if by magic there were 0 seats in J class and 2 seats in Y class and yours truly remained firmly on the ground. The check in agent proved helpful in re-listing me to another destination (also not allowed for none EK staff according to 'the rules') but made it clear that in his experience none EK staff were unlikely to travel ahead of EK staff in any circumstances. Also, in the scenario where business class is full, none EK staff holding a J sub load ticket do NOT take priority over an EK staff member holding a Y sub load ticket where this is competition for remaining seats. I hope this makes it clear for the would be travellers, spending more then double their hard earned dirhams on a J class perch, that they have not bought a higher priority when it comes to getting on that busy flight...
Ali Ronn
I believe the procedure is that if, say, there are a couple of EK staff with Y class sub-load tickets and only 1 seat available, a commercial passenger will be upgraded (subject to seats available of course) to a higher class, such as J in this case. This would then free up a second seat for the staff member to travel in Y. I would have hoped they do this also for our FZ colleagues, but ......?
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Airbus launch the A330neo at Farnborough today, first deliveries in 2017.
Management have openly said the 787 is too expensive for FZ, but the A330neo is cheaper to buy, to run, quicker delivery times, and access to a large airbus maintenance facility on site.
We love a good long haul rumour at FZ, could this be the aircraft FZ have been waiting for?
Management have openly said the 787 is too expensive for FZ, but the A330neo is cheaper to buy, to run, quicker delivery times, and access to a large airbus maintenance facility on site.
We love a good long haul rumour at FZ, could this be the aircraft FZ have been waiting for?
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Who said that Flydubai has been waiting for a long haul aircraft ?
Except the pilots that were not or are not able to join EK and are dreaming of Flydubai getting long haul to have a chance to fly it , I don't see anyone else...
Keep dreaming then...
Except the pilots that were not or are not able to join EK and are dreaming of Flydubai getting long haul to have a chance to fly it , I don't see anyone else...
Keep dreaming then...
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Been there, done that. I'm just excited at the possibility to see a load of guys leave the 737 seniority list to be honest.
dubaigoing, just to make sure you are aware, this is a rumour network, Long Haul at FZ has been a rumour for a long time now, where have you been?
dubaigoing, just to make sure you are aware, this is a rumour network, Long Haul at FZ has been a rumour for a long time now, where have you been?
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I know that we are not best friends and don't usually agree but take a few minutes to check the definition of the word rumour.
It should be based on a real information or at least a part of it and when a rumour like this one is around for almost 5 years and nothing can be seen to confirm it , according to me it should be called a wish or a fantasy but surely not a rumour or a false rumour if you wish...
It should be based on a real information or at least a part of it and when a rumour like this one is around for almost 5 years and nothing can be seen to confirm it , according to me it should be called a wish or a fantasy but surely not a rumour or a false rumour if you wish...