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Would STRONGLY advise that you read all the above posts and think long and hard about leaving what you have and coming here. People are not writing this stuff because they have nothing else to do
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Besides the guy in Manchester, there are numerous other pilots who have had their career ruined by Emirates. When i interviewed, i asked hr about the various concerns of pilots about the T&Cs. Human Resources response was that it was just a vocal minority and not to believe everything you read on these sites. After speaking with numerous pilots who started class last year, most were disappointed with their decision and some even quit. It made my decision so much easier since i value happiness over flying a heavy jet internationally. Unfortunately, most that decide to leave do not have a job to go back home to. Some are having marriage difficulties and others are barely surviving going further into debt. I also have a former colleague who just walked away from Emirates and did not even consider going back. He posts on here and mentioned that his life was more important than a job. He is presently unemployed, but happy.
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Moderator, please...
What a bunch of crap, again. Now that EK is finally hiring again, what for the poolies should be the glory, we see these brainless maniacs spreading so many stupidities.
How come you can ever consider an FO with children, flying for EK, has any financial issue caused by low payment or high costs at Dubai? That's a big lie.
Ok that costs are higher anywhere and we have to put a little more here and there, but to the point we are unable to save any? Someone talked about raising debts or leaving Dubai after years with no money. Are you nuts?
The caps for the electricity and water are more than fair. A regular family, using it with responsibility will never get to worry. These guys that are complaining are those who maintain 24/7 fountains, swimming pools or water their gardens permanently beside leaving their Air Conditioning on for hours when there's nobody home.
T&Cs are downhill everywhere in the world. EK is hiring in the middle of the crisis.
You are ungratiful bastards that are still flying because company found the way to keep you flying. Ungratiful I say again.
This topic regards to the Holding Pool and the perspective of being hired. Moderator, please check on the guys telling poolies not to come based on lies and overreaction. This is past advise and providing information: WARNINGS have been issued. This is ridiculous.
Poolies, I hope no one makes decision based on what's written here. IT DOES NOT REFLECT THE DAILY REALITY OF FLYING FOR EMIRATES.
Find someone you thrust that is working for EK(Hope your contact is not one of these losers) to get proper guidance.
Emirates was better, but it's still the best.
How come you can ever consider an FO with children, flying for EK, has any financial issue caused by low payment or high costs at Dubai? That's a big lie.
Ok that costs are higher anywhere and we have to put a little more here and there, but to the point we are unable to save any? Someone talked about raising debts or leaving Dubai after years with no money. Are you nuts?
The caps for the electricity and water are more than fair. A regular family, using it with responsibility will never get to worry. These guys that are complaining are those who maintain 24/7 fountains, swimming pools or water their gardens permanently beside leaving their Air Conditioning on for hours when there's nobody home.
T&Cs are downhill everywhere in the world. EK is hiring in the middle of the crisis.
You are ungratiful bastards that are still flying because company found the way to keep you flying. Ungratiful I say again.
This topic regards to the Holding Pool and the perspective of being hired. Moderator, please check on the guys telling poolies not to come based on lies and overreaction. This is past advise and providing information: WARNINGS have been issued. This is ridiculous.
Poolies, I hope no one makes decision based on what's written here. IT DOES NOT REFLECT THE DAILY REALITY OF FLYING FOR EMIRATES.
Find someone you thrust that is working for EK(Hope your contact is not one of these losers) to get proper guidance.
Emirates was better, but it's still the best.
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cosmo (or should we assume CaptAmerica, or EGT?)
you just provided the best and most vivid proof of EK managment procedures.
Go ahead guys, jump on the bandwagon of well orchestrated smokes and mirrors.
I do agree though that you might not want to believe some rant around here.
My best advice is, buy a cheap ticket, come to the sandpit and talk to us, the guys from the line, make your own assessment.
(When you finally got the real picture, ask cosmo via pm to meet up in a nice bar and try not to break his face.)
you just provided the best and most vivid proof of EK managment procedures.
Go ahead guys, jump on the bandwagon of well orchestrated smokes and mirrors.
I do agree though that you might not want to believe some rant around here.
My best advice is, buy a cheap ticket, come to the sandpit and talk to us, the guys from the line, make your own assessment.
(When you finally got the real picture, ask cosmo via pm to meet up in a nice bar and try not to break his face.)
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Cosmodrift,
Unfortunately, you are the "maniac" here my friend.
All I can say is that wherever you were working before EK must have been a living hell. If you can seriously say that "EK was better, but it's still the best", then you are completely delussional.
And to call everyone else who is pis*ed off having their Ts & Cs degraded by Emirates "ungreatful bastards". Not too many people share your views that we are ungreatful, you belong in the office, not in the cockpit.
I on the other hand give warning to all of the "poolies", and say that Emirates has become, and is in fact the WORST employer that I have worked for. The bottom line is that they simply don't give a sh*t about the pilots or their families.
Be very, very careful who you choose to believe. Talk to your friends working here and get the real truth. Don't bother with the Recruitment team as they will lie through their teeth to suck you in.
I will be leaving in the coming months.
Good luck to all of you, and hope you make the right decision.
Unfortunately, you are the "maniac" here my friend.
All I can say is that wherever you were working before EK must have been a living hell. If you can seriously say that "EK was better, but it's still the best", then you are completely delussional.
And to call everyone else who is pis*ed off having their Ts & Cs degraded by Emirates "ungreatful bastards". Not too many people share your views that we are ungreatful, you belong in the office, not in the cockpit.
I on the other hand give warning to all of the "poolies", and say that Emirates has become, and is in fact the WORST employer that I have worked for. The bottom line is that they simply don't give a sh*t about the pilots or their families.
Be very, very careful who you choose to believe. Talk to your friends working here and get the real truth. Don't bother with the Recruitment team as they will lie through their teeth to suck you in.
I will be leaving in the coming months.
Good luck to all of you, and hope you make the right decision.
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Cosmodrift, either you cannot read or you cannot understand. Either way, what YOU write is absolute bullcr@p! Lots of colleagues have warned you and other wannabees, but you don´t wanna listen
What is so difficult to understand??? EK was a great airline to work for, and I was more than proud to be a part of it. Now it is just a sad shadow of its former glory and I am ashamed of what is is now. People don´t write here because they don´t have better things to do, no, they write here to warn people like YOU! People who don´t want to listen to very valid complaints!!
So stuff your insults somewhere where the sun doesn´t shine and stop posting such a cr@p. You don´t know it better, but we do. And we say: STAY AWAY IF YOU CAN!!!
What is so difficult to understand??? EK was a great airline to work for, and I was more than proud to be a part of it. Now it is just a sad shadow of its former glory and I am ashamed of what is is now. People don´t write here because they don´t have better things to do, no, they write here to warn people like YOU! People who don´t want to listen to very valid complaints!!
So stuff your insults somewhere where the sun doesn´t shine and stop posting such a cr@p. You don´t know it better, but we do. And we say: STAY AWAY IF YOU CAN!!!
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..and if you do accept the job, uproot your family and move to Dubai, Great!! But 6 months from now when you find out that it wasn't just a vocal minority making alot of noise and you want to complain (in your winiest voice) about how bad things are, and how things are getting worse, and the company is being unfair, and the family is unhappy in the 2 bed temp apt blah blah blah...keep your F*&^%$G mouth shut ! I don't care and neither does anyone else who warned you. Welcome aboard!!!
I have been here 10 + years and loved it for the first 4 years but that company is gone replaced by a leaner and much meaner shadow of its former self. I used to be the greatest recruiter for this company but sadly not anymore.
I will repeat what has been said here already. If you have a family,
DO NOT LEAVE A DECENT JOB TO COME HERE!
I have been here 10 + years and loved it for the first 4 years but that company is gone replaced by a leaner and much meaner shadow of its former self. I used to be the greatest recruiter for this company but sadly not anymore.
I will repeat what has been said here already. If you have a family,
DO NOT LEAVE A DECENT JOB TO COME HERE!
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Hello this is Mrs Fatigued who does the accounts for the 'Fatigued Family' for the past 10+ years. Be under no disillusion when my husband moved to the pit we slowly sold our investment properties as we couldn't prop up the mortgage repayments. We couldn't afford proper food, life was substandard vege with mince and chicken. One of our boys has 'boobs' from the hormones in the chicken. The cost of living is a lot more now and with 5 to 6 years to command believe me a family will not survive on an F/O salary.
The utilities cap is off by minimum of $7,000 to $14,000 for a villa.
If you get a new villa you will get a sand pit that needs landscaping more $$$ and watering...
Cost of living has gone up dramatically in the last 10 years if you give up any decent life to move to the pit will have far more reaching costs than just the $$$ each month out of your salary. As said above posts if you are unemployed its a no brainer Emirates is a job, otherwise think carefully.
When the sh** hits the fan the company will not support you. Our family has nearly been ripped apart over the years even though my husband has gone beyond his call of duty.
Wives thinking of relocating be warned if you ever flounder there will always be a kind cabin crew member willing to cater to any of your husband's needs. They do not care if the said pilot is married with kid's. Any cracks in your relationship will be blown wide open with no support for either party from the company. These are not bitter words as some how we came out the other end of the 'Emirates' experience. My father-in-law always reminded me keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. That is what I have done and made sure I know exactly what is going on. It is enough to break your heart, what has happened to some beautiful families in this place.
When family is ill or dying you will have to get back the best way you can if you have already used your annual leave ticket. Which usually means they are happy to drag you to the pit but hard luck getting back home in an emergency.
I have wanted to post for the longest time but thought why bother until I read the earlier post by cosmodrift which is the biggest load of garbage ever.
Our only objective everyday is to one day leave the pit with all of us still alive and a family unit. We will never be rich but we have each other.
The utilities cap is off by minimum of $7,000 to $14,000 for a villa.
If you get a new villa you will get a sand pit that needs landscaping more $$$ and watering...
Cost of living has gone up dramatically in the last 10 years if you give up any decent life to move to the pit will have far more reaching costs than just the $$$ each month out of your salary. As said above posts if you are unemployed its a no brainer Emirates is a job, otherwise think carefully.
When the sh** hits the fan the company will not support you. Our family has nearly been ripped apart over the years even though my husband has gone beyond his call of duty.
Wives thinking of relocating be warned if you ever flounder there will always be a kind cabin crew member willing to cater to any of your husband's needs. They do not care if the said pilot is married with kid's. Any cracks in your relationship will be blown wide open with no support for either party from the company. These are not bitter words as some how we came out the other end of the 'Emirates' experience. My father-in-law always reminded me keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. That is what I have done and made sure I know exactly what is going on. It is enough to break your heart, what has happened to some beautiful families in this place.
When family is ill or dying you will have to get back the best way you can if you have already used your annual leave ticket. Which usually means they are happy to drag you to the pit but hard luck getting back home in an emergency.
I have wanted to post for the longest time but thought why bother until I read the earlier post by cosmodrift which is the biggest load of garbage ever.
Our only objective everyday is to one day leave the pit with all of us still alive and a family unit. We will never be rich but we have each other.
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We couldn't afford proper food, life was substandard vege with mince and chicken.
Don't get me wrong -I agree with most that has been written (except cosmo's drivel) All those who are interested in coming to EK and already have a decent job - stay put.
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Interestingly enough Cosmo, i worked with a nice American DEC the other day and he mentioned reading all the negative posts on PPRUNE prior to gettting hired and thinking...well those guys must be a very unhappy minority and it can't possibly be that bad. 12 months later and he said i wish i had paid more attention to what was written, cause 90% of it's true, and it really can be that bad.
Doesn't take long to figure it out once you are over here. Still better than being unemployed..but only just.
Doesn't take long to figure it out once you are over here. Still better than being unemployed..but only just.
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another scam:
this year's message to all staff:
Chairman's Office
.............While it might seem the fruits of our extraordinary grit and determination, hard work and improved efficiencies will go unrewarded, I would like you to consider this: we have managed to retain everyone, while others are slashing staff numbers; we have dramatically increased travel benefits for you and your extended family; we continue to invest in training and development,.......
how does it come my staff travel ticket to Europe has increased by 35 % ?
this year's message to all staff:
Chairman's Office
.............While it might seem the fruits of our extraordinary grit and determination, hard work and improved efficiencies will go unrewarded, I would like you to consider this: we have managed to retain everyone, while others are slashing staff numbers; we have dramatically increased travel benefits for you and your extended family; we continue to invest in training and development,.......how does it come my staff travel ticket to Europe has increased by 35 % ?
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Yeah, and you noticed how no target for next year announced. They just wanna make sure that its not set too low (indicitave of the current climate) in case things turn around and they have to pay out a lot of cash come next March.
They take the "let see what happens" approach so that if there is an uptick in economic activity...then they set another unrealistic target.
They take the "let see what happens" approach so that if there is an uptick in economic activity...then they set another unrealistic target.
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Brutal around here!
FWIW, I've declined the 777 class in August due to personal reasons.
I have a good friend who's been at EK for the past year. He had some headaches with housing and tells me that management does mislead quite a bit, actually he said flat out lies to ya, but he is not that upset about being at EK. He said he'd go again knowing what he knows now.
I've been in contact with HR a bit and they seem to be awfully nice, at least the person that I am dealing with.
Again, I'm not flying for them so I can't speak from experience, but they do seem to be getting just thrashed right now, not sure that it is all warranted or not.
I have a good friend who's been at EK for the past year. He had some headaches with housing and tells me that management does mislead quite a bit, actually he said flat out lies to ya, but he is not that upset about being at EK. He said he'd go again knowing what he knows now.
I've been in contact with HR a bit and they seem to be awfully nice, at least the person that I am dealing with.
Again, I'm not flying for them so I can't speak from experience, but they do seem to be getting just thrashed right now, not sure that it is all warranted or not.
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I never said EK was flawless. My other posts are there.
The fact is those who are complaining so viciously got tired of their lives here.
They are tired of being expats and not being able to do things they did in the past, back at their former homes.
That’s personal. Nothing to do with Emirates.
I am still happy here because, in spite of recent degradation on T&C and general problems of the city, I can still do things I love.
I can bid for rosters I like and even flying more hours I still can stay a lot with my family.
I feel safe when going out with my family and I am saving money.
I see friends afraid of losing their jobs at Singapore, India and others already unemployed.
After a long time they are finally fixing the housing problems and pilots are moving to their permanent houses.
I feel sorry for this training FO that was fired, but this kind of injustice is not a privilege issue to EK. It became a mark here when in others companies something like that is so recurrent that looks like a policy.
Try to live more of your day. One moment at a time. Realize what’s going on in the world around you and you’ll see how bad things really are out there.
To open fire against who is paying your salary will lead you to nothing, specially if you have no other options.
The fact is those who are complaining so viciously got tired of their lives here.
They are tired of being expats and not being able to do things they did in the past, back at their former homes.
That’s personal. Nothing to do with Emirates.
I am still happy here because, in spite of recent degradation on T&C and general problems of the city, I can still do things I love.
I can bid for rosters I like and even flying more hours I still can stay a lot with my family.
I feel safe when going out with my family and I am saving money.
I see friends afraid of losing their jobs at Singapore, India and others already unemployed.
After a long time they are finally fixing the housing problems and pilots are moving to their permanent houses.
I feel sorry for this training FO that was fired, but this kind of injustice is not a privilege issue to EK. It became a mark here when in others companies something like that is so recurrent that looks like a policy.
Try to live more of your day. One moment at a time. Realize what’s going on in the world around you and you’ll see how bad things really are out there.
To open fire against who is paying your salary will lead you to nothing, specially if you have no other options.
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cosmodrift!!!
I've only just seen this thread. I'm too busy flying to spend time on my computer!
I've never seen morale so low since my time in Emirates. HR have turned into an embarressment to themselves.
The DEWA allowance does not cover a families needs even when really trying hard to economise. With no 3 percent, no payrise, no school fees allowance increase this is now the straw to break the camel's back!
For an FO with family in a villa you WILL NOT save. After setting up your new home here you will steadily find yourself digging forever deeper into your pockets to stay afloat.
It was a great job however it has taken a sharp and distinct dive in terms of financial stability & job satisfaction. However so has much of the world. This is a one way situation that will no doubt not change when the world economy turns.
I would never tell someone to not come however to be fortold is to be forwarned
I've never seen morale so low since my time in Emirates. HR have turned into an embarressment to themselves.
The DEWA allowance does not cover a families needs even when really trying hard to economise. With no 3 percent, no payrise, no school fees allowance increase this is now the straw to break the camel's back!
For an FO with family in a villa you WILL NOT save. After setting up your new home here you will steadily find yourself digging forever deeper into your pockets to stay afloat.
It was a great job however it has taken a sharp and distinct dive in terms of financial stability & job satisfaction. However so has much of the world. This is a one way situation that will no doubt not change when the world economy turns.
I would never tell someone to not come however to be fortold is to be forwarned
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Cosmo,
don´t tell me or others what we are or how we feel. You have no clue! It is not about being tired of being an expat. that is rubbish. I enjoy being an expat and I don´t want to go back home.
This whole tread is about eroding conditions, breaches of contracts and outright lies by EK. We tell EK wannabees what is going on here, how we are treated since about 2 or 3 years. If you are happy, fine! Wait another year or so, and that might change. Just because you are so happy here doesn´t mean that EK has the right to breach contracts. And just because your former job might have been a lot worse than this one now doesn´t mean that this here is great anymore. It could be, but EK chose to alienate most of its pilot (and cabin!) workforce for no apparent reason. That is a fact and it should be known to applicants!
don´t tell me or others what we are or how we feel. You have no clue! It is not about being tired of being an expat. that is rubbish. I enjoy being an expat and I don´t want to go back home.
This whole tread is about eroding conditions, breaches of contracts and outright lies by EK. We tell EK wannabees what is going on here, how we are treated since about 2 or 3 years. If you are happy, fine! Wait another year or so, and that might change. Just because you are so happy here doesn´t mean that EK has the right to breach contracts. And just because your former job might have been a lot worse than this one now doesn´t mean that this here is great anymore. It could be, but EK chose to alienate most of its pilot (and cabin!) workforce for no apparent reason. That is a fact and it should be known to applicants!
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Quick Question
Hi guys,
I'm way too lazy to keep searching and I've spent the last half hour trying...
Both my buddy and I have been offered EK class dates this fall. I've declined mine for now and he is debating the same thing. Can anyone answer a quick question or two?
1) It appears that if you fly approx 90 hours as an FO you'd end up around $7,200 a month. Does that increase every year with longevity or anything?
2) I remember reading something about a pay bump every year but that might have been profit sharing, not sure. Anyone give me a realistic expectation of take home salary every year as an FO and whether or not it changes.
No need to tell me to search, just if anyone has a couple quick answers, great, if not, no big deal.
Thanks!
I'm way too lazy to keep searching and I've spent the last half hour trying...
Both my buddy and I have been offered EK class dates this fall. I've declined mine for now and he is debating the same thing. Can anyone answer a quick question or two?
1) It appears that if you fly approx 90 hours as an FO you'd end up around $7,200 a month. Does that increase every year with longevity or anything?
2) I remember reading something about a pay bump every year but that might have been profit sharing, not sure. Anyone give me a realistic expectation of take home salary every year as an FO and whether or not it changes.
No need to tell me to search, just if anyone has a couple quick answers, great, if not, no big deal.
Thanks!