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I will be very surprised if you get any replies since all the f/o's there are already plunging needles into a tiny voodoo doll with you likeness!!!!
But anyway as I understand it is a pretty straight forwards sim ride. So all the best.
But anyway as I understand it is a pretty straight forwards sim ride. So all the best.
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Yes........ the DEC sim ride is on an A343. You get one fault prior to push, and then one on taxi, then an engine failure at V1 out of Johannesberg. Then shortly after you are starting climb to acceleration height you get another engine failure on the same side. (max weight)
Then the Purser comes up and says there is a drunk pax who was caught fondling a local boy. Then SMNC calls you on ACARS and is wondering about your dual engine failure, just about the time you are struggling with control of the aircraft.
Then your wife calls you on the new EK cell phone system questioning you about this Lebanese chick who called that evening asking for you.
Then the F/O sitting beside you, who happens to be waiting for his command a year after the FOM said he would get it............ gives you a look. And since you are American, you calmy ask........... YA'LL with me now?? To which his furrows his brow and watches you fly into the terrain. The moment before impact (in the sim), you get on the radio and calmly state, in your best Chuck Yeager voice............ K, undershtand..... cleared down 240, roger that !!!
Fortunately since Captain American is evaluating you, he faults the FO and writes him up while commending you on your excellent CRM abilities.
OH wait, sorry, that is the sim ride minus the evaluation, for the average FO here. YOU will get a VFR circuit and an ECAM cabin fan fault. Hope you can handle that one! JUST STATE " ECAM actions, YOU have control." Don't get yourself into a situation where you actually have to show your handling skills. THen again, based on your totally disrespectful and uninformed question, YOU might not want to do much talking in the sim or the interview for that matter.
Then the Purser comes up and says there is a drunk pax who was caught fondling a local boy. Then SMNC calls you on ACARS and is wondering about your dual engine failure, just about the time you are struggling with control of the aircraft.
Then your wife calls you on the new EK cell phone system questioning you about this Lebanese chick who called that evening asking for you.
Then the F/O sitting beside you, who happens to be waiting for his command a year after the FOM said he would get it............ gives you a look. And since you are American, you calmy ask........... YA'LL with me now?? To which his furrows his brow and watches you fly into the terrain. The moment before impact (in the sim), you get on the radio and calmly state, in your best Chuck Yeager voice............ K, undershtand..... cleared down 240, roger that !!!
Fortunately since Captain American is evaluating you, he faults the FO and writes him up while commending you on your excellent CRM abilities.
OH wait, sorry, that is the sim ride minus the evaluation, for the average FO here. YOU will get a VFR circuit and an ECAM cabin fan fault. Hope you can handle that one! JUST STATE " ECAM actions, YOU have control." Don't get yourself into a situation where you actually have to show your handling skills. THen again, based on your totally disrespectful and uninformed question, YOU might not want to do much talking in the sim or the interview for that matter.
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I can't believe it. 
The guys in Fleet did it again and screwed up the crewing/upgrades once more?
I wonder what they do the whole day up there. No doubt : Another masterpiece of modern Indian planning.
I feel really sorry for the guys being shafted... once more.
I start wondering what would have happened if the fatty Bus would have been delivered on time......
First Officers considering applying : you have been warned.
again.
The guys in Fleet did it again and screwed up the crewing/upgrades once more? I wonder what they do the whole day up there. No doubt : Another masterpiece of modern Indian planning.
I feel really sorry for the guys being shafted... once more.
I start wondering what would have happened if the fatty Bus would have been delivered on time......
First Officers considering applying : you have been warned.
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It would be a fairly basic scenario. They are looking for good crm and some decent RT wouldn't hurt either....
The DEC is a volitile subject ( obviously ), but the boys from the States would understand why que jumping and out of seniority movement is such a toxic subject.
In the end, it is the ek system
The DEC is a volitile subject ( obviously ), but the boys from the States would understand why que jumping and out of seniority movement is such a toxic subject.
In the end, it is the ek system
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Ah "mensaboy?" did the nice gentleman asking a simple question touch a nerve?
For peps like me not in Mensa, the DEC thing on the face is tough on FOs already here, however, EK is a business not a charity organisation. To wit there is a little thing called insurance. The premiums for a wide body with a recently upgraded Capt crewed with a brand new on type FO are truly astronomical.
SIA have been doing the same thing for years (20+) trying to up the experience levels overall to keep the premiums down. Yes I know a fair number of FOs have had previous commands, but any promise from any manager is like a tampon...............always has strings attached.
Secondly training costs double if you upgrade all your fos and then train new ones.
Without meaning to sound trite, where in the FOM does it say life is fair, it's not, never has been, never will be.
That being the case you can let life's injustices eat you up or file them in the life experience file and move on.............and yes I have also been screwed in aviation more than once but the sun still comes up the next day.
Seriously "Mensa" good luck when your upgrade when it comes.
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For peps like me not in Mensa, the DEC thing on the face is tough on FOs already here, however, EK is a business not a charity organisation. To wit there is a little thing called insurance. The premiums for a wide body with a recently upgraded Capt crewed with a brand new on type FO are truly astronomical.
SIA have been doing the same thing for years (20+) trying to up the experience levels overall to keep the premiums down. Yes I know a fair number of FOs have had previous commands, but any promise from any manager is like a tampon...............always has strings attached.
Secondly training costs double if you upgrade all your fos and then train new ones.
Without meaning to sound trite, where in the FOM does it say life is fair, it's not, never has been, never will be.
That being the case you can let life's injustices eat you up or file them in the life experience file and move on.............and yes I have also been screwed in aviation more than once but the sun still comes up the next day.
Seriously "Mensa" good luck when your upgrade when it comes.
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The premiums for a wide body with a recently upgraded Capt crewed with a brand new on type FO are truly astronomical.
Quick question: just how many Pprune identities do you have?
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I'm afraid this is one of things of our industry that gets me going.
Would a Senior Hospital Consultant that has to move house for family reaons or whatever be expected to start at his new Hospital as a junior House Dr.?
To all the EK F/O's waiting for their commands - most of you will one day be a Capt but are you going to stay in EK until you reach retirement age. Maybe some will but it seems like a long time doesn't it so my guess is many of you won't.
After 5 or 10 years or more LHS on your 777 or 340 or whatever else turns up, will you be marketing yourself as a F/O when you want to leave?
I think not...............!
So get over this DEC thing - everyone in the LHS has been through what you are going through somewhere in their career.
Would a Senior Hospital Consultant that has to move house for family reaons or whatever be expected to start at his new Hospital as a junior House Dr.?
To all the EK F/O's waiting for their commands - most of you will one day be a Capt but are you going to stay in EK until you reach retirement age. Maybe some will but it seems like a long time doesn't it so my guess is many of you won't.
After 5 or 10 years or more LHS on your 777 or 340 or whatever else turns up, will you be marketing yourself as a F/O when you want to leave?
I think not...............!
So get over this DEC thing - everyone in the LHS has been through what you are going through somewhere in their career.
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Listen, I don't hold it personally against DEC's who come here with a decent attitude. Clearly 767Jock has no clue how SHE is disenfranchising (latest US garble word) the FO's here.
She pissed people off because she comes across as one of those potential DEC's who have benefited from strick union seniority rules and now feels it is acceptable to come to an airline that should never have started a DEC policy in the first place.
Would it be so difficult to start off by saying.... ''Hey my apologies to those whose upgrades are being delayed by this insane policy....... but if they don't hire me, they will hire someone else. Any info avail. on the sims? Much appreciated.'' Tact works a great deal better than arrogance.
DEC based in Chicago flying 767's, female.
Potential F/O's, you have been warned. ~1000 F/O's here now, ~double the fleet in 6 years? ~ 30 DEC's a year Do the math ! Seems to me that in the long run, upgrade timeframes are going to vastly increase.
Then again, F/O's hired in the last 3 years should have known the consequences of the policy so I will stop defending them and stop bitching about what I believe to be the stupidest policy this company has ever instituted.
Bring on the DEC's, I really don't care anymore.
She pissed people off because she comes across as one of those potential DEC's who have benefited from strick union seniority rules and now feels it is acceptable to come to an airline that should never have started a DEC policy in the first place.
Would it be so difficult to start off by saying.... ''Hey my apologies to those whose upgrades are being delayed by this insane policy....... but if they don't hire me, they will hire someone else. Any info avail. on the sims? Much appreciated.'' Tact works a great deal better than arrogance.
DEC based in Chicago flying 767's, female.
Potential F/O's, you have been warned. ~1000 F/O's here now, ~double the fleet in 6 years? ~ 30 DEC's a year Do the math ! Seems to me that in the long run, upgrade timeframes are going to vastly increase.
Then again, F/O's hired in the last 3 years should have known the consequences of the policy so I will stop defending them and stop bitching about what I believe to be the stupidest policy this company has ever instituted.
Bring on the DEC's, I really don't care anymore.
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Some seem not to realise that some FOs over here are in their mid 40s and have +10K hours and +10Y command and take the pain in the RHS knowingly that they will get their command back eventually. Poor guys.
Anyway for new joiners... If you get an EK contract and you are sheduled to start on the Bus: Things don't look good for you...
I would start exercising those back mussels and getting ready to bend over ALL THE TIME.
Anyway you will have other issues on your mind after you join... You'll be glad your family survives the accommodation mess over here.
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MENSABOY. I'm wondering what your back ground is? Were you a part of a failing company? Have you been a widebody Captain, LCA, TRE for the last 13 years? How about the American furlough pilot at EK that has had his upgrade delayed by the company. How about the UAE captain that had an unstabilized approaches 2 times and they said, "Don't do that my friend"? Also, KAL, Jet Airways is hiring DEC. Seems like the way it is in the ME and Far East. Im not saying its right but, it's the way it is. Your right I changed my mind, thank you. I am now going to apply for a regional jet copilot job with a 2000 wonder captain for $600 a month.
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That is the best you can do 767Jock. You have to be kidding. I somewhat felt bad after slamming you based on your insensitive and ill-informed post but now I am thinking I hit the nail on the head.
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''How about the American furlough pilot that has had his upgrade delayed by the company. ''
My god girl.......... do you not see the irony in your statement? Seriously, you might want to go back and delete that portion of your post. Honestly, ''how about the American furlough pilot that (which should in fact be.. WHO) has had his upgrade delayed by the company. WOW !!!
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How about the UAE captain that had an unstabilized approaches 2 times and they said, "Don't do that my friend"?
What are you talking about? Thanks for showing your ignorance, please keep posting. The one and only Captain who did 2 unstabilized approaches on the same day(as I recall about 5 years ago) GOT FIRED !!! In fact, he wasn't even flying if memory serves me correctly. His fault lay in not ''covering his ass with an ASR''. So what exactly is your point? Let me guess.......... WE NEED THE EXPERIENCE OF FLYING GENIUSES LIKE YOU to avoid further incident, hahaha.
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''Also, KAL, Jet Airways is hiring but, with your attitude good luck getting hired. Mr. Professional.''
Are you from some other planet? What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that EK DEC's are in the same realm of requirement as KAL DEC's ???
It is so funny reading posts from idiots with a smidge of information, who can't be bothered to delve into issues more. Then again based on your anemic response, I know that I lucked out in my assessment of you.
I truly was feeling a bit sheepish for slamming you, I mean really, your first post was one sentence. Now I am relieved that I was correct.
I think we have a possible candidate for Ms Captain America. Stunned, in her own world, knowing little of consequence and only thinking of herself. Congrats you 13 year LCA, TRE, Captain. Clearly we should be thankful to have the likes of you to save us from ourselves !! Nice attitude.
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''How about the American furlough pilot that has had his upgrade delayed by the company. ''
My god girl.......... do you not see the irony in your statement? Seriously, you might want to go back and delete that portion of your post. Honestly, ''how about the American furlough pilot that (which should in fact be.. WHO) has had his upgrade delayed by the company. WOW !!!
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How about the UAE captain that had an unstabilized approaches 2 times and they said, "Don't do that my friend"?
What are you talking about? Thanks for showing your ignorance, please keep posting. The one and only Captain who did 2 unstabilized approaches on the same day(as I recall about 5 years ago) GOT FIRED !!! In fact, he wasn't even flying if memory serves me correctly. His fault lay in not ''covering his ass with an ASR''. So what exactly is your point? Let me guess.......... WE NEED THE EXPERIENCE OF FLYING GENIUSES LIKE YOU to avoid further incident, hahaha.
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''Also, KAL, Jet Airways is hiring but, with your attitude good luck getting hired. Mr. Professional.''
Are you from some other planet? What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that EK DEC's are in the same realm of requirement as KAL DEC's ???
It is so funny reading posts from idiots with a smidge of information, who can't be bothered to delve into issues more. Then again based on your anemic response, I know that I lucked out in my assessment of you.
I truly was feeling a bit sheepish for slamming you, I mean really, your first post was one sentence. Now I am relieved that I was correct.
I think we have a possible candidate for Ms Captain America. Stunned, in her own world, knowing little of consequence and only thinking of herself. Congrats you 13 year LCA, TRE, Captain. Clearly we should be thankful to have the likes of you to save us from ourselves !! Nice attitude.
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Soon , very soon, Ek will have more US pilots than any other group. It will be very interesting to see how things change within the whole company. All we can get now are RJ pilots. If we are lucky 372 guys
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Sounds like 767jock is another of United's crack aviators. It is a very real possibility that the only reason she got hired there in the first place was because she had low time and was female. Although Chicago and the 767 she could be at American. Affirmative action at it's best!
You got alot of balls lady to tell an EK pilot how it is at Emirates. You don't know squat!
And while you are at the accusation stage, do not forget the Delta DEC that was demoted to the right seat (actually he was fired but then reinstated as an F/O) for the unstabilized approach into Nice. And do not forget the NW DEC that came so close to being EK's first accident in Damascus due to an unstabilized approach. He is now a F/O as well.
My point is you are making a huge mistake by coming here as a DEC with attitude. You will never make it through training. You have also put a target on your back by being so vocal with that same attitude. Don't forget that there are many pilots in the training department here that had upgrades delayed by the DEC program. If they have read this thread they will be waiting for you with baited breath. And you will not be too hard to pick out of the crowd.
As an american I am telling you. You need to loose the American "bluster". It won't fly in the desert. If you want to fly for Ek then by all means do. I came as a F/O being just as qualified and experienced as you. You should do the same.
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You got alot of balls lady to tell an EK pilot how it is at Emirates. You don't know squat!
And while you are at the accusation stage, do not forget the Delta DEC that was demoted to the right seat (actually he was fired but then reinstated as an F/O) for the unstabilized approach into Nice. And do not forget the NW DEC that came so close to being EK's first accident in Damascus due to an unstabilized approach. He is now a F/O as well.
My point is you are making a huge mistake by coming here as a DEC with attitude. You will never make it through training. You have also put a target on your back by being so vocal with that same attitude. Don't forget that there are many pilots in the training department here that had upgrades delayed by the DEC program. If they have read this thread they will be waiting for you with baited breath. And you will not be too hard to pick out of the crowd.
As an american I am telling you. You need to loose the American "bluster". It won't fly in the desert. If you want to fly for Ek then by all means do. I came as a F/O being just as qualified and experienced as you. You should do the same.
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Pick a Nationality.....
Pick a nationality.....north, south, east or west or even ground zero. Emirates has lost them all over the years. Doesn't matter where you're from, just matters what you do!